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Sep 16 - Milquetoast Mike Pence Is No Hero
 

 
Awful new revelations about Trump and Jan. 6 show Mike Pence is no hero

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Ever since Mike Pence announced on Jan. 6 that he lacked power to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 election in Congress, it’s been widely suggested that the vice president was one of the few heroes in this ugly tale.

But new revelations in the forthcoming book by Post reporters Bob Woodward and Robert Costa cast doubt on this account. And the new details also hint at lines of inquiry about Jan. 6 that will shape aspects of the House select committee’s examination of those events.

The key details concern Trump’s relentless pressure on Pence to help subvert the electoral college count on Jan. 6, pursuant to the vice president’s role as president of the Senate. The day before, in the Oval Office, Trump angrily told Pence that various people believed he did have the power to somehow derail the count.

“If these people say you had the power, wouldn't you want to?” Trump asked.

"I wouldn't want any one person to have that authority," Pence said.

"But wouldn't it be almost cool to have that power?" Trump asked, according to Woodward and Costa.

“No,” Pence said. He went on, “I’ve done everything I could and then some to find a way around this. It’s simply not possible.”
I’ve done everything I could and then some. That’s at odds with the portrayal of Pence as a heroic defender of the Constitution and the rule of law who bravely rebuffed Trump’s corrupt pressure on him to help destroy them both.

Obviously Pence might have been exaggerating his efforts to placate Trump. But notably, the book also reports that Pence privately said the same to former vice president Dan Quayle, who basically had to persuade him he had no power to help Trump

Over and over, Pence asked if there was anything he could do.
“Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away,” Quayle told him.
So we need to know how far Pence actually did try to go. Which raises a bunch of other questions. For instance, did Trump try to pressure the Justice Department to develop a fake legal rationale for Pence to somehow derail the electoral count?

Richard Ben-Veniste, a member of the 9/11 commission, has suggested another line of inquiry: What was Pence’s own understanding of the plot Trump was trying to set in motion?

We know Pence told his security detail that he adamantly would not allow himself to be removed from the Capitol as the violence raged. So what exactly did Pence understand about the intentions of Trump and his co-conspirators?
Trump sent the mob to terrorize Pence. Did Pence believe Trump and his allies wanted him removed in hopes that this would somehow halt the count and then kick it back to the states or into the House for a contingent election decided by state delegations? The new revelations make these lines of questioning more relevant.

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Rep. Jamie B. Raskin (D-Md.), a member of the Jan. 6 select committee, says the new details suggest its investigation will have to fully flesh out Pence’s role.

“We need to look and see how far things went in 2020 in order to determine what correctives we need to make for 2024,” Raskin told me.

The point about 2024 is key: This isn’t merely about reconstructing past events, but also about safeguarding our system against a future stolen election.
“Trump wanted to exploit every vulnerability and booby trap in the electoral college,” Raskin said.

As Raskin pointed out, in 2024 Republicans might try to steal an election again, only this time, they might control one or both chambers of Congress. In various scenarios, the holes in the Electoral Count Act — which governs how electoral college votes are counted in Congress, and how disputes over them are resolved — might be exploited so a GOP House and/or Senate could subvert the count.
At the same time, Raskin pointed out, Trump’s loyalists are working to purge state-level Republicans who refused to a*sist his effort to steal the election in 2020, so there’s no telling whether we can count on officials holding the line next time.

Learning how far Pence was willing to go, Raskin says, might help us understand just how vulnerable the system is to a more successful effort, and what might be done about it.

“The electoral college system is a creaky antique, but it worked so long as everyone basically agreed to honor the popular vote in the states as controlling the award of electoral college votes,” Raskin told me. “The moment that understanding is breached, at that point all bets are off.”

“So the question is whether we can put the genie of coup and insurrection back in the bottle,” Raskin continued, “or whether we need fundamental and sweeping reform of the electoral college system in order to guarantee that we have a dependable democratic election.”

These are things the committee will have to grapple with. And the new Pence revelations underscore how complicated and ugly that task will truly be.

visit this link https://www.washingtonpos .. n-6-committee/
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Fears That Trump Might Launch a Strike Prompted General to Reassure China, Book Says

In a sign of his concerns, the nation’s highest-ranking military officer also gathered commanders to remind them of the safeguards in the nuclear launch procedures.




WASHINGTON — The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff twice called his Chinese counterpart in the final months of the Trump administration to reassure him that Donald J. Trump had no plans to attack China in an effort to remain in power and that the United States was not collapsing, according to “Peril,” a new book by the Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.

“Things may look unsteady,” the chairman, Gen. Mark A. Milley, told Gen. Li Zuocheng of China on Jan. 8, two days after Mr. Trump’s supporters stormed the Capitol to try to stop the certification of his election loss and in the second of two such calls. “But that’s the nature of democracy, General Li. We are 100 percent steady. Everything’s fine. But democracy can be sloppy sometimes.”

Yet despite his a*surances, General Milley was so concerned about Mr. Trump that later that day he convened a meeting with top commanders to remind them that the procedures for launching a nuclear weapon called for his involvement in such a decision.

The book also reveals how Vice President Mike Pence struggled more than was publicly known over how to navigate Mr. Trump’s demands that he upend the election certification. Speaking privately to former Vice President Dan Quayle, who oversaw the certification of the 1992 election in which he was on the losing ticket, Mr. Pence appeared open to going along with Mr. Trump’s plan, pushed the false claim that Arizona’s voting results were wrong and asked whether there was any way he could delay certification.

“Peril,” which is scheduled to be released next Tuesday, says its accounts are based on contemporaneous notes, documents and interviews with unnamed firsthand participants and witnesses. The New York Times obtained a copy of it.

Similar to other media reports and books released since Mr. Trump left office, the book details how Mr. Trump’s presidency essentially collapsed in his final months in office, particularly after his election loss and the start of his campaign to deny the results. Top aides — including General Milley, Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Attorney General William P. Barr — became convinced that they needed to take drastic measures to stop him from trampling on American democracy or setting off an international conflict, and General Milley thought that Mr. Trump had declined mentally in the aftermath of the election, according to the book.

A little less than half of the book also covers the first several months of Joseph R. Biden’s administration, as the new president grappled with the pandemic, a faltering economy, Congress and the military’s withdrawal from Afghanistan.

“If the mission is to preserve the Ghani government, I would not send my own son,” Mr. Biden is quoted as telling aides in his first few months in office during the discussions about the withdrawal, referring to President Ashraf Ghani, who at the time was trying to repel the Taliban from taking over the country.
But it is the book’s details about the Trump administration that are likely to garner the most attention.

In the days leading up to the 2020 election, the book reveals, American intelligence showed that the Chinese believed that Mr. Trump planned to launch a military strike to create an international crisis that he could claim to solve as a last-ditch effort to beat Joseph R. Biden Jr.

General Milley, who had become increasingly concerned about China’s growing military power and the potential for one misread move to set off combat between the world superpowers, first called General Li around that time on a secret backchannel. He wanted to a*sure General Li and President Xi Jinping that the United States was not planning to attack China.

On the Jan. 8 call, General Li suggested that Chinese leaders feared that the United States government was unstable. He pressed General Milley over the course of an hour and a half about whether the military was going to take action.




Despite General Milley’s reassurances, he feared that Mr. Trump might be trying to find a moment that he could seize on to remain in power, similar to Hitler’s exploitation in 1933 of an arson fire at the German Reichstag to help institute emergency powers, the book said.

But even after the call, General Milley concluded that the situation was “grave” and General Li “remained unusually rattled,” the book reports.

Mr. Trump, General Milley had concluded, did not want a war but might order the launch of some sort of military strike that would set off a chain reaction and lead to war.

“I continually reminded him,” General Milley is quoted as saying, “depending on where and what you strike, you could find yourself at war.”

Later that day, General Milley spoke to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who was growing increasingly concerned Mr. Trump would lash out and use military force.

“This is bad, but who knows what he might do?” Ms. Pelosi said. “He’s crazy. You know he’s crazy. He’s been crazy for a long time. So don’t say you don’t know what his state of mind is.”

“Madam Speaker,” General Milley said, “I agree with you on everything.”

General Milley, who as the president’s top military adviser is not in the chain of command, tried to reassure Ms. Pelosi that he could stop Mr. Trump.

“The one thing I can guarantee is that as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I want you to know that — I want you to know this in your heart of hearts, I can guarantee you 110 percent that the military, use of military power, whether it’s nuclear or a strike in a foreign country of any kind, we’re not going to do anything illegal or crazy,” he said.

“Well,” Ms. Pelosi said, “what do you mean, illegal or crazy?”

“I can give you my word,” General Milley said. “The best I can do is give you my word and I’m going to prevent anything like that in the United States military.”

After speaking to Ms. Pelosi, General Milley convened a meeting in a war room at the Pentagon with the military’s top commanders, telling them that he wanted to go over the longstanding procedures for launching a nuclear weapon. The general reminded the commanders that only the president could order such a strike and that General Milley needed to be directly involved.

“If you get calls,” General Milley said, “no matter who they’re from, there’s a process here, there’s a procedure. No matter what you’re told, you do the procedure. You do the process. And I’m part of that procedure. You’ve got to make sure that the right people are on the net.”

The general added: “The strict procedures are explicitly designed to avoid inadvertent mistakes or accident or nefarious, unintentional, illegal, immoral, unethical launching of the world’s most dangerous weapons.”

Then, he went around the room and asked each officer to confirm that they understood what he was saying.

Twelve days later, General Milley said, he thought he might be one of the happiest people at Mr. Biden’s inauguration because Mr. Trump had finally left office.

“We know what you went through,” Mr. Biden told General Milley shortly before the inauguration. “We know what you did.”

While much had been reported about General Milley’s views of Mr. Trump, the book’s depiction of Mr. Pence revealed for the first time the depths that the vice president went to as his fealty to Mr. Trump collided with calculations about his political future and the counsel of his aides and advisers to follow the Constitution.

In the days leading up to Jan. 6, Mr. Pence called Mr. Quayle, the only living Republican vice president forced to certify an election in which he was on the losing ticket.

Mr. Pence told him that the president was convinced that Mr. Pence could throw out the election results in order to keep himself in power.

“Mike, you have no flexibility on this,” Mr. Quayle told Mr. Pence. “None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away.”

“I know, that’s what I’ve been trying to tell Trump,” Mr. Pence said. “But he really thinks he can. And there are other guys in there saying I’ve got this power.”

Mr. Pence then echoed Mr. Trump’s false claims of election fraud. “Well, there’s some stuff out in Arizona,” Mr. Pence said.

“Mike, I live in Arizona,” Mr. Quayle said. “There’s nothing out here.”




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 1 month ago '04        #3
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“This is bad, but who knows what he might do?” Ms. Pelosi said. “He’s crazy. You know he’s crazy. He’s been crazy for a long time. So don’t say you don’t know what his state of mind is.”

“Madam Speaker,” General Milley said, “I agree with you on everything
morons really put a mentally deficient and unstable reality actor in charge

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 1 month ago '21        #4
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fu*k Mike Pence, fu*k OP, and fu*k General Milley
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 1 month ago '15        #5
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 Fras said
fu*k Mike Pence, fu*k OP, and fu*k General Milley
Also fu*k you and your maga daddy
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 1 month ago '04        #6
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 PineappleOG said
Also fu*k you and your maga daddy
dan quayle told mike he couldnt do sh*t



Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away,” Quayle told him.
when milqetoast mike is under duress he calls old neocons for advice
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 1 month ago '21        #7
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 PineappleOG said
Also fu*k you and your maga daddy
fu*k you and your step dad
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 Fras said
fu*k you and your step dad
this was uncalled for

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 1 month ago '15        #9
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 gh3tto said
dan quayle told mike he couldnt do sh*t





when milqetoast mike is under duress he calls old neocons for advice
It’s funny cus he out here having his voice of reason be some other kook
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 1 month ago '04        #10
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 PineappleOG said
It’s funny cus he out here having his voice of reason be some other kook
there are stories running that dan quayle saved democracy talking to mike






Pence Had to Ask Dan Quayle If American Democracy Should Continue



The Vice-President Who Saved Democracy on January 6 Was … Dan Quayle?
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 1 month ago '15        #11
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 gh3tto said
there are stories running that dan quayle saved democracy talking to mike









It’s that complexion, people with more melanin woulda been offed by the government no discretion
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 Fras said
fu*k Mike Pence, fu*k OP, and fu*k General Milley
Fras, so much much vitriol so early in the day. Make yourself some Ovaltine and go lay back down.
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 1 month ago '04        #13
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Fras, so much much vitriol so early in the day. Make yourself some Ovaltine and go lay back down.
his greasy double bigmac heart is going to explode like kevin greeson


 1 month ago '21        #14
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 Sense Maker said
Fras, so much much vitriol so early in the day. Make yourself some Ovaltine and go lay back down.
Lol I’m good bro. I like to get fake angry on here for the comedic effect. But I guess you’d have to know me personally to really “get it”

I guess look at my posts in that frame of mind going forward.

I’m not actually angry. I just like to try and make people laugh while seeming angry.
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 Fras said
Lol I’m good bro. I like to get fake angry on here for the comedic effect. But I guess you’d have to know me personally to really “get it”

I guess look at my posts in that frame of mind going forward.

I’m not actually angry. I just like to try and make people laugh while seeming angry.
you a nasty magat that worships donald



you suffer from foxmania and every single thing joe biden does upsets you


 1 month ago '21        #16
Fras 
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 gh3tto said
you a nasty magat that worships donald



you suffer from foxmania and every single thing joe biden does upsets you

Listen to yourself.

Your personality is literally unbearable. You don't even attempt to have any real meaningful conversation. You're just totally indoctrinated and go with whatever way the agenda wind blows. You're literally insufferable.

You just keep posting "youre a nasty magat! you worship donald! blah blah. you watch fox news! blah blah'' I'm really starting to wonder if you're like literally retarded. Not a joke. Like you sound like a broken fu*king record.

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 Fras said
Listen to yourself.

Your personality is literally unbearable. You don't even attempt to have any real meaningful conversation. You're just totally indoctrinated and go with whatever way the agenda wind blows. You're literally insufferable.

You just keep posting "youre a nasty magat! you worship donald! blah blah. you watch fox news! blah blah'' I'm really starting to wonder if you're like literally retarded. Not a joke. Like you sound like a broken fu*king record.
why would i attempt to have a conversation with a degenerate tucker carlson stan



its established youre stupid as fu*k im not interested in anything you say bi*ch

 1 month ago '17        #18
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fu*k him

Some of you herbs act like America would be better off if he won re-election too



fu*k em all

 1 month ago '16        #19
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I know Boxden generally hates the reigning King of Late Night, but Colbert was FLAMING Mike Pence about this the other night


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 1 month ago '15        #20
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Fras, so much much vitriol so early in the day. Make yourself some Ovaltine and go lay back down.


I haven’t heard the name “ovaltine” in ages…


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 1 month ago '11        #21
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Oh we know. Trust and believe I will tell my grandkids and their kids that Mike Pence and President Treason were cowards.
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