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 1 month ago '07        #1
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Oct 23 - Biden open to scrapping the filibuster
 

 

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 1 month ago '06        #2
Skateboard T  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x6
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He does this and it’s game over. fu*k them Joe, you don’t owe conservatives sh*t
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 1 month ago '21        #3
Fras 
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 Skateboard T said
He does this and itís game over. fu*k them Joe, you donít owe conservatives sh*t
Just wait til Conservatives are back in power numbnuts. You have any foresight whatsoever? Or Nah.

I hope they get rid of it anyway. Letís Dictator Beijing Biden and the deep state run this country into the fu*king ground with proveably hurtful policies across the board.
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 1 month ago '14        #4
WizDoM 
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 Fras said
Just wait til Conservatives are back in power numbnuts. You have any foresight whatsoever? Or Nah.

I hope they get rid of it anyway. Letís Dictator Beijing Biden and the deep state run this country into the fu*king ground with proveably hurtful policies across the board.
Hurtful to the rich yes indeed.
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 1 month ago '07        #5
240ka  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1 OP
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 Fras said
Just wait til Conservatives are back in power numbnuts. You have any foresight whatsoever? Or Nah.

I hope they get rid of it anyway. Letís Dictator Beijing Biden and the deep state run this country into the fu*king ground with proveably hurtful policies across the board.
Someone's butthurt
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 1 month ago '04        #6
strat 
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This is not a good idea.... the filibuster isnt the problem... the Senate map is...
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 1 month ago '21        #7
Tlatoani  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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Playing softball corporate Dem aint paying off, is it Joe?
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 1 month ago '05        #8
bklyn 
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If the policies were good you would be able to get the 60 votes. Problem is, his policies suck. Just look at the inflation and covid mandate fallout, people not wanting to go to work etc. Filibuster aint gonna fix his problems.
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 1 month ago '06        #9
Skateboard T  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x6
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 strat said
This is not a good idea.... the filibuster isnt the problem... the Senate map is...
No way to fix the senate map without nixing the filibuster
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 1 month ago '17        #10
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 Fras said
Just wait til Conservatives are back in power numbnuts. You have any foresight whatsoever? Or Nah.

I hope they get rid of it anyway. Letís Dictator Beijing Biden and the deep state run this country into the fu*king ground with proveably hurtful policies across the board.
Dictator? He wasn't trying to get the FBI to go after journalists like Trump was. And speaking of Beijing, look at how much Yuan the Trump family and republicans are funneling in.

Sometimes I feel sorry that you're a mark.
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 1 month ago '19        #11
It is I 
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 Fras said
Just wait til Conservatives are back in power numbnuts. You have any foresight whatsoever? Or Nah.

I hope they get rid of it anyway. Letís Dictator Beijing Biden and the deep state run this country into the fu*king ground with proveably hurtful policies across the board.
You're right. People are so anti-Trump that they will ride for anything Biden or a Democrat does. This is the start of gently rolling back dissenting opinions in this democracy. The fact that this government is divided is a surface level red herring.

Both sides are seeking increase in prosperity and status and are willing to trade their own values for a step ahead.

Both sides are for themselves, to ride for a political party is short sighted and self destructive.
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 1 month ago '17        #12
Ymmot  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x5
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 Fras said
Just wait til Conservatives are back in power numbnuts. You have any foresight whatsoever? Or Nah.

I hope they get rid of it anyway. Letís Dictator Beijing Biden and the deep state run this country into the fu*king ground with proveably hurtful policies across the board.
Your first paragraph totally negates your second paragraph, but I know you're not smart enough to know that and you're just repeating the stupid sh*t you were told to believe.
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 1 month ago '17        #13
Ymmot  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x5
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 Naga Sadow said
Dictator? He wasn't trying to get the FBI to go after journalists like Trump was. And speaking of Beijing, look at how much Yuan the Trump family and republicans are funneling in.

Sometimes I feel sorry that you're a mark.
I don't feel sorry for idiots anymore.
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 1 month ago '16        #14
Blunted Sultan  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x6
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Still going back & forth with BX’s village idiot who lives in an alternate reality?


Anyways the panic is setting in
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 1 month ago '05        #15
Stupendamatic  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x2
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Fingers crossed, but I think or at least I hope he starting to realize the reality of the situation.
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 1 month ago '04        #16
Stadium 
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The filibuster is a mockery of democracy
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 1 month ago '07        #17
yola  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x63
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 Fras said
Just wait til Conservatives are back in power numbnuts.
you guys are going to do your racist agenda regardless of what Dems do, so take your little campfire boogeyman stories where underdeveloped, impressionable minds will be impressed

this narrative that we should be nice to conservatives because they might be back in power is weapons-grade dumb, everyone knows conservatives have an agenda to enslave the country to industry and wealth and eradicate choice and freedom

there is literally nothing anyone can do that will make you guys respect Americans and help the less fortunate

so, Dems should do everything they can to stem the tide of racism that's inherent in capitalism and conservatism because the white nationalist train isn't stopping for anyone
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 1 month ago '04        #18
strat 
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 Skateboard T said
No way to fix the senate map without nixing the filibuster
The fillibuster is a boogie man that really has hurt the dems legislative agenda.

Obama had a supermajority. The filibuster didnt hurt him. Republicans had control of the either the house or Senate from 2010-2020. That was a math problem not a filibuster problem.

The filibuster saved the dems from 2016-2018 on the Trump agenda.

Right now the dems dont have either a bill passed or 50 votes on comprehensive immigration reform, police reform, etc... also these are issues that dont move voters.

Also if we do a carve out for the voting rights bill, first of all, the bill wont make much of a difference. Most of what the Republicans are doing is sh*t the federal government has no control over with state legislatures and secretaries of state. It will be tied up in courts etc.

So is it really worth it to nuke the filibuster to pass legislation that isnt really that popular to essentially get mail in voting and a election day a federal holiday, when you are going to lose thw house and Senate likely next year?

 1 month ago '21        #19
Tlatoani  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 strat said
The fillibuster is a boogie man that really has hurt the dems legislative agenda.

Obama had a supermajority. The filibuster didnt hurt him. Republicans had control of the either the house or Senate from 2010-2020. That was a math problem not a filibuster problem.

The filibuster saved the dems from 2016-2018 on the Trump agenda.

Right now the dems dont have either a bill passed or 50 votes on comprehensive immigration reform, police reform, etc... also these are issues that dont move voters.

Also if we do a carve out for the voting rights bill, first of all, the bill wont make much of a difference. Most of what the Republicans are doing is sh*t the federal government has no control over with state legislatures and secretaries of state. It will be tied up in courts etc.

So is it really worth it to nuke the filibuster to pass legislation that isnt really that popular to essentially get mail in voting and a election day a federal holiday, when you are going to lose thw house and Senate likely next year?
Filibusters skyrocket during the Obama years. Why, if it didn't matter?
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 1 month ago '06        #20
Skateboard T  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x6
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 strat said
The fillibuster is a boogie man that really has hurt the dems legislative agenda.

Obama had a supermajority. The filibuster didnt hurt him. Republicans had control of the either the house or Senate from 2010-2020. That was a math problem not a filibuster problem.

The filibuster saved the dems from 2016-2018 on the Trump agenda.

Right now the dems dont have either a bill passed or 50 votes on comprehensive immigration reform, police reform, etc... also these are issues that dont move voters.

Also if we do a carve out for the voting rights bill, first of all, the bill wont make much of a difference. Most of what the Republicans are doing is sh*t the federal government has no control over with state legislatures and secretaries of state. It will be tied up in courts etc.

So is it really worth it to nuke the filibuster to pass legislation that isnt really that popular to essentially get mail in voting and a election day a federal holiday, when you are going to lose thw house and Senate likely next year?
No offense, but there's a lot in here that suggests you don't 100% understand how the filibuster works.

1. "Obama had a supermajority and the filibuster didn't hurt him" Yes, correct, that's because a supermajority is 67 senators. So you can defeat the filibuster even if 7 other senators defect. So with a supermajority of course the filibuster wouldn't have hurt him that's the whole thing getting a supermajority.

2. "The filibuster saved the dems from the Trump agenda" that's true, and if they nix the filibuster, address voting issues, and pass gerrymandering legislation, they won't ever need to use the filibuster as a defense again because they'll never lose the senate or house again.

3. "Right now the dems dont have either a bill passed or 50 votes on comprehensive immigration reform, police reform, etc... also these are issues that dont move voters." They have 50 votes on police reform, but 50 isn't enough because of the filibuster, in order to pass something in congress you need 60 votes to overcome the filibuster, not 50 votes. The dems only have 50 votes right now, and the McConnell already said he'll filibuster everything the dems try to pass, so even if they had 50 votes it wouldn't matter, they need 60.

4. "Also if we do a carve out for the voting rights bill, first of all, the bill wont make much of a difference. Most of what the Republicans are doing is sh*t the federal government has no control over with state legislatures and secretaries of state. It will be tied up in courts etc." We're talking about federal legislation which overrules state legislation in almost all cases, there's issues that need to get addressed at the state level for sure, but this statement just ignores the entire context of this discussion lol, we're only talking at the federal level and federal elections. There's PLENTY that can be done at the federal level to counteract the problems that you see at the state level.
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 1 month ago '10        #21
Nautilus O  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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These LGBTQ weirdos just want to be snarky on Twitter, they don’t care about the country

 1 month ago '04        #22
strat 
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 Skateboard T said
No offense, but there's a lot in here that suggests you don't 100% understand how the filibuster works.

1. "Obama had a supermajority and the filibuster didn't hurt him" Yes, correct, that's because a supermajority is 67 senators. So you can defeat the filibuster even if 7 other senators defect. So with a supermajority of course the filibuster wouldn't have hurt him that's the whole thing getting a supermajority.

2. "The filibuster saved the dems from the Trump agenda" that's true, and if they nix the filibuster, address voting issues, and pass gerrymandering legislation, they won't ever need to use the filibuster as a defense again because they'll never lose the senate or house again.

3. "Right now the dems dont have either a bill passed or 50 votes on comprehensive immigration reform, police reform, etc... also these are issues that dont move voters." They have 50 votes on police reform, but 50 isn't enough because of the filibuster, in order to pass something in congress you need 60 votes to overcome the filibuster, not 50 votes. The dems only have 50 votes right now, and the McConnell already said he'll filibuster everything the dems try to pass, so even if they had 50 votes it wouldn't matter, they need 60.

4. "Also if we do a carve out for the voting rights bill, first of all, the bill wont make much of a difference. Most of what the Republicans are doing is sh*t the federal government has no control over with state legislatures and secretaries of state. It will be tied up in courts etc." We're talking about federal legislation which overrules state legislation in almost all cases, there's issues that need to get addressed at the state level for sure, but this statement just ignores the entire context of this discussion lol, we're only talking at the federal level and federal elections. There's PLENTY that can be done at the federal level to counteract the problems that you see at the state level.
The first point was bringing up to say the filibuster in the past did not hurt Obamas legislative agenda.

If the Dems work out a carve out just for voting rights the filibuster is effectively dead. Just like Harry Reid essentially k*lled the filibuster on all judicial nominees with his appeals court carve out.

There isnt a police reform bill yet. They were negotiating with Tim Scott because they thought they had something. The devil is always in the details. Write the bill bring it up for a vote, count votes and see where you are at. The only bill actively fillibustered is the right to vote act.

The federal bills have no jurisdiction over the replacement of secretaries of states with the state legislatures. They didnt touch it at all in light of the recent supreme court decisions. It is the scariest sh*t the Republicans are doing.

My overall point is Democrats talk about a whole lot of sh*t that a) they dont have the power to do because of math or b) at the end of the day wont help expand their majorities and can backfire. The For the people act doesnt have 50 votes, its dead. The right to vote act has 50 votes, but imo isnt worth it to nuke the fillibuster, especially because it wont have an effect on the already gerrymandered seats in Texas etc..

 1 month ago '04        #23
strat 
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 Tlatoani said
Filibusters skyrocket during the Obama years. Why, if it didn't matter?
They fillibustered him on judicial nominees. I was talking about legislative agenda. They didnt have to, Mitch, Boehner, or Ryan simply didnt put his legislation up for a vote.

 1 month ago '21        #24
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 strat said
They fillibustered him on judicial nominees. I was talking about legislative agenda. They didnt have to, Mitch, Boehner, or Ryan simply didnt put his legislation up for a vote.
So the filibuster matters.

 1 month ago '06        #25
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remove the filibuster, push that new voting law through, and republicans will never get into power again....unless we get a democrat version of trump at some point
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