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 1 month ago '18        #1
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Controversial take on Zach LaVine
 

 
I think hes better than Booker. And Im a fan of Bookers. But I think LaVine has suffered from the fact that hes played for 2 bad franchises, and also from the fact that he jumps so high. Everyone keeps acting like hes just a dunker.

Dude has been very efficient from the field his whole career, minus 1 season. He shot 40% from 3 in college, he shot 50% from the field and 42% from 3 this past season.

He has the size and athleticism of a Sg, with handle and instincts to play point. Honestly on offense Im not sure he has a weakness other than strength and decision making skills that have room for improvement although I dont think they are too bad.

I feel like hes gotten a completely bum rap as a player because everyone just thinks hes a dunker.

Hes also really underrated as far as his speed. Im not sure theres many SGs ever who were much faster (Iverson and MJ come to mind but thats about it).
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 1 month ago '18        #2
FireBeats  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x23
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 back1 said
I think hes better than Booker. And Im a fan of Bookers. But I think LaVine has suffered from the fact that hes played for 2 bad franchises, and also from the fact that he jumps so high. Everyone keeps acting like hes just a dunker.

Dude has been very efficient from the field his whole career, minus 1 season. He shot 40% from 3 in college, he shot 50% from the field and 42% from 3 this past season.

He has the size and athleticism of a Sg, with handle and instincts to play point. Honestly on offense Im not sure he has a weakness other than strength and decision making skills that have room for improvement although I dont think they are too bad.

I feel like hes gotten a completely bum rap as a player because everyone just thinks hes a dunker.

Hes also really underrated as far as his speed. Im not sure theres many SGs ever who were much faster (Iverson and MJ come to mind but thats about it).

I agree people do see him as just an athletic guy and dunker, you 100% right on that. But he has a very smooth overall game
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 1 month ago '14        #3
DirtyDan419 
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Booker better on D tho slightly
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 1 month ago '19        #4
Mental Illness  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x8
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I don't think that's a controversial take
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Top 10 most propped recently  1 month ago '19        #5
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 1 month ago '08        #6
Main Event  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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suffered from the fact that he’s played for 2 bad franchises,
So what have the Suns been since Nash dipped?

Book was putting up numbers better than Mitchell and Lavine every year prior to this year and people just downplayed them (empty stats galore) because we sucked. The situation and franchise sh*t never mattered to y'all

Dude goes to the finals as the 1st option now we gettin threads about n*ggas that have never been to the playoffs w/ better teams than Book ever had prior to this year bein better? Pick a lane
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 1 month ago '13        #7
Eazy123  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x18
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Booker > Lavine > Mitchell
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 1 month ago '13        #8
Eazy123  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x18
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 DirtyDan419 said
Booker better on D tho slightly
also a better playmaker
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 1 month ago '14        #9
Lurker 
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Made this thread in 2016 … I wish we could see the responses in old threads





I knew both would be elite players . I was on the Lavine wave back then…You can even check the polls results. let’s see what Lavine does with a roster now
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 1 month ago '18        #10
HoopLife88 
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He's not better than Booker
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 1 month ago '15        #11
Preacher Mane  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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A Lavine/Tatum debate should be had instead.
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 1 month ago '16        #12
Replicate45 
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BX is home to the prisoner of the moment viewers.

They will crown guys like Ayton/Booker being better than other players because their short term memory only allows them to process the moment not the overall trajectory of a player.

Lavine has never played with a CP3 type PG so he has not benefited from having a pure point guard. Never had a Monty type coach who is a player type coach yet he has shown improvement every season.

Booker fans will mention the 40 pt games but ignore and dismiss the chucker fg percentages. You mention game 3 and game 5 of the finals to them you hear all sorts of rebuttals.


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 1 month ago '17        #13
Shotty  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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No the fu*k he is not.He’s better as a role player than Booker yeah but not as the guy or as a Robin
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 1 month ago '08        #14
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 Replicate45 said
BX is home to the prisoner of the moment viewers.

They will crown guys like Ayton/Booker being better than other players because their short term memory only allows them to process the moment not the overall trajectory of a player.

Lavine has never played with a CP3 type PG so he has not benefited from having a pure point guard. Never had a Monty type coach who is a player type coach yet he has shown improvement every season.

Booker fans will mention the 40 pt games but ignore and dismiss the chucker fg percentages. You mention game 3 and game 5 of the finals to them you hear all sorts of rebuttals.
Book won more games w/ Rubio than any season in Lavines career.

The prisoner of the moment angle doesn't work here, this is Lavine's best statistical season, not Books
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 1 month ago '16        #15
Replicate45 
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 Main Event said
Book won more games w/ Rubio than any season in Lavines career.

The prisoner of the moment angle doesn't work here, this is Lavine's best statistical season, not Books
Name me one legit PG that Lavine has played during his career?
Other than Billy Donavan what other decent coach has he played under?

If Book is on the Bulls does he lead them to the playoffs in the East?

If Lavine is on the Suns do they mimic what they just did in the playoffs?
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 1 month ago '04        #16
CentsCuZ  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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Lavine's numbers have also been getting better every single year, except the first year with the Bulls (with the transition). For all we know, he could still be getting better despite already averaging 27-5-5 with great percentages from everywhere.
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 1 month ago '08        #17
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 Replicate45 said
Name me one legit PG that Lavine has played during his career?
Other than Billy Donavan what other decent coach has he played under?

If Book is on the Bulls does he lead them to the playoffs in the East?

If Lavine is on the Suns do they mimic what they just did in the playoffs?
Ricky Rubio... the same PG book had

Uhh Thibs just won COTY..I'm absolutely taking him over 1 and done Igor Kokosov and Earl Watson

Yes because he's a better player

No because he's not as good

Bonus: Book, Karl Towns, Ricky Rubio, and Wiggins win more than 31. Don't care how old he is
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 1 month ago '20        #18
I Know  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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Zach Lavine is worth $42 million plus per year.


 1 month ago '16        #19
MILLY  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 Eazy123 said
Booker > Lavine > Mitchell
Mitchell so underrated
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 1 month ago '15        #20
kami  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x6
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 Shotty said
No the fu*k he is not.Hes better as a role player than Booker yeah but not as the guy or as a Robin
Yall really dont know what role players are lol.
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 1 month ago '16        #21
Replicate45 
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 Main Event said
Ricky Rubio... the same PG book had

Uhh Thibs just won COTY..I'm absolutely taking him over 1 and done Igor Kokosov and Earl Watson

Yes because he's a better player

No because he's not as good

Bonus: Book, Karl Towns, Ricky Rubio, and Wiggins win more than 31. Don't care how old he is
Rubio is no way on CP3's level the fact you brought him up further highlights my point.

Big difference between 2019-2020 Rubio vs 2016/2017 Rubio
Rubio shot 30% from the field that 2016 season and was injury prone.
Rubio got injured that season and couldn't stay healthy.

Zach got drafted in 2014 Flip Saunders experimented with having him play PG when Rubio went down with an injury. Turned out to be a failed experiment.

Boylen was the coach for the Bulls before Donavan got the job. Boylen will most likely never coach in the NBA again he's the worse coach and makes Watson/Kokosov look great.

Funny how you downplay Watson but Booker was under his wing as a development coach before the got the head coach gig. Still shouts him out for improving his game.

So other than injured Rubio name me the decent/healthy PG Lavine has played with past 5 seasons? Name that coach who is at least similar to Monty?

 1 month ago '08        #22
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 Replicate45 said
Rubio is no way on CP3's level the fact you brought him up further highlights my point.

Big difference between 2019-2020 Rubio vs 2016/2017 Rubio
Rubio shot 30% from the field that 2016 season and was injury prone.
Rubio got injured that season and couldn't stay healthy.

Zach got drafted in 2014 Flip Saunders experimented with having him play PG when Rubio went down with an injury. Turned out to be a failed experiment.

Boylen was the coach for the Bulls before Donavan got the job. Boylen will most likely never coach in the NBA again he's the worse coach and makes Watson/Kokosov look great.

Funny how you downplay Watson but Booker was under his wing as a development coach before the got the head coach gig. Still shouts him out for improving his game.

So other than injured Rubio name me the decent/healthy PG Lavine has played with past 5 seasons? Name that coach who is at least similar to Monty?
Ricky Rubio is absolutely a legit PG, him not being Chris Paul doesn't negate that. Lavine walked onto a team w/ a player more talented than anyone Book played w/ prior to CP3.

Ricky shot the best he ever has playin w/ Book? Weird

You writing this novel and trying desperately to euro step it doesn't change the n*gga played w/ a 2 time COTY in Thibs. Earl Watson was a horrific NBA coach, him allowing Book to get 70 is why people have the negative narratives they have about him now


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 1 month ago '04        #23
Dash  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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If he’s better than he was last season, geesus. Now he got real weapons too.
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 1 month ago '15        #24
kami  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x6
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Dunno if his speed is underrated zach looks like an alien when he gets downhill. Nba is all politics the league choses who to market as the top players. Mitchell isn’t better than zach or his teammate DeRozan but disney set out the narrative.
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 1 month ago '04        #25
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Its not controversial, i was tellin my idiot friends this sh*t tonight. better at pretty much everything and his explosiveness allows him to play in transition a lot more. I think he has more ball skills too. AND he actually has more range than book
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