So I'm sitting on the deck drinking some Dusse and blazing some Sativa watching the Davis v Rolly weigh-in and thinking yo who I got from 130 - 154 as the man alltime. Here is where im at with it....


135 - This is tough Duran jumps out at me quickly, but Pernell and Floyd styles at that weight probably the only to beat this dude. Id have to go arguably with Duran @135. This sh*t sound cliche for 135 but damn I cannot take anything away from this guy...

140 - Floyd Mayweather probably unbeatable at this weight, but he doesn't outclass Pernell.....

147 - Leonard is the guy at 147, but not by a wide margin at all.... Robinson is right there. I might be a bit biased by the Hype growing up, but Leonard was wit the sh*ts at 147...

154 - Hagler owns this, but damn he let a natural 135/140lb guy Duran take him the distance.

Id love to see:

Leonard v Mayweather @147
Duran v Mayweather @135

Those f*ghts would be epic Jawnz.....

Good list.

Chavez vs Duran at 135 would have been a banger.

Tlatoani said Good list. Chavez vs Duran at 135 would have been a banger.

Stretcher f*ght, someone leaving on that. CTE written allover that f*ght....

Lightweight - Duran

Jr. Welterweight - Aaron Pryor

Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Mayweather

Jr. Middleweight - Mayweather, Tommy Hearns, and Mike McCallum

Hagler was a middleweight

It's hard for me to just choose one

iDisrespectHoez said Lightweight - Duran Jr. Welterweight - Aaron Pryor Welterweight - Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Mayweather Jr. Middleweight - Mayweather, Tommy Hearns, and Mike McCallum Hagler was a middleweight It's hard for me to just choose one

Pryor at 140 interesting....Your right about Hagler, I wanted to go 160 with him, but I still cannot think of anyone at 154 since he could drain without a problem and k*ll the smaller guys...

Errol Spence

Not going to get all into this but am I the only one who feels prime Floyd was 135?

olook up said Errol Spence

Hopefully we will see, at this time, I don't think he would beat a prime Paul Williams or even Vernon Forrest. I'm not being disrespectful or a hatin a*s old head, just need to see him completely separate from Crawford and vice versa..

Tha TC said Not going to get all into this but am I the only one who feels prime Floyd was 135?

I was thinking that when I saw the op Duran/Mayweather dream f*ght. 135 and below was when he was throwing his hands go more often.

iDisrespectHoez said I was thinking that when I saw the op Duran/Mayweather dream f*ght. 135 and below was when he was throwing his hands go more often.

Yea you both dead on, he didn't hurt his hands at that time. I'm just thinking at 140 he finally mastered everything. He couldn't drop that straight right hand and hook to finish regularly, but his defense got waaaay better at 140... He stopped getting hit at 140+

Floyd and Pernell were similar in some ways. But Pernell wasnt quite as disciplined, he made mistakes sometimes by being off balance and by being too "cute" as the commentators used to describe it

Floyd made less mistakes then any other boxer i have ever seen. And he trained hard for every f*ght, he didnt cheat the sport

No disrespect to Pernell, him and Floyd are two of my top 5 favs but Floyd was better

Jimmy Serrano said Floyd and Pernell were similar in some ways. But Pernell wasnt quite as disciplined, he made mistakes sometimes by being off balance and by being too "cute" as the commentators used to describe it Floyd made less mistakes then any other boxer i have ever seen. And he trained hard for every f*ght, he didnt cheat the sport No disrespect to Pernell, him and Floyd are two of my top 5 favs but Floyd was better

You think Floyd seals the deal with prime Trinidad or De La Hoya without the robbery?

Boxden never fail... Got me rethinking my list watching Pryor v Arguello I .... #onelove

Digital said You think Floyd seals the deal with prime Trinidad or De La Hoya without the robbery?

In my opinion yes. De La Hoya vs Pernell was extremely close and Pernell had Oscar looking dumb at times swinging at air. I also think Pernell was a little past his prime in 97

De La Hoya was also in close f*ghts with Mosley. I considered Mosley to be an elite athlete with good boxing skills but never in Floyds class in my opinion. Floyd was an elite athlete and had elite skills

Trinidad was very good but not great. BHop noticed that Felix had to set his feet to throw a punch and took advantage of that. While Hopkins was a lot bigger, with that f*ght being at middleweight, he also had a significant boxing iq advantage and i think Floyd was an even smarter boxer then Hopkins was. He would have had Felix missing and getting countered all might

135- Duran
140- Aaron Pryor
147- Floyd
154- Terry Norris

Btw Hagler fought at 160 his entire career, never fought at 154

Man we missed out on Pryor Vs Leonard. Drugs and Leonard running from Hawk time.

Duran Lightweight

Pryor Light welterweight

Sugar Ray Robinson

135- whitaker
140- mayweather
147-leonard
154- hearns

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135 Duran. (most impressive run ever at the weight and moved up 2 weight classes and beat the 147 champ in his prime)

140 Kostya Tszu/Pryor/Chavez/Whitaker. (No real strong hold here. It depends on your biases)

147 Sugar Ray Robinson. (Resume speaks for himself)

154 Tommy Hearns. (Hard to beat at this weight)

160 Monzon. ( Hard to beat at this weight. The argument against Hagler was he fought small f*ghters who came up in weight. Hagler should've been a 154lb f*ghter and I would take Monzon to whoop him at 160)

Jimmy Serrano said In my opinion yes. De La Hoya vs Pernell was extremely close and Pernell had Oscar looking dumb at times swinging at air. I also think Pernell was a little past his prime in 97 De La Hoya was also in close f*ghts with Mosley. I considered Mosley to be an elite athlete with good boxing skills but never in Floyds class in my opinion. Floyd was an elite athlete and had elite skills Trinidad was very good but not great. BHop noticed that Felix had to set his feet to throw a punch and took advantage of that. While Hopkins was a lot bigger, with that f*ght being at middleweight, he also had a significant boxing iq advantage and i think Floyd was an even smarter boxer then Hopkins was. He would have had Felix missing and getting countered all might

Making someone swing and miss, but you don't hit him back is not effective.

Oscar is a weirdo, but he won that f*ght. You gotta remember that making someone miss, but you don't hit him back in the process counts as zero.

In fact if you f*ght someone and you're constantly throwing and the offense makes it where the other dude can't punch you back, and you're cutting off the ring on him. You're likely winning even if he's moving around evading you.

It's prize f*ghting.

135- Duran...ferocious and he could "box" ask Leonard and Hagler...wasn't just some brawler...idk if Floyd/Sweet Pea could handle that for 15 rounds...

140- Aaron Pryor...Floyd didn't stay at 140 for that long so can't rank him very high here. Same as Whitaker...Pryor's work rate would definitely give them fits. I do recall an old Floyd interview where he said if he could f*ght anyone from the past it would be Pryor. Thought that was interesting.

147- I'm going with Ray Charles Leonard because I didn't see Robinson. Lot of Robinson's 147 career isn't on film if I remember correctly. Floyd certainly could beat Leonard but idk if his workrate would be high enough to win on points...he could give Ray a lotta trouble for sure though. But Leonard would be just as fast and could punch. But most boxing historians will go with the original Sugar.

154 -Hitman Hearns

160- Marvelous...didn't see Monzon. Fan of Bernard Hopkins but during his reign the Middleweights weren't very good. Not his fault but it is what it is. Best wins at 160 are blown up welterweights. Bernard could present problems for Hagler but could also see Marvin wearing him down, and if not at least being busier. I like BHop's toughness, dirtiness, and defensive game but he sure could make some f*ghts ugly and boring at times lol.

Floyd over everyone at 130 - 147, except SRR
Duran is the man also though
160 - 168 Hagler and Roy Jones Jr

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Tha TC said Not going to get all into this but am I the only one who feels prime Floyd was 135?

I always thoughts Floyd was perfect at 140. Still quick and strong at the weight.

Big fan of Marlon Starling at 147.