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Sep 15 - Should you believe the vaccine mandates will cause mass resignations? :nope:
 

 
Column: Should you believe the vaccine mandates will cause mass resignations? Probably not

It’s no secret that the pandemic has been a rich breeding ground for infectious balderdash of every description. Get ready for a whole new genre.

We’re talking about reports of mass resignations provoked by vaccination mandates. These are beginning to percolate through the press and social media.

For the most part, there’s less in the reports than meets the eye at first glance. That’s an early sign that they should be treated with extreme care and skepticism, just like reports of “miracle cures” derived from livestock medications, bleach, and UV lights.

Employers in certain business segments have been fretting for months about whether requiring workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19 will result in a surge of quitting.

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That’s why some have avoided imposing vaccine requirements on members of their workforces with the least to lose — low-income front-line workers such as cashiers at Walmart, for example, while keeping them in place for those who have their eyes on career goals, including middle managers.

The vaccination mandate proposed last week by the Biden administration and aimed at employers with more than 100 workers should diminish those concerns. Rank-and-file workers who refuse vaccines on the a*sumption that they can just move on to less-demanding employers will have fewer options.

Workers in healthcare fields, where vaccination refusal rates were inexplicably elevated, also will have fewer choices, especially as the Biden administration is mandating vaccines for all employees of healthcare facilities that treat Medicare and Medicaid enrollees. That’s the vast majority.

That rule alone may make the episode earlier this summer at Houston Methodist Hospital a relic of the past. After the hospital mandated that all employees get vaccinated against COVID-19, more than 150 refused. They were fired.

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Several had challenged the mandate in a lawsuit, arguing that the vaccines were “unapproved” and they were being treated as “guinea pigs.”

Federal Judge Lynn N. Hughes made short work of these arguments, ruling in June that the hospital was well within its rights to condition employment on vaccination. The resisting workers “will simply need to work somewhere else,” he ruled. “Every employment includes limits on the worker’s behavior in exchange for his remuneration. That is all part of the bargain.”

Of course, now, what with the Pfizer vaccine having received formal approval from the Food and Drug Administration and the federal government accepting no substitutes for healthcare workers getting the shots, the 153 Houston workers who quit rather than get vaccinated may have to go scraping for jobs.

In any case, the hospital says that the 153 resigning or fired workers represented about 0.6% of the hospital’s nearly 25,000 employees.

Reports from news sources and social media reflect a similar order of magnitude, or less. The most prominently reported case involves Lewis County General Hospital in rural upstate New York. There, the resignations of six employees and the possibility that seven others would refuse to get vaccinated will force the hospital to temporarily “pause” maternity services starting next week, according to hospital officials.

This will cause an inconvenience for the community but probably not a crisis. The hospital delivers about 200 babies a year, well below the state average of more than 1,000 or the national average of almost 600. Hospitals with functioning maternity departments are 15 and 30 miles away.

The hospital administrators say about 20 of their unvaccinated clinical staffers have resigned since New York state imposed a vaccine mandate on healthcare workers, but 73% of the health system’s 650 employees are vaccinated. That’s a better rate than in the region as a whole: Lewis County’s overall vaccination rate of 40% is among the lowest in the state.

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The county also has the highest COVID test positivity rate in the state, officials said. The region has had a problem finding professional staff for its healthcare facilities for a long time, possibly due to its remoteness.

The other big yarn making its way around the internet concerns a Lt. Col. Paul Douglas Hague, who is supposedly a 19-year veteran stationed at Ft. Bragg, N.C.
According to a letter purportedly sent to his superiors and tweeted out by a woman who says she’s his wife, Katie Phipps Hague, the Army officer is resigning his commission to protest the “unlawful, unethical, immoral, and tyrannical order to sit still and allow a serum to be injected into my flesh against my will and better judgment.”

The letter goes on to grouse at “an ideologically Marxist takeover of the military and United States government at their upper echelons.”

A few points about this:

I haven’t been able to confirm that Lt. Col. Hague exists or if the resignation letter is genuine, but it is the sort of missive that makes you go “Hmmm...”
According to the letter, Hague will be resigning at least several months short of his eligibility for a military pension, which comes with 20 years of service. For a lieutenant colonel, for which rank the base pay is $114,670, a 20-year pension would be worth about $57,335, or $4,778 a month. That makes his stand an expensive one to take, especially given its basic illogic.

It fails to mention, for example, that even before the COVID pandemic active-duty members of the military were required to be vaccinated for up to 17 diseases. Of these, the most common are measles, mumps, rubella, polio, flu, smallpox and tetanus.

Why a military officer would decide to cop an attitude over the COVID vaccine just now isn’t clear, unless he’s been infected by the absurd, partisan campaign that has made refusing the shot a litmus test for right-wing cred.

Nevertheless, you can expect to see this missive and perhaps a few others like it shot around social media in coming weeks to promote disobedience to vaccination mandates.

One other category of news report may be the treatment of a small number of refusniks as the vanguard of some sort of mass movement.

After Baltimore told all city employees to either get vaccinated by Oct. 18 or submit to weekly COVID-19 testing, an order that covered almost 14,000 individuals, local news crews beat the bushes to find objectors. The CBS station found ... one, a healthcare worker who said she was quitting but who refused even to be quoted by name.

More responsible and credible reports indicate that vaccination mandates are doing their job, which is to force holdouts to reconsider.

Delta Air Lines says that its threat to start charging holdouts more for their health coverage spurred 20% of their unvaccinated workers to get the shot. At United Airlines, which mandates vaccinations for all employees and gave its workers five weeks to comply, half of the unvaccinated employees had gotten their shots within three weeks.

Anti-vaccine activists may have more bark than bite. The San Diego Police Officers a*sn. said last week that 65% of its members responding to a recent survey said they would consider quitting if the city enforced a vaccination mandate scheduled to take effect Nov. 2.

But only 38% of the union’s more than 1,900 members responded at all, leaving it unclear whether the responses overrepresented vaccine holdouts or whether those who claimed they might quit would actually follow through. Jobs with public law enforcement agencies unwilling to enforce vaccinations may become harder and harder to find.

Human resources professionals say that objections to vaccination are steadily disappearing.

At a recent briefing, the Society for Human Resource Management said its surveys showed that although 28% of workers said in December that they would rather leave their job than take a vaccine, now “what we’re seeing is that number is roughly less than two percent,” Alexander Alonso, the society’s chief knowledge officer, said at the briefing. “So while there is this ‘great resignation movement’ … what we’re seeing [is] typically not related to the vaccine.”

Vaccine mandates are broadly popular in the U.S. and have been spreading fast since the FDA approved the Pfizer vaccine. The betting here is that they will continue to spread and become routine as public employers, colleges and universities, big employers and retailers and entertainment venues put them in place.

There will be occasional inconveniences caused by resignations, as at Lewis County General Hospital. But they’re likely to ebb as vaccine refusal becomes recognized as a fringe sentiment, which is what it is. The lesson in this case, as it has been with wild claims about COVID remedies, is to listen not to lunacy, but to reason.

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 1 day ago '11        #3
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I’m hoping they all resign so i can demand more money
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 1 day ago '06        #4
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Mass resignations, no, not unless you can afford it. That's why the government, employers, etc. know they can impose these mandates at will, regardless of how many rights it violates, becasue they are primarily dealing with people who have no power and can't afford to go without their regular income.
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 1 day ago '17        #5
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Broke a*ses don't believe in those memes that much.
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 1 day ago '04        #6
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 Ifeellikekobe said
Broke a*ses don't believe in those memes that much.
covidiots wanted to post that rural hospital 5 times and then refer to nurses as "medical professionals"



oh, now you respect healthcare workers ?

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 1 day ago '11        #7
winning2011  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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Yes, there will be mass resignations. 100%


The issue with the hospitals being overwhelmed is b/c of the Nurse shortage all around the US. Many Hospitals that mandated, have had a large number of nurses quit or terminated b/c they refused to take it.

Same sh*t is gonna happen in the private sector. Won’t be the majority but it will be a substantial amount.

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DUCEDUCE  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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Mass resignations broke as americans aint doing sh*t but getting the jab and getting their a*s back to work.
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 1 day ago '21        #9
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This is what you call disgusting Propaganda. This sh*t is being used to make people not believe the REALITY of whats happening right in front of them.

My wife is a Dr. of PT. She is not getting the shot, along with 16 other people at her facility. I say this not for you to follow her medical advice, but to let you know I get information from her about the general consensus of if others are avoiding the vaccine or not.

I have another friend who works in the Nursery of a local hospital. There are 8 people leaving, mind you this is a small "city." So thats a big deal, especially when there's already a worker shortage in general.

Mandating a vaccine is nothing short of complete evil, and anyone that supports it should be thrown in solitary confinement indefinitely.

Mandating a vaccine puts on the table, mandating other things for the future. What are they going to do, mandate mind altering medicine for people that question authority, or mandate other mind altering injections for wrong-think? Once you allow mandating a vaccine in this fashion, you open up pandoras box, and if you've read history at all, you'll realize, governments will continue to TAKE AND TAKE, as long as we collectively let them.


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 Fras said
This is what you call disgusting Propaganda. This sh*t is being used to make people not believe the REALITY of whats happening right in front of them.

My wife is a Dr. of PT. She is not getting the shot, along with 16 other people at her facility.

I have another friend who works in the Nursery of a local hospital. There are 8 people leaving, mind you this is a small "city." So thats a big deal, especially when there's already a worker shortage in general.

Mandating a vaccine is nothing short of complete evil, and anyone that supports it should be thrown in solitary confinement indefinitely.

Mandating a vaccine puts on the table, mandating other things for the future. What are they going to do, mandate mind altering medicine for people that question authority, or mandate other mind altering injections for wrong-think? Once you allow mandating a vaccine in this fashion, you open up pandoras box, and if you've read history at all, you'll realize, governments will continue to TAKE AND TAKE, as long as we collectively let them.
you nasty magat frasier they mandated the smallpox vaccine in 1777
that door opened 250 years ago



your anecdote is worthless the article posted data

In any case, the hospital says that the 153 resigning or fired workers represented about 0.6% of the hospital’s nearly 25,000 employees.
At a recent briefing, the Society for Human Resource Management said its surveys showed that although 28% of workers said in December that they would rather leave their job than take a vaccine, now “what we’re seeing is that number is roughly less than two percent
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 Fras said
This is what you call disgusting Propaganda. This sh*t is being used to make people not believe the REALITY of whats happening right in front of them.

My wife is a Dr. of PT. She is not getting the shot, along with 16 other people at her facility.

I have another friend who works in the Nursery of a local hospital. There are 8 people leaving, mind you this is a small "city." So thats a big deal, especially when there's already a worker shortage in general.

Mandating a vaccine is nothing short of complete evil, and anyone that supports it should be thrown in solitary confinement indefinitely.

Mandating a vaccine puts on the table, mandating other things for the future. What are they going to do, mandate mind altering medicine for people that question authority, or mandate other mind altering injections for wrong-think? Once you allow mandating a vaccine in this fashion, you open up pandoras box, and if you've read history at all, you'll realize, governments will continue to TAKE AND TAKE, as long as we collectively let them.
Man foreal people not understanding this at all. People are all praising the mandate then watch other mandates are gonna come in and people will be pissed off. And I don't wanna hear people crying when its a mandate that dont fit their agenda.
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This is why everyone needs side hustles or go into business for themselves.
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 1 day ago '15        #13
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 Fras said
This is what you call disgusting Propaganda. This sh*t is being used to make people not believe the REALITY of whats happening right in front of them.

My wife is a Dr. of PT. She is not getting the shot, along with 16 other people at her facility.

I have another friend who works in the Nursery of a local hospital. There are 8 people leaving, mind you this is a small "city." So thats a big deal, especially when there's already a worker shortage in general.

Mandating a vaccine is nothing short of complete evil, and anyone that supports it should be thrown in solitary confinement indefinitely.

Mandating a vaccine puts on the table, mandating other things for the future. What are they going to do, mandate mind altering medicine for people that question authority, or mandate other mind altering injections for wrong-think? Once you allow mandating a vaccine in this fashion, you open up pandoras box, and if you've read history at all, you'll realize, governments will continue to TAKE AND TAKE, as long as we collectively let them.
No one believes any of this, you're retarded

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Sheep calling folks sheep for not being sheep

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 1 day ago '21        #15
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 balla9969 said
Man foreal people not understanding this at all. People are all praising the mandate then watch other mandates are gonna come in and people will be pissed off. And I don't wanna hear people crying when its a mandate that dont fit their agenda.
What will happen is they will use the consequence of the mandate to push their agenda further. We're already sort of seeing it on the news.

They keep saying "The Hospitals are overwhelmed Oh my gosh!''

The hospitals aren't overwhelmed, or at least they don't have to be. The hospitals are understaffed, from resignations and its about to go nationwide.

So the news will continue saying this, as more state mandates hit, and then the new Biden Mandates. Then they will ask for more resources, and act like covid is even more out of control than 1.5 years ago...and the bullsh*t continues.

Its all so predictable at this point. It really doesn't even need to be like this.
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 Fras said
This is what you call disgusting Propaganda. This sh*t is being used to make people not believe the REALITY of whats happening right in front of them.

My wife is a Dr. of PT. She is not getting the shot, along with 16 other people at her facility.

I have another friend who works in the Nursery of a local hospital. There are 8 people leaving, mind you this is a small "city." So thats a big deal, especially when there's already a worker shortage in general.

Mandating a vaccine is nothing short of complete evil, and anyone that supports it should be thrown in solitary confinement indefinitely.

Mandating a vaccine puts on the table, mandating other things for the future. What are they going to do, mandate mind altering medicine for people that question authority, or mandate other mind altering injections for wrong-think? Once you allow mandating a vaccine in this fashion, you open up pandoras box, and if you've read history at all, you'll realize, governments will continue to TAKE AND TAKE, as long as we collectively let them.
I respect your wife and her colleagues decision not to get the vaccine. But are they going to give up all those years of education and experience to start all over in a new profession where you don’t have to get the vaccine?
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 1 day ago '21        #17
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No one believes any of this, you're retarded
Don't really care if nobody believes this. The people that do believe it are the ones I'm targeting. I'm not here to impress your worthless a*s, thats for sure. I have literally zero reasons to lie. I'm 33 years old son. I have no reason to lie about anything to impress anyone.

I'm here to have discussions with people that actually have some semblance of intelligence.
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 Fras said
Mandating a vaccine puts on the table, mandating other things for the future. What are they going to do, mandate mind altering medicine for people that question authority, or mandate other mind altering injections for wrong-think? Once you allow mandating a vaccine in this fashion, you open up pandoras box, and if you've read history at all, you'll realize, governments will continue to TAKE AND TAKE, as long as we collectively let them.

it really doesn't lol
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Just imagine you go to get your tonsils out and nurse is some nasty methed out magat talking about Biden eats babies

These people need to keep to their cousin fu*king and get out of health care.

Or you know, wake the fu*k up do the right thing, get the shot and go to work.
The election has been over for a minute, snap out of retard land.

We can just have a bunch of 23 year olds take their place soon anyways.

And with the anti abortion bill we will have a bunch of r*pe babies coming in 25 years that will gladly take that job :sealrape:
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 1 day ago '16        #20
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We starting to live in "equilibrium" for real


Better get that Gunkata up to par
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 1 day ago '21        #21
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 jlandryst said
I respect your wife and her colleagues decision not to get the vaccine. But are they going to give up all those years of education and experience to start all over in a new profession where you don’t have to get the vaccine?
Thank you for your reasonable comment. I also respect any decision you want to make regarding vaccines or anything else in your life.

She's was actually hired by her former company who is experiencing staff shortages, and offered a pretty good signing bonus. We both know its only a matter of time before an effort is put forth to mandate it at her new job she starts on October 1st....so while all this is going on we've been in contact with Lawyers, and her and I are both working on filing a PLLC, (A professional limited liability company) and she's going to start her own practice. I'm going to a*sist and help her along the way.
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 jlandryst said
I respect your wife and her colleagues decision not to get the vaccine. But are they going to give up all those years of education and experience to start all over in a new profession where you don’t have to get the vaccine?
It’s literally small businesses under a hundred or nothing. I for one will refuse to pay for services from such a business unless it’s my only only option.
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 Fras said
What will happen is they will use the consequence of the mandate to push their agenda further. We're already sort of seeing it on the news.

They keep saying "The Hospitals are overwhelmed Oh my gosh!''

The hospitals aren't overwhelmed, or at least they don't have to be. The hospitals are understaffed, from resignations and its about to go nationwide.

So the news will continue saying this, as more state mandates hit, and then the new Biden Mandates. Then they will ask for more resources, and act like covid is even more out of control than 1.5 years ago...and the bullsh*t continues.

Its all so predictable at this point. It really doesn't even need to be like this.
Hospitals were overwhelmed before Covid. You ever been to an ER or try to get a doctors appointment. Covid is just making it worse and you as someone with healthcare workers in your immediate family should know there has been a shortage of healthcare workers for years because fewer people are going into healthcare and the people that are working in healthcare are getting burned out and quitting or retiring without being replaced.
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 1 day ago '15        #24
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 Fras said
Don't really care if nobody believes this. The people that do believe it are the ones I'm targeting. I'm not here to impress your worthless a*s, thats for sure. I have literally zero reasons to lie. I'm 33 years old son. I have no reason to lie about anything to impress anyone.

I'm here to have discussions with people that actually have some semblance of intelligence.
Not about being impressed, its about the fact you're never right and always making up anecdotes. You're like the most anti empirical dude when it comes to presenting any sort information or knowledge. I feel bad for people who actually take anything you say seriously cus you're always wrong
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 PotheadFocker said
It’s literally small businesses under a hundred or nothing. I for one will refuse to pay for services from such a business unless it’s my only only option.
I’m not even talking about that his wife is working for a healthcare system that is mandating it. So what are you talking about? I’m confused.
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