who's the better producer?

im a fresh fan as well but i think ima have to give it to kon. he didnt do it by himself but was a major player in bringing sampling back into the mainstream after the Swizz Beatz era.

i heard that baby cd and mannie got mad skills...

until kanye can hold a whole record label down for more than 8 years mannie has it

tildadeathofme said until kanye can hold a whole record label down for more than 8 years mannie has it

Change that to 12 years, because Mannie has been holding the fort down since the days of Black Connection 226

Edit: Mannie Fresh gets my vote because he is one of the most musically inclined producers in the game. Kanye is good, but the day he does his own drum pattern and hithats and create his own songs, then I may rethink my vote, but until then it goes to Fre-Fre-Fresh

I go with fresh

ain't no one votin'...lol...

Girl that's Juvenile, you don't know he on fire/17'' Momos, black magic on his tires

That is one of the best beats done in the last 10 years.

why is this even a battle, kayne got it hands down, and people talkin' like kayne aint gone hold the roc down for 12 yrs, this is wack, im very disappointed at the bx family

Fre-fre-fre-fresh

yea that dude has real talent just checkin' to see what yall think...

i gotta go with kanye on this one

Kanye fo'sho he been producin classic albums like blueprint , mannie is good but kanye has this one.

kayne aint gone hold the roc down for 12 yrs, this is wack, im very disappointed at the bx family

Hmmm. I thought he spent some of that time producing for Bad Boy???

Kanye will win, why because Mannie's from the South and we can't do anything better than anyone who reps with New York.

tazbanks28 said Hmmm. I thought he spent some of that time producing for Bad Boy??? Kanye will win, why because Mannie's from the South and we can't do anything better than anyone who reps with New York.

:rolleyes: i see i said...

from personal preference Mannie Fresh , but Kanye is tight as hell dont get me wrong

tazbanks28 said Hmmm. I thought he spent some of that time producing for Bad Boy??? Kanye will win, why because Mannie's from the South and we can't do anything better than anyone who reps with New York.

That's true, I don't know what's up with all of this Southern hatred. Mannie Fresh, Timbaland and Swizz Beats are all better than Kanye. Mannie is a pro in uses a lot of instrumental sounds in his beats and making it sound more musical. Timbaland is really bass heavy and a master at making good piano riffs to go on top of his bass beats. Swizzie's style is so electic and that's the beauty of it, he can you give melodies, bass, whatever you need he has it. Kanye knows how to use other people's drum kits, cough x*xplosive cough, and add it to his sped up samples.

mannie is fresh on the beats...just listen to the carter...

To take it to History 102: Western Civilization those producers have counterparts in the Scientific Revolution of the Middle Ages. Mannie Fresh would most likely be akin to Copernicus. Copernicus stated that the universe was centered around the sun. Timbaland can be Johannes Kepler. Kepler countered Copernicus claim that the planets did not have a circular orbit but rather a elliptical. Swizzie will be Galileo. Galileo was the first to use a telescope to look at the other planets and noticed that they were made up of different substances.

Now Kanye's place in history will have to be arguably the most famous, Issac Newton. Newton, the quintessential c*ckblocker, put the findings of Galileo, Kepler and Copernicus all together in his major work, Principia. Using all of the other men's findings, Kanye, er, I mean Newton stated the mathematics behind the universal law of gravity.

So the history lesson makes it clear that Kanye, just like Newton, steals the ideas and beats of others, and then pieces them together and claims the newly puttogether universal law/beat for himself. Kanye is a biter, just like Sir Issac Newton.

bigdut1213 said To take it to History 102: Western Civilization those producers have counterparts in the Scientific Revolution of the Middle Ages. Mannie Fresh would most likely be akin to Copernicus. Copernicus stated that the universe was centered around the sun. Timbaland can be Johannes Kepler. Kepler countered Copernicus claim that the planets did not have a circular orbit but rather a elliptical. Swizzie will be Galileo. Galileo was the first to use a telescope to look at the other planets and noticed that they were made up of different substances. Now Kanye's place in history will have to be arguably the most famous, Issac Newton. Newton, the quintessential c*ckblocker, put the findings of Galileo, Kepler and Copernicus all together in his major work, Principia. Using all of the other men's findings, Kanye, er, I mean Newton stated the mathematics behind the universal law of gravity. So the history lesson makes it clear that Kanye, just like Newton, steals the ideas and beats of others, and then pieces them together and claims the newly puttogether universal law/beat for himself. Kanye is a biter, just like Sir Issac Newton.

who's Aristotle? who's Ptolemy... and didn't the pope lock one of them up for a book he wrote condemnin' the pope...? :thefu*k:

Redd PoPabi*ch said who's Aristotle? who's Ptolemy... and didn't the pope lock one of them up for a book he wrote condemnin' the pope...? :thefu*k:

Aristole and Ptolemy didn't come along until a few years after the Scientific Rev. first started. The Pope didn't lock anyone up, but he punked Galileo into not publishing his findings about the planets because he didn't want the "evil" science to interfere with his throng he held over the people of Europe. This science would start making the peasants question authority and that was a big "no no" :thumbsdow

bigdut1213 said Aristole and Ptolemy didn't come along until a few years after the Scientific Rev. first started. The Pope didn't lock anyone up, but he punked Galileo into not publishing his findings about the planets because he didn't want the "evil" science to interfere with his throng he held over the people of Europe. This science would start making the peasants question authority and that was a big "no no" :thumbsdow

yea it was galileo...i got selective memory...but great picture paint...

mannie fresh is better, he is also the better rapper

boxden= kanye d!ckriders


mannie=real hip hop

mannie fresh best producer period