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Lord God  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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Dec 2 - Yo Trump stans... Please answer this simple question Re: Ukraine
 

 

If he holds these deep-seated views of Ukraine, why would he ask such a corrupt country to investigate an American (let alone believe their findings)?
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 2 weeks ago '18        #2
Blaffy 
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 2 weeks ago '15        #3
PineappleOG 
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These sycophants can’t admit their dad did wrong, they praise him more than their own father, musta been fathered by a bunch of beta males. The problem with society is liberty for all let’s all betas flourish when they need to be k*lled out
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 2 weeks ago '18        #4
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The answer is most of the Trump sycophants are really foreign bots and stormfront/4chan/incel/cul-de-sac trolls.

Through that paradigm, it's really easy to understand they're leveraging the internet to sow discord in a generally shockingly effective fashion.

The great thing about BX is: these fools regularly get told to get the fu*k outta here and they get roasted. Obviously, if someone has a cogent argument, it can be intelligently debated by those who care to.

So, short answer: You won't get a 'real' answer. Which proves your point.

Edit:

Seriously though, some of the dumbest sh*t I've ever read in my life has come from these Trump trolls and it's comedic gold (for me).


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 2 weeks ago '04        #5
gh3tto 
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 Lord God said


If he holds these deep-seated views of Ukraine, why would he ask such a corrupt country to investigate an American (let alone believe their findings)?
of course we all know this is just a hastily conceived story but trumps hate for ukraine is real. trumps daddy putin is f*ghting ukraine and told his bi*ch that ukraine was talking sh*t about him being a fat orange ghoul piece of sh*t



but really its true ukraine didnt want trump and its b.c hes a pro russia oligarch in training


 2 weeks ago '16        #6
OWPE 
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 Lord God said


If he holds these deep-seated views of Ukraine, why would he ask such a corrupt country to investigate an American (let alone believe their findings)?
He didn't ask to investigate Biden, he was asking bout Crowdstrike. Remember when the DNC said Russia hacked their server, but didn't let the FBI see it? And they let a Ukrianian company called crowdstrike view it?

And lets not forget, the president of Ukraine before the new guy showed up, was working to HELP Hillary Clinton. Maybe that has something to do with it too. Trump wants to make sure that isn't happening now that HE WON.




Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Article Date 01/11/2017 05:05 AM EST

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.






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 2 weeks ago '13        #7
DiegoRivera  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x4
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Lemme speak for them, it's actually pretty simple.

Trump pushed Ukraine to investigate the Bidens because the Bidens did something wrong, then just hours later he held up the aid because he claims he didn't trust Zelenkiy, who during that entire block of time was full on getting ready to announce an investigation into the Bidens on CNN, but Trump says he didn't trust him, but Trump hired him over his own intelligence agencies to investigate an American political rival, then as soon as that plan became public Ukraine got their aid because Trump says he trusts Ukraine now, but he says they meddled in our election and tried to take him down, but he trusts them, and he doesn't trust every intelligence agency that says Russia meddled in the election, but he trusts Putin, and Putin k*lled Ukranians while the aid was held up because he is at war with them, and it was held up because Trump says he didn't trust Ukraine, but he trusts Putin, and every intelligence agency says Putin interfered in our election and is planning to this election, and Trump was looking to investigate his top political rival in this election, but he doesn't trust the foreign government he wanted to do the investigating.

It's fu*king simple bro.
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 2 weeks ago '11        #8
Rufus III 
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Can't expect a logical answer from fascists
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 2 weeks ago '16        #9
OWPE 
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 DiegoRivera said
Lemme speak for them, it's actually pretty simple.

Trump pushed Ukraine to investigate the Bidens because the Bidens did something wrong, then just hours later he held up the aid because he claims he didn't trust Zelenkiy, who during that entire block of time was full on getting ready to announce an investigation into the Bidens on CNN, but Trump says he didn't trust him, but Trump hired him over his own intelligence agencies to investigate an American political rival, then as soon as that plan became public Ukraine got their aid because Trump says he trusts Ukraine now, but he says they meddled in our election and tried to take him down, but he trusts them, and he doesn't trust every intelligence agency that says Russia meddled in the election, but he trusts Putin, and Putin k*lled Ukranians while the aid was held up because he is at war with them, and it was held up because Trump says he didn't trust Ukraine, but he trusts Putin, and every intelligence agency says Putin interfered in our election and is planning to this election, and Trump was looking to investigate his top political rival in this election, but he doesn't trust the foreign government he wanted to do the investigating.

It's fu*king simple bro.
So just like the Russia/Trump fake news collusion you believed in, you have no evidence for that, and you also have no evidence for this fake new story you made up?

No investigation was launched, no money withheld, no announcement on CNN or public from Ukraine.

The struggle is real.




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 2 weeks ago '17        #10
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 PineappleOG said
These sycophants can’t admit their dad did wrong, they praise him more than their own father, musta been fathered by a bunch of beta males. The problem with society is liberty for all let’s all betas flourish when they need to be k*lled out
we live in an age of anti-intellectualism and the notion of perspective shaping reality is at an all time high.

Its the collective ethos of this nation collapsing on itself. It's like you said in the maxim of "liberty for all" enabling people to have uninformed, dangerous opinions on things that will go largely unregulated on the guise of "well it's just their opinion".

It's hard not to be a black hearted misanthrope in times like these.
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 2 weeks ago '19        #11
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 2 weeks ago '13        #12
DiegoRivera  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x4
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 OWPE said
So just like the Russia/Trump fake news collusion you believed in, you have no evidence for that, and you also have no evidence for this fake new story you made up?

No investigation was launched, no money withheld, no announcement on CNN or public from Ukraine.

The struggle is real.



He what's up lil fella. You just keep on bein a lil cutie, huh? You're doing so good.

Goooooood

Just a goooood boy, aren't you?

All you wanted was a lil attention, huh?

Lil fella just wanted some attention

 2 weeks ago '10        #13
Bandito 
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 OWPE said
He didn't ask to investigate Biden, he was asking bout Crowdstrike. Remember when the DNC said Russia hacked their server, but didn't let the FBI see it? And they let a Ukrianian company called crowdstrike view it?

And lets not forget, the president of Ukraine before the new guy showed up, was working to HELP Hillary Clinton. Maybe that has something to do with it too. Trump wants to make sure that isn't happening now that HE WON.




Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Article Date 01/11/2017 05:05 AM EST

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.




You didn't read that whole article you quoted. It has been incorrectly interpreted by trump followers

The Senate interview largely focused on a POLITICO article published in January 2017 [The article you posted], according to a person with direct knowledge of the closed-door hearing, in which Chalupa was quoted as saying officials at the Ukrainian Embassy were "helpful" to her effort to raise the alarm about Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort in 2016.

“If I asked a question, they would provide guidance, or if there was someone I needed to follow up with," she said at the time. She cautioned, however, that the embassy was “very careful” not to get involved politically because of the bipartisan support Ukraine has traditionally enjoyed from U.S. lawmakers. As the POLITICO article noted, there was “little evidence” of a “top-down effort” by the Ukraianian government to sabotage Trump’s campaign. And the article did not allege that Poroshenko “actively worked” for Clinton, as Kennedy claimed.
Senate panel look into Ukraine interference comes up short (12/2/19)


That was a Republican-led Senate committee looking into Ukraine interference in 2016 and they didn't find anything.

 2 weeks ago '19        #14
Stand Down  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 OWPE said
So just like the Russia/Trump fake news collusion you believed in, you have no evidence for that, and you also have no evidence for this fake new story you made up?

No investigation was launched, no money withheld, no announcement on CNN or public from Ukraine.

The struggle is real.




How was trump able 2 resolve those corruption issues he was so worried about in the first place?

he holds money for corruption issues and Ukraine did what exactly in those few weeks about corruption for him 2 release the aid?

Nothing?

Why was the aid held and released in the first place if Ukraine didn’t act on his request 2 do more about corruption


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 2 weeks ago '10        #15
Bandito 
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 Stand Down said
How was trump able 2 resolve those corruption issues he was so worried about in the first place?

he holds money for corruption issues and Ukraine did what exactly in those few weeks about corruption for him 2 release the aid?

Nothing?

Why was the aid held and released in the first place if Ukraine didn’t act on his request 2 do more about corruption
trump never stopped trying to extort Ukraine. The State Department was pushing the money through without trump's input.

President Donald Trump says he lifted his freeze on aid to Ukraine on Sept. 11, but the State Department had quietly authorized releasing $141 million of the money several days earlier, according to five people familiar with the matter.

The State Department decision, which hasn’t been reported previously, stemmed from a legal finding made earlier in the year, and conveyed in a classified memorandum to Secretary of State Michael Pompeo.*State Department lawyers found the White House Office of Management and Budget, and thus the president, had no legal standing to block spending of the Ukraine aid.
The State Department legal office even sent a memo to Pompeo.

The memo to Pompeo had determined that State had the authority to spend the money -- regardless of what Trump was saying through the OMB -- and would start the process by Sept. 7.
Congress had been asking why Ukraine hadn't got the funds since late August. The State Department told them this.

Congressional appropriators were frustrated when their inquiry on Aug. 29 about the status of the State Department funds was greeted by silence. Days passed and on Sept. 9, when they asked again, the State Department’s Legislative Affairs office told them there was no hold on the $141 million, according to a person familiar with the matter.
John Bolton was also in on this. He said he didn't want to get caught in any "drug deals" Mulvaney and Sondland was setting up.

shortly before Sept. 9, Bolton had relayed a message to the State Department that the funding could go ahead.
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Bolton’s handling of the funding struck officials in the White House as violating protocol and caught Mulvaney (OMB) by surprise
trump claims he released the money on September 11.

Notice to Congress that the $141 million was being released was sent early on Sept. 11, hours before Trump said he personally made the decision to lift the freeze. All of those events undermine Trump’s account.

Speaking to reporters last month, Trump said he was persuaded to release the money in a phone call that day with Republican Senator Rob Portman of Ohio.

“He called up, ‘Please let the money go,’” Trump said. “I said ‘Rob, I hate being the country that’s always giving money. He said, ‘You know what? But it’s important …’ I gave the money because Rob Portman and others called me and asked. But I don’t like to be the sucker, and European countries are helped far more than we are.
That's grade A bullsh*t right there.


Bill Taylor also talked about this in his original behind closed doors testimony

Taylor, the envoy to Ukraine, said in his testimony that it was remarkable that the legal offices at the State and Defense departments had decided “they were going to move forward with this a*sistance anyway, OMB notwithstanding.”

“I don’t know if they’ve ever done that before,” Taylor said. “This was a big decision for them.”


trump and has people in the OMB never gave up trying to withhold the funds.

So, when trump followers say Ukraine got the money and that means trump didn't try to leverage them with funding that is a lie.


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 2 weeks ago '12        #16
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 OWPE said
He didn't ask to investigate Biden, he was asking bout Crowdstrike. Remember when the DNC said Russia hacked their server, but didn't let the FBI see it? And they let a Ukrianian company called crowdstrike view it?

And lets not forget, the president of Ukraine before the new guy showed up, was working to HELP Hillary Clinton. Maybe that has something to do with it too. Trump wants to make sure that isn't happening now that HE WON.




Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Article Date 01/11/2017 05:05 AM EST

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clintonís allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.




Crowdstrike is a American company idiot. And they were the host of the DNC servers. DNC didnít give them access. And if the latest GOP talking point is true and Ukraine meddled to cheat Trump. Why would a corrupt country expose their own wrongdoing?

And what kind of investigation that has any credibility is announced before it starts? And why was Trump so focused on the public statement?
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we live in an age of anti-intellectualism and the notion of perspective shaping reality is at an all time high.

Its the collective ethos of this nation collapsing on itself. It's like you said in the maxim of "liberty for all" enabling people to have uninformed, dangerous opinions on things that will go largely unregulated on the guise of "well it's just their opinion".

It's hard not to be a black hearted misanthrope in times like these.
sh*ts ridiculous tho we got leningrad lindsey out here talkin bout didnt watch didnt read



these are the elected officials whos job is to juror in the impeachment and without ever seeing any evidence he exonerated the orange blob in chief


what a repugnant bastard

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 QdobaCasanova said
we live in an age of anti-intellectualism and the notion of perspective shaping reality is at an all time high.

Its the collective ethos of this nation collapsing on itself. It's like you said in the maxim of "liberty for all" enabling people to have uninformed, dangerous opinions on things that will go largely unregulated on the guise of "well it's just their opinion".

It's hard not to be a black hearted misanthrope in times like these.
This is one of the best ways to put it. Stupid stuff like this is why religion has had to be followed with its dogmatic absolutes. Because if truth is purely subjective, then we have no foundations to stand on, which means everything enter nihil which is why I often tell these people they are passive nihilists

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 OWPE said
He didn't ask to investigate Biden, he was asking bout Crowdstrike. Remember when the DNC said Russia hacked their server, but didn't let the FBI see it? And they let a Ukrianian company called crowdstrike view it?

And lets not forget, the president of Ukraine before the new guy showed up, was working to HELP Hillary Clinton. Maybe that has something to do with it too. Trump wants to make sure that isn't happening now that HE WON.




Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Article Date 01/11/2017 05:05 AM EST

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clintonís allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.




Oh word? You still think crowdstrike is in the Ukraine? Crowdstrike is in California. Also the RNC currently has an account with crowdstrike too.



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