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Apr 17 - Moderate Democrats squirm as ‘defund the police’ rhetoric returns



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Apr 17 - Moderate Democrats squirm as ‘defund the police’ rhetoric returns
 

 
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Moderate and swing-district Democrats are squirming with the aggressive return of the Defund the Police rhetoric following the death of Daunte Wright at the hands of a Minnesota cop.

“There is always room for reforms and to do better, but defunding the police makes no sense,” New Jersey Democratic Rep. Josh Gottheimer told The Post. “I think more investment and training should be put in, things like cameras are something that law enforcement supports. But the idea that we should gut budgets for the sake of it is absurd.”

Gottheimer added that Democrats he knows in Congress support law enforcement and were “grateful” for their service.

Over the last week progressive lawmakers from safe districts have swung for the fences on the issue. “Squad” member Rep. Rashida Tlaib has led the charge. “No more policing, incarceration, and militarization. It can’t be reformed,” she said in a tweet Monday.

On Wednesday, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez chimed in: “Cameras, chokehold bans, ​retraining funds, and similar reform measures do not ultimately solve what is a systemic problem.”

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Cori Bush, a newly elected progressive Congresswoman from Missouri, said, “Remove police from traffic enforcement.”

Top Dems, including President Biden and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, have already moved to distance themselves from the issue. Republicans flipped 15 House seats in the 2020 elections and Democrats are bracing for an uphill battle to keep control of the chamber in 2022. Few have an appetite to play defense on defund, which polling suggests is supported by fewer than 1 in 5 Americans.

“Saying you want to defund just ends the conversation and shuts the door to so many people who could be on our side,” one staffer who worked on a losing 2020 Democratic House campaign told The Post. “We had to spend time, energy and resources refuting and rebutting attacks that were based on the words and actions of others.”

“It was not something that helped us,” the staffer said of the progressive agenda item contributing to the demise of his boss.

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Even fellow progressives are nervous about the renewed calls for defunding.

“The police should be focused on genuine police issues, and should be better paid and trained,” MIT professor and liberal icon Noam Chomsky told The Post. “As to whether it’s a good slogan now, probably not. Too much distortion. The important message has been obscured and falsified.”

“Defund the police” — and its even more radical cousin “abolish the police” — became a rallying cry for the progressive left in the wake of the death of George Floyd in the custody of Minneapolis cops last May.

Amid a summer of race riots and looting, city governments across the country moved to acquiesce to protester demands. In New York, longtime pro-police pols like City Council Speaker Corey Johnson turned on a dime, demanding deep cuts to the NYPD.

Some municipalities went further. Minneapolis lawmakers voted to completely dismantle their police force in favor of a more “holistic” approach.

“We committed to dismantling policing as we know it in the city of Minneapolis and to rebuild with our community a new model of public safety that actually keeps our community safe,” Council President Lisa Bender told CNN in June 2020.

Crime swiftly surged, and the department has since spent $6.4 million to hire new police officers.

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 3 weeks ago '06        #2
wario101 
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There you have it. Democrats will back the police despite police showing incompetence over and over agian.
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 3 weeks ago '18        #3
ether  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x2
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Goat dumb slogan
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 3 weeks ago '17        #4
EvanDaGawd 
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Uninformed and uneducated folks look at a police budget and freak the fu*k out because its so high. However, the biggest majority of most police budget is paying out lawsuits.

Anyone who thinks defunding the police is a good idea is a fu*king idiot.

Should they be better trained? Of course. Should there be reforms? Absolutely.

But getting rid of the police is gonna hurt crime riddled communities, not help them.
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 3 weeks ago '04        #5
abstractq 
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 EvanDaGawd said
Uninformed and uneducated folks look at a police budget and freak the fu*k out because its so high. However, the biggest majority of most police budget is paying out lawsuits.

Anyone who thinks defunding the police is a good idea is a fu*king idiot.

Should they be better trained? Of course. Should there be reforms? Absolutely.

But getting rid of the police is gonna hurt crime riddled communities, not help them.
it will help them if you divert resources to things that help. . .

Defunding the police doesnt mean getting rid of the police altogether, it means reducing the amount of funds they get to give to things that actually help people

and ima need a citation for this claim that the majority of police budgets are lawsuits

the majority of policy budgets are salaries and pensions


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 3 weeks ago '12        #6
TrillSwag  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 ether said
Goat dumb slogan
Big facts. Almost makes you think it was started by the opposition. Disarm the police would have been 100x more effective. Defund the police sounds like some radical a*s dystopia sh*t. If you have to explain your motto it’s most likely a terrible one.
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 3 weeks ago '20        #7
B Dotel 
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The person behind that slogan just bought a mansion lol

 3 weeks ago '17        #8
livewire93 
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 TrillSwag said
Big facts. Almost makes you think it was started by the opposition. Disarm the police would have been 100x more effective. Defund the police sounds like some radical a*s dystopia sh*t. If you have to explain your motto it’s most likely a terrible one.
100% some sh*t you would see from controlled opposition. You crazy if you not even considering the possibility that a COINTELPRO operation is being directed towards the movement (not you specifically).

The OG BLM sued FBI and DHS like 4 years ago over warrantless surveillance.

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 3 weeks ago '07        #9
strongthetruth  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x4
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 EvanDaGawd said
Uninformed and uneducated folks look at a police budget and freak the fu*k out because its so high. However, the biggest majority of most police budget is paying out lawsuits.

Anyone who thinks defunding the police is a good idea is a fu*king idiot.

Should they be better trained? Of course. Should there be reforms? Absolutely.

But getting rid of the police is gonna hurt crime riddled communities, not help them.
I really don’t care about the funds one way or the other but if you think these k*llings happen because they aren’t properly trained or trained enough you’re clueless. These are mental and emotional issues. Money and training isn’t going to change that.
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 3 weeks ago '12        #10
TrillSwag  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 livewire93 said
100% some sh*t you would see from controlled opposition. You crazy if you not even considering the possibility that a COINTELPRO operation is being directed towards the movement (not you specifically).

The OG BLM sued FBI and DHS like 4 years ago over warrantless surveillance.

Exactly. They were using all types of facial recognition and building databases on people during the George Floyd protest as well. They literally had drones in the sky surveilling everyone .
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 3 weeks ago '17        #11
EvanDaGawd 
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 abstractq said
it will help them if you divert resources to things that help. . .

Defunding the police doesnt mean getting rid of the police altogether, it means reducing the amount of funds they get to give to things that actually help people

and ima need a citation for this claim that the majority of police budgets are lawsuits

the majority of policy budgets are salaries and pensions
If things are really going to be changed, there needs to be criminal justice reform. It should not be profitable to jail people. However in America that is the case. That effect just trickles down to law enforcement.



LA spent nearly a BILLION dollars on lawsuits from 2015-2018.
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 3 weeks ago '16        #12
kuul  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x11
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Its hard being accountable. Maybe dont defund the police and go to eye for an eye until we sort this sh*t out
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Top 10 most slapped recently  3 weeks ago '20        #13
Fianchetto 
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 B Dotel said
The person behind that slogan just bought a mansion lol
Defund BLM
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 3 weeks ago '18        #14
Bwonder 
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Again defund the police is a statement that describes the shrinking of police budgets. Back when this floated around I posted the police got 40% of the budget in Charlotte with economic development getting 0.9% housing and neighborhood services getting 2.8%. Now you don’t have to be a stable genius to see the police is getting way too much, when that money could be spent on economic development which would drive crime rates down. Yeah you going to get some clowns who just going to commit crimes but the vast majority of people will work a honest days work. Take that money and help the people all they asking for.
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 3 weeks ago '05        #15
youngvito18 
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 wario101 said
There you have it. Democrats will back the police despite police showing incompetence over and over agian.
man fu*k a dumb slogan

I want to know what these pikticiansy have done in the last 12 months to help those affected by police corruption

n*ggas tired of talk, either pass laws to change sh*t ir shut the fluck up
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 3 weeks ago '04        #16
abstractq 
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 EvanDaGawd said
If things are really going to be changed, there needs to be criminal justice reform. It should not be profitable to jail people. However in America that is the case. That effect just trickles down to law enforcement.



LA spent nearly a BILLION dollars on lawsuits from 2015-2018.
thats not the majority of their budget. . .

like i said most policing dollars go to salaries and pensions


EDIT: LMAO i read the article and the stat from LA is from 2005-2018 not 2015-2018. And thats all lawsuits paid out from the entire city, not just police. Police was 40% of that total

you not slick hahah. . .


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 3 weeks ago '05        #17
Truth33 
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Most of you don’t even have jobs to pay taxes...not sure why you’re worried about where the fund go
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 3 weeks ago '04        #18
abstractq 
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 Truth33 said
Most of you don’t even have jobs to pay taxes...not sure why you’re worried about where the fund go
n*gga if you buy anything you pay sales tax which goes into the city/state budget

wtf are you talking about?
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 3 weeks ago '05        #19
Truth33 
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 abstractq said
n*gga if you buy anything you pay sales tax which goes into the city/state budget

wtf are you talking about?
Wrong. Police are typically funded by property taxes.
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 3 weeks ago '04        #20
abstractq 
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 Truth33 said
Wrong. Police are typically funded by property taxes.
lmao

once again ima need a citation for that. . .you n*ggas playing way too loosely with facts these days

Police budgets come from federal funds, state funds and city funds. . .property taxes are in there, but lets not pretend part of that isnt gonna be general fund dollars that the state raises


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 3 weeks ago '07        #21
strongthetruth  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x4
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 Fianchetto said
Defund BLM
That honestly wouldn’t affect us because most of us have no clue who or wtf it is or what it is they do for the Black Community. White people are just as clueless as well so they make up all kind of sh*t about it lol. Actually hilarious to see y’all pissed off about some phantom organization


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 3 weeks ago '20        #22
Xiox  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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The talk of defunding the military or law enforcement which protects white americans will never fly in america . We need legislation to stop the policing for profits , end cilvil forfeiture & qualified immunity , coppers need to do cop work & stop hiding around corners stopping citizens to bring in revenues for cities .


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Top 10 most slapped recently  3 weeks ago '20        #23
Fianchetto 
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 strongthetruth said
That honestly wouldn’t affect us because most of us have no clue who or wtf it is or what it is they do for the Black Community. White people are just as clueless as well so they make up all kind of sh*t about it lol. Actually hilarious to see y’all pissed off about some phantom organization
Who's pissed off?

What a fiction you just created out of thin air.
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 3 weeks ago '04        #24
Chokeabiish 
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Here is a quick historical summary of the police. Opinions are not facts. Defund and reform the police.

- 1800s they had "slave watchers" for police in the south to strike fear into the slaves and make sure no revolts happen.
- 1900s more cops added called "strike breakers" for the poor white people working for crumbs would obey police officers.
- Around the same time they added "state police" to suppress the local immigrants and non "native" protestant white men who ran ran it.
- in 1929 the wickersham commision was made by the president and recommended police be completely reformed but it was not.
- 1950s a white man named o.w Wilson came out with a book named " Police Administration" which was the policing bible untill "taylorzation" was made. Quote from book "military-style
organization and discipline" and first stop and frisk law which specified for minorities are made.
- 1980s "community policing" was introduced and is still practiced by having over 800,000 sworn in police officers in the USA.






 3 weeks ago '15        #25
lil thou wow  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 Bwonder said
Again defund the police is a statement that describes the shrinking of police budgets. Back when this floated around I posted the police got 40% of the budget in Charlotte with economic development getting 0.9% housing and neighborhood services getting 2.8%. Now you don’t have to be a stable genius to see the police is getting way too much, when that money could be spent on economic development which would drive crime rates down. Yeah you going to get some clowns who just going to commit crimes but the vast majority of people will work a honest days work. Take that money and help the people all they asking for.
Mean while they signed a contract and copped a iron yard for a new stadium too and agree to refund the rent up until the day of the new stadium

Charlotte is a*s backwards lmao

All this gentrification making ppl shoot each other

Only but so many places that’s NC affordable



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