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Oct 5 - Putin and the prince: fears in west as Russia and Saudi Arabia deepen ties
 

 
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They both started wars in neighbouring countries, hold significant sway over energy markets, are known to brook no dissent and to covet spots in history. Russia’s embattled president, Vladimir Putin, and Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler, Mohammed bin Salman, seem to have a lot in common.

Nearly eight months into Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, relations between Riyadh and Moscow are at a high point. As much of Europe, the US and the UK double down on attempts to combat an ever more menacing Russian leader, Prince Mohammed has instead chosen to deepen ties.


An Opec+ meeting in Vienna on Wednesday is the latest landmark in a growing relationship that is increasingly defying the demands of Riyadh’s allies and appearing to give Putin comfort at a critical juncture in the war. Both countries are likely to seek to raise oil prices by cutting global supply by 1-2m barrels a day.

Such a move would follow widespread disruption to gas supplies to Europe caused by the war and predictions of a worsening energy security crisis as the northern winter approaches. It would also alienate Washington, an ally that has tried to recruit Riyadh to the cause of decreasing supply pressures by opening valves to its enormous reservoirs.

Instead, Joe Biden finds himself staring down a partner in the Middle East whom he had personally visited during the summer as the extent of the supply crisis became apparent. Biden walked away empty-handed and, as a result, faces the uncomfortable prospect of taking high bowser prices to midterm elections. Perhaps more importantly for the US president, a rise in oil prices could be seen as helping fund Putin’s war effort.


“Previous Saudi administrations would have been much more sensitive to the US’s feelings and to messaging, even though they would likely do the same thing,” said Robin Mills, the chief executive of Qamar Energy. “Saudi has pretty much always done what it wanted in oil regardless of favours to the US but it usually sugar-coated it. Not this time.”


Another sign of a deepening bond between Moscow and Riyadh emerged last month when, in a rare moment of global diplomacy, Saudi diplomats secured the release of international prisoners, including five Britons, captured during f*ghting inside Ukraine. The optics were stark, and appeared sanctioned by Putin to give Riyadh a moment on a world stage; here were Saudi diplomats a long way from home brokering a deal that had nothing obvious to do with the Middle East.

“This was a gift from Putin to MBS,” said a British official familiar with the political dynamics. “Putin wanted it to happen, and he wanted it to seem as though the Saudis had achieved this through diplomacy.”

After four years of global fallout from the a*sassination of the Saudi dissident and journalist Jamal Khashoggi by Prince Mohammed’s security aides in Istanbul, the heir to the Saudi throne is in the midst of a global comeback. His attempts to position the kingdom as a regional power and global mover are among the 37-year-old’s core goals. Saudi officials have not condemned Putin’s invasion, and nor has Moscow weighed into Saudi Arabia’s invasion of Yemen over the past five years – a war that has left its eastern neighbour impoverished and in ongoing need of significant aid.

NGOs warned this week that the non-renewal of a ceasefire in Yemen would exacerbate the suffering of millions. Widespread destruction and humanitarian suffering in Ukraine, meanwhile, have not been a focus of Saudi discourse. Prince Mohammed seems unperturbed by Putin’s recommitment to blood and soil nationalism and a bid to reclaim the lost glories of the Soviet Union. There have, in fact, been frequent signs that he would like to emulate the veteran Russian tyrant, with a blood and oil nationalism of his own.

In 2016, when Prince Mohammed was still deputy defence minister, the then 30-year-old summoned British diplomats, among them senior MI6 officers, to Riyadh. The sole purpose of the meeting was to seek the UK’s advice on how to deal with Putin.

“He was fascinated by him,” one of the Britons told the Observer several years later. “He seemed to admire him. He liked what he did.”

In the years since, Prince Mohammed has come to emulate the man he studied. His crackdown on dissent has strong echoes of the Russian leader and so does the nascent emergence of a Saudi police state – built on Arab nationalist foundations and secured by controlling dissenters, co-opting oligarchs and consolidating a power base.


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 2 months ago '20        #2
Xiox  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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Saudi Arabia might need some democracy soon
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 2 months ago '22        #3
Jason Weaver 
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Yours Truly

America
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 2 months ago '17        #4
Ymmot  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x5
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But the trump cult idiots told me Russia was our friend...
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 2 months ago '04        #5
xbossxplayax 
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if bin salman wants his pyramid (neom, oxagon, etc.), he gon need the u.s.a's blessings not russia's

...thats what the u.s.a. thinks and the newly appointed leader that has something to prove would say "...challenge accepted"
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 2 months ago '13        #6
Xavi619 
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Saudis will always be lock in step with America
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 2 months ago '05        #7
bobbysteels18  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x37
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Remember when they crashed the oil market, I support them type of wars hope they do it again.

 2 months ago '19        #8
squadwhats 
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I mean all this would be easy if the congress did its job and passed legislation to make the US fully green in like a decade


But that sure ain’t happening lol
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 2 months ago '14        #9
Swade009  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x7
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 Xavi619 said
Saudis will always be lock in step with America
Biden tried to put in the oil cap before elections this is all fault.
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 2 months ago '17        #10
DavidTheMan  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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MbS gonna fu*k around and get replaced playing away games.
The only reason they even have a oil field against Iran is because the US aided them against the Iranian drones the Houthis in Yemen were supplied with.

That said MbS moving like he knows his days might be numbered with Israel and the US and trying to pull a Erodgen
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 2 months ago '18        #11
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��������. Iranian drones are becoming very dangerous for Ukraine.

Ukrainian Ambassador to the UK Vadym Prystaiko told Sky News.

According to him, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to "find an antidote" against this type of Russian weapon.
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 2 months ago '18        #12
iTrap  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x4
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��������. Saudi Aramco increased oil prices for November for the US and lowered for Europe - Bloomberg







 2 months ago '15        #13
Jad95 
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If we can just hold out and avoid nuclear war for another 6 months, we might be good. Russian civil war picking up steam:


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 2 months ago '06        #14
philly337  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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bomb them and take their oil. Tired of being politically correct when every super power in history would have already have benn rulin nation with slavery if they had our power/ability

Add the fact people put that perception on us anyway , these dudes had a huge hand in 9/11 and now trying to move against us

Yea ok...

We can be the big bad bully pillager pretend we are


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 2 months ago '09        #15
GREAT1NE  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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We didn’t seem to have a problem with the Saudi war with neighboring country… we basically funded it
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 2 months ago '17        #16
DavidTheMan  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 philly337 said
bomb them and take their oil. Tired of being politically correct when every super power in history would have already have benn rulin nation with slavery if they had our power/ability

Add the fact people put that perception on us anyway , these dudes had a huge hand in 9/11 and now trying to move against us

Yea ok...

We can be the big bad bully pillager pretend we are
We have no capacity to wage war on anyone with a pulse.
We have exhausted our weapon storage with the Ukraine non-sense, it will take years to rebuild our arsenal of missles.
We have low ammo production capabilities.
We have had to ground the F-35s because of sourcing materials from china that may be phoning home to china.

US military is a paper tiger, only good for attacking poor nations, with a purged manning consisting of rejects and politicians.

You might want to start reading what is going on with the US's defense logistics.
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 2 months ago '06        #17
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 DavidTheMan said
We have no capacity to wage war on anyone with a pulse.
We have exhausted our weapon storage with the Ukraine non-sense, it will take years to rebuild our arsenal of missles.
We have low ammo production capabilities.

We have had to ground the F-35s because of sourcing materials from china that may be phoning home to china.

US military is a paper tiger, only good for attacking poor nations, with a purged manning consisting of rejects and politicians.

You might want to start reading what is going on with the US's defense logistics.
Man you believe that dumb sh*t if you want smh I guarantee you that if we went to war tomorrow with whoever we would still have the capabilities to not only be effective but win as well.

We would NEVER deplete our own weapons storage and set ourselves back to save another country. If anything the fact the we sending so much should be a warning to other people that we have the storage to help out.
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Top 10 most slapped recently  2 months ago '22        #18
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 squadwhats said
I mean all this would be easy if the congress did its job and passed legislation to make the US fully green in like a decade


But that sure ain’t happening lol
Damn you made it sound so easy

Top 10 most slapped recently  2 months ago '22        #19
Booda Sack  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x5
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 BigRed912 said
Man you believe that dumb sh*t if you want smh I guarantee you that if we went to war tomorrow with whoever we would still have the capabilities to not only be effective but win as well.

We would NEVER deplete our own weapons storage and set ourselves back to save another country. If anything the fact the we sending so much should be a warning to other people that we have the storage to help out.
You’re saying this like Biden didn’t deplete our oil reserves which are for a time of war just to lower gas for an election

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 DavidTheMan said
MbS gonna fu*k around and get replaced playing away games.
The only reason they even have a oil field against Iran is because the US aided them against the Iranian drones the Houthis in Yemen were supplied with.

That said MbS moving like he knows his days might be numbered with Israel and the US and trying to pull a Erodgen
And they can fu*k us by removing the USD from its oil
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 2 months ago '17        #21
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 BigRed912 said
Man you believe that dumb sh*t if you want smh I guarantee you that if we went to war tomorrow with whoever we would still have the capabilities to not only be effective but win as well.

We would NEVER deplete our own weapons storage and set ourselves back to save another country. If anything the fact the we sending so much should be a warning to other people that we have the storage to help out.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/push-to-arm-ukraine-may-put-strain-on-u-s-weapons-stockpile

https://lieber.westpoint.edu/defense-production-act-assessing-ukraine-arms-shortage/

https://news.usni.org/2022/04/27/u-s-missiles-sent-to-ukraine-arent-easily-replaced-panel-tells-senate

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/22/pentagon-scrambles-to-replenish-weapons-stocks-sent-to-ukraine-00019333

Time to grow up and start esucating yourself on us procurement and dod logistics.

US DoD logistics for weapon manufacturing was destroyed by just in time logistics of commercial logistics and now we are in trouble.
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 2 months ago '04        #22
Viper504 
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 Ymmot said
But the trump cult idiots told me Russia was our friend...
Trump kept Putin in his place , now we have a idiot president so Putin does what he wants ,
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 2 months ago '05        #23
ice wolf  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x17
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Saudi just plays both sides. They invest heavily in America. They’re not trying to fvck up the U.S any longer, but they want a hedge with respect to the global power hierarchy, meaning that in case China and Russia take over, the Saudis wanna establish themselves as their homies too.

It’s in their religion to not respect infidels, so you can never expect too much loyalty from them. It’s just business.
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 2 months ago '19        #24
Unfadeable07 
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 philly337 said
bomb them and take their oil. Tired of being politically correct when every super power in history would have already have benn rulin nation with slavery if they had our power/ability

Add the fact people put that perception on us anyway , these dudes had a huge hand in 9/11 and now trying to move against us

Yea ok...

We can be the big bad bully pillager pretend we are
Can only do that for so long until everybody really go out there way to team up and knock you off

It only works if everybody not fu*kin wit everybody minding they own business


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 2 months ago '17        #25
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 DavidTheMan said
We have no capacity to wage war on anyone with a pulse.
We have exhausted our weapon storage with the Ukraine non-sense, it will take years to rebuild our arsenal of missles.
We have low ammo production capabilities.
We have had to ground the F-35s because of sourcing materials from china that may be phoning home to china.

US military is a paper tiger, only good for attacking poor nations, with a purged manning consisting of rejects and politicians.

You might want to start reading what is going on with the US's defense logistics.
I wanna know what y’all do for a living with takes like these

First post I read today is so dumb it makes me want to log off
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