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Hip Hop Lesson For Those Born After 1985


 


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 14 years ago '04        #26
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 datkid72 said
i think this whole argument is funny. everyone always thinks that the music of their youth (or older music) is better then the stuff out now. i talk to my parents and they say all the r&b groups out now have nothing on the people back then. i talk to my older brother and he says biggie has nothing on slick rick. 10 - 15 years from now people will be saying nobody makes music like 50 did back in the 00's. this whole thread is a generational thing not a music thing. but i do agree with you on the all artist with lil in their name are garbage (except for lil wayane).



People will not be saying "no body makes music like 50", they might be saying "no one is as big of a bi*ch as 50", but not "no body makes music like 50". Im sorry but In my opinion if you think 50 is really that good and think people will be saying how amazing he was in 10-15 years, you need to learn what real hip hop is because 50 isnt it

 14 years ago '04        #27
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This is some silly sh*t here this is just puttin a list of the rappers that you like and dont like . And which you think are cool and arent thats like me saying EPMD is real hip hop and the Beastie Boys arent .And when did groups begin to define a culture ? Thats how "hip hop" was always described to me . You might not like all the new sh*t but its a part of the culture .

 14 years ago '05        #28
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what defines hiphop nowadays is the question, its growing and as it does change always happens

so now wouldnt you say a def. of hiphop would be an original lyricist who's words connect like water?

because if thats the case than mad mc's could be considered hiphop that's in this thread

because this is judged on content,not word & flow

 14 years ago '05        #29
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if thats the case then hip hop would be

50 cent
d-block most definitly
lil wayne
b.g.
busta rymes


common is kinda weak to me,i like his music & all but most times i dont wanna be hearin that fluffy puff,rightous music especially if you in the club


& tupac was like a poet,he really was better than biggie only because he broadened his vocab

but id still rather hear big k!ll a track about bi*ches & hoes


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 14 years ago '05        #30
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 lilsnatch770 said
People will not be saying "no body makes music like 50", they might be saying "no one is as big of a bi*ch as 50", but not "no body makes music like 50". Im sorry but In my opinion if you think 50 is really that good and think people will be saying how amazing he was in 10-15 years, you need to learn what real hip hop is because 50 isnt it
see your missing my point, im not a big 50 fan, i just used his name because like it or not he is the current face of hip-hop. what i was trying to say is that people always like to romanticize the past (i.e. their youth). and that no matter what type of music you listen to people will always say that the old sh*t is better.


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 14 years ago '04        #31
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 LBoogie2122 said
if thats the case then hip hop would be

50 cent
d-block most definitly
lil wayne
b.g.
busta rymes


common is kinda weak to me,i like his music & all but most times i dont wanna be hearin that fluffy puff,rightous music especially if you in the club


& tupac was like a poet,he really was better than biggie only because he broadened his vocab

but id still rather hear big k!ll a track about bi*ches & hoes
how is common weak, yeah sure nobody wants to be hearing most of his sh*t in clubs but then ur saying artists like mos def and kweli are also weak cuz they dont make club bangers/????

 14 years ago '05        #32
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na common's nice but he's not my fav mc, i mean this thread is based on content & its really sayin that those mindless tracks ppl bump to that dont really have to have meanin aint hip hop which just aint true

ie:rappers delight

 14 years ago '04        #33
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 LBoogie2122 said
na common's nice but he's not my fav mc, i mean this thread is based on content & its really sayin that those mindless tracks ppl bump to that dont really have to have meanin aint hip hop which just aint true

ie:rappers delight
they dont have a real hiphop meaning though. their meaning is "gimme ur fu*king money and bump my sh*t in clubs"

its different if their 1 single is a club banger and the rest of the cd is a nice lyrical masterpiece of perfected beats with the perfect lyrics. there is NO reason 50 cent or any other artist should be making an entire full length lp of unlyrical club banging tracks, even lil jons crunk juice had some nice lyrical content

 14 years ago '05        #34
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so where would you put lets say uncle luke or ll cool j in hiphop?

cause they basically talkin bout 1 thing


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 05-30-2005, 10:40 AM         #35
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 VirginiaHustler said
You kids are for the most part morons when it comes to distinguishing music from crap, so I have taken the responsibility to break it down for you. If it doesn't apply to you and you have what I like to call "common sense" please help out the slower students.



Lesson for today: "Hip- Hop" and "Not Hip-Hop"


1. Common is Hip Hop


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2. Mike Jones is not


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3. Nas is hip hop


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4. Anybody wih "lil" in their name is not (ex. lil webbie)


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5. Jay-Z is hip hop


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6. Gucci Mane isn't even close...


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7. De La Soul and A tribe Called Quest are examples of hip hop groups


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8. G Unit and Tru are not examples of hip hop groups....


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I could do this for a while but you should see where I'm going with this. I'm not hating on any of the aforementioned rapper(s) as I can't be mad at them for taking advantage of their opportunity, thats the american way. But for your own saftey, know what is hip hop and what is not.
Thanks, I was born in 1986. But all I know is...
Rap>Hip Hop


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 14 years ago '05        #36
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master p gets no love?

then why does jay z?


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 14 years ago '04        #37
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 LBoogie2122 said
so where would you put lets say uncle luke or ll cool j in hiphop?

in the trash, watch brown sugar, they show what hiphop is

50 cent is the equivalent to that dalmation group, too bad not many people like Dre have the balls to drop a decision like he did and come out with a truely talented hiphop label

people like 50cent, nelly, chingy ect sure theyre great for the clubs. i know deep down they have some lyrical skill but their CDs do NOT show that. they make a full length 15track+ LP with all club bangers and featurings and retarded skits.

if 50 made that 1 or 2 club bangers and had great lyrics on the rest of the CD, id have no problem.

then u got labels making these guys out to be the greatest thing in hiphop it doesnt help either

 14 years ago '05        #38
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seems to me dre made alot of money promoting beef in the rap industry throughout the times, i couldnt see 50 rollin with noone else

 14 years ago '04        #39
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 LBoogie2122 said
seems to me dre made alot of money promoting beef in the rap industry throughout the times, i couldnt see 50 rollin with noone else
i meant Dre from the movie brown sugar. he dropped from his label cuz they were putting out music that wasnt defining what grew up hiphop to be. it was gimmick-hop. white and black dude and their name were the dalmations. he had a enuff of this sh*t and found a nice MC played by mos def and he wanted to sign him so he made his own label

thats not the entire plot but w/e u get the jist

 14 years ago '05        #40
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but the sh*t that bumps in the clubs is HIP HOP. the chinggys and nellys make up a segment of hip-hop music, just like eric sermon and keith murray do.

*saying something isnt hip hop because you can dance to it = retarded*

 14 years ago '04        #41
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 datkid72 said
but the sh*t that bumps in the clubs is HIP HOP. the chinggys and nellys make up a segment of hip-hop music, just like eric sermon and keith murray do.

*saying something isnt hip hop because you can dance to it = retarded*

ok ur missing the point. at one point, lyrics meant something, and now they dont mean sh*t because the artists realize people will gobble it up with a catchy hook and a nice beat without anything else. u know what its missing, substance.

gimme 1 reason why 50 cent, nelly ect cant make a semi lyrical song with that club banging beat and catchy hook

 14 years ago '05        #42
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<<<<<<you kno i never seen brown suger?

is that like never seeing roots? or the color purple?


but anyways i think mc's today have more potential to get more personal on their tracks but its for the cheese nowadays so they produce sh*t that sells

 14 years ago '05        #43
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 Sabotage said
ok ur missing the point. at one point, lyrics meant something, and now they dont mean sh*t because the artists realize people will gobble it up with a catchy hook and a nice beat without anything else. u know what its missing, substance.

gimme 1 reason why 50 cent, nelly ect cant make a semi lyrical song with that club banging beat and catchy hook
because thats not what they are about as artists. if you want lyrical content listen to hi-tek, if you want to dance listen to nelly.

either way they are both hip hop artists


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 14 years ago '04        #44
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 LBoogie2122 said
<<<<<<you kno i never seen brown suger?

is that like never seeing roots? or the color purple?


but anyways i think mc's today have more potential to get more personal on their tracks but its for the cheese nowadays so they produce sh*t that sells
naw it aint on roots or color purple love level but still worth seeing

but what u said in that last sentence hits this movie head on. its all about the sell out or real hiphop, the beginning it shows break dancing, slick rick ect

but it has another underlying plot in a love story for this girl sinaa lathan. its a good movie, id reccomend it plus sinaa is nice looking and so is nicole ari parker


because thats not what they are about as artists. if you want lyrical content listen to hi-tek, if you want to dance listen to nelly.

either way they are both hip hop artists
but see, these artists were once that, they could have a decent record that wasnt completely garbage with the exception of chingy lol. dude should just stop.

i figure they see the $$$$$$ and realize they got no more lyrics to talk about. for example look at eminem, he cant talk about his mom anymore, sh*ts ran dry. cant talk about benzino or ja rule so u see what comes of that, songs like

my balls
ass like that
rain man ect

eminem had that one funny song to get listeners and the rest of his CD was actually nice, MMLP and sslp that is. now, he has 3 songs top that are decent to listen to


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 05-30-2005, 11:04 AM         #45
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Honestly, lyrics isn't first on my list unless I was laying down in bed at night listening to some Joe Budden or Common imagining I wrote that sh*t. I really don't care about lyrics THAT much, but they do have a meaning.
But what yall don't understand is what yall think is bad lyrics up north, is good lyrics to us down south. And what yall think is good production up north, is garbage lullaby's to us down south. We live what they live down here so respect them.

I aint speakin for all the southerners, but thats my lil opinion.


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 05-30-2005, 11:06 AM         #46
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A book could be written on this debate, I agreed with what a lot of you said and disagreed with some of it. I'm not hating on anyone, but let's be real about one thing. A large majority of rappers today are just plain terrible. But being smart marketers, they appeal to a younger target audience by throwing in some strippers and a 300c, and you got every 15 year old glued to the tv and reciting their sing-song hooks at school the next day. I like b00ty and whips as much as the next man, but it don't impress me. Impress me with what you got to say.

(hip-Hop) (n) - A person or group that has a passion about their craft. Able to paint pictures using only words and metaphors, a modern day poet. Not in it for the money, but rather plays for the love of the game.


(not hip hop) (n) - A person or group who is unskillful with words, will often use shiny jewlery and women and/ cameos or catchy beats to cover up their lack of any message or skills. Very c*cky until placed into the company of an actual rapper. Will employ the "new hot thing" to make a quick buck, not concerned with the quality of their product

1. Rakim is hip hop


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2. Trilville is not Hip Hop


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3. The Gza is hip hop


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4. Pitbull is not hip hop


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5. Ludacris is hip hop


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6. Pall Wall is not hip hop


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7. Scarface is hip hop


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8. Will Smith s not hip hop


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 14 years ago '05        #47
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yeah i also respect all the opinions on this thread, and i understand people's fustrations with artists who changed their style up to make some $$$ (nelly, eminem, etc.) if thats were your comming from i feel ya.

but i still stand by the fact that hip-hop is a broad genere with many different artists comming at you in different ways. i also feel that to brand one thing hip hop and something else not is wrong.

 05-30-2005, 11:15 AM         #48
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i hate generalization. i was born afta 85 and i already knew that sh*t u posted brotha man. u need to post this up around the hood cuz when i tell ppl common is the man they say im stupid.

 14 years ago '05        #49
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will smith was one of the 1st to actually smarten up & broaden his sh*t, when he 1st broke out he was very original & his tracks were funny & good, you sayin will smith aint hiphop makers me wonder if YOU were born b4 '85

 05-30-2005, 11:29 AM         #50
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^^^^Real rap thread is here^^^

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