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 05-20-2005, 04:21 AM         #51
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 Lettaz said
Funny sh*t is tho....Word is Suge holla's @ Bmf Now for some "help" now...This what k!ll's me....n*ggas scream 50 cent's is snitch...cuz of what he said on records about murder Inc....BUT 2pac did the EXACT same thing and n*ggas dont say he's a snitch....


And Bmf & Atl n*ggas is newbies????.....Let me explain somethin' to you and any REAL STREET n*gga will co-sign it....(Ask BackBlock OG if sh*t im sayin' is False).....As Much Money & Power them n*ggas hold ACROSS the Country do u really think dem n*ggas is NEWBIES?????....The n*gga Meech aint even from ATL....He just been there since '89....The n*gga is from Detriot...Yeah Bmf is DEEP IN DETRIOT.....and Black Mafia ....and Black Mafia Family.....You do the math n*gga 2 + 2 = 4 right?


and Bmf is all across the country n*gga....and been around probably longer than anybody on this site has been born
it was me who ASKED whether BMF was new to the game as I've never heard of em until the last year or so. There's no need to get your panties in a twist. I'm from the UK so i'm asking what the fu*k is up. People over here have heard of the black mafia in new york but none of these Meech / BMF etc.

People having an intelligent discussion in here bredda, no need to act all hard and sh*t, it doesn't impress anyone here homie.

 05-20-2005, 06:42 AM         #52
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 Lettaz said
n*gga Run a Search on BLACK MAFIA.....and then re-think the sh*t u saying about NOBODY CAN TOUCH HIM

yea Dog, did my research, these dudes is serious and they got dough, but they don't hold a candle compared to what Suge was doing in 94,95 and around them times.

Suge was a don and even dudes in prison were suge when they heard his name, one dude spoke about it in his book that he wrote from prison.

These dudes didn't and don't have more paper than Suge and weren't as dangerous.

LA is a whole different set a nuccaz than ATL & NY, remember that.

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 05-20-2005, 07:04 AM         #53
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 logicalkid said

LA is a whole different set a nuccaz than ATL & NY, remember that.

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very true...

 14 years ago '05        #54
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The whole beef with Tupac and Nas started over that beat on "Street Dreams". Somebody said the name of the song earlier but Tupac had already used the beat on the album before. That's how that started and he always felt Nas was dissing him on, "The Message"

The opening lines go

Fake Thug, no love
you get the slugs...

and then in the song he goes on about getting shot and going gettin checked out from the hospital the same night. Nas wasn't actually going around saying he got shot(to the dude he said that). Everybody knows he's a tells stories in his raps.

And as far as them two squashing the beef at the mtv awards. There is like 96 different versions of that story. I actually think Nas is telling the truth though. Because even the Outlawz(who probably the closest people to pac then) said it was true. If you go to some of Tupac websites they say the same thing. The beef was squashed.


But yeah the '94 shooting was kind of a setup. I remember reading a few years back that one of the main reason why he got shot up is because one of them dudes from the Black Mafia was trying to get Pac signed with badboy. I cant remember which one exactly, but when he was out there fliming Above The Rim he use to roll with one of them that whole time. I think through them that's how he actually met Biggie.

I read in another rare interview from Pac. He said he really blamed Biggie for the '94 or what not. But he figured Biggie and Puffy knew what was about to go down, because after he had got shot he went up in the elevator that lead up to the studio he was suppose to be going to. He said when he got in there everybody was looking shocked. More like "i cant believe he's still alive" type of shock. He said they wasnt really talking to him and wasnt looking him in the eye.

Also he said when all this was going down(the robbing and shooting). Pac said there was like 2 more dudes with him. But the gunmen only rob and shot him. They didnt do anything to the other two.

Weird sh*t

 05-20-2005, 08:36 AM         #55
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 boondocz said
The whole beef with Tupac and Nas started over that beat on "Street Dreams". Somebody said the name of the song earlier but Tupac had already used the beat on the album before. That's how that started and he always felt Nas was dissing him on, "The Message"

The opening lines go

Fake Thug, no love
you get the slugs...

and then in the song he goes on about getting shot and going gettin checked out from the hospital the same night. Nas wasn't actually going around saying he got shot(to the dude he said that). Everybody knows he's a tells stories in his raps.

And as far as them two squashing the beef at the mtv awards. There is like 96 different versions of that story. I actually think Nas is telling the truth though. Because even the Outlawz(who probably the closest people to pac then) said it was true. If you go to some of Tupac websites they say the same thing. The beef was squashed.


But yeah the '94 shooting was kind of a setup. I remember reading a few years back that one of the main reason why he got shot up is because one of them dudes from the Black Mafia was trying to get Pac signed with badboy. I cant remember which one exactly, but when he was out there fliming Above The Rim he use to roll with one of them that whole time. I think through them that's how he actually met Biggie.

I read in another rare interview from Pac. He said he really blamed Biggie for the '94 or what not. But he figured Biggie and Puffy knew what was about to go down, because after he had got shot he went up in the elevator that lead up to the studio he was suppose to be going to. He said when he got in there everybody was looking shocked. More like "i cant believe he's still alive" type of shock. He said they wasnt really talking to him and wasnt looking him in the eye.

Also he said when all this was going down(the robbing and shooting). Pac said there was like 2 more dudes with him. But the gunmen only rob and shot him. They didnt do anything to the other two.

Weird sh*t
didn;t they k!ll one a the other dudes

 14 years ago '04        #56
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 Killinit said
I know Nas says sh*t like that, but I dont think its true, I dont know the reason that he went at him, maybe just cause he was another New York guy or cause Big and Nas chilled at times, but I dont think they ever squashed it and I dont think he was gonna take Nas's name off the song, I think nas just says that sh*t now after pac is dead cause who could argue its his word agains a dead guy, nas doesnt want to seem like a bi*ch so he talks about how they squashed it

You gotta respect Pac he went at everyone and none of these guys went back at him, he called out Jay-Z, Nas, Big, Puffy, Mobb deep, its crazy that none of these guys really went back at him, I mean I love Jay-Z's music and am a big fan, but I gotta say in that whole situation he really looks like a bi*ch if you look at it, I mean he tries to act hard now like he doesnt let anyone get away with sh*t, by taking those subliminal shots at Game in Dear Summer, by going at Nas in the takeover, but when he got called out by Pac, he didnt do sh*t
who shot M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your wrong about to things one Moob Deep did respone and Biggie did also who shot and The song k!ll your a.ss tonight Jay did his little sly sh*t like when Him Big and AZ and they playing that board game on Dead prez and Big roll the dice like i want that LA money Jay know Big was going to do that and you know Pac taking down who ever roll with him it’s deep mind games like when 50 kiss Game that was a mind game.



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 14 years ago '05        #57
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 boondocz said

I read in another rare interview from Pac. He said he really blamed Biggie for the '94 or what not. But he figured Biggie and Puffy knew what was about to go down, because after he had got shot he went up in the elevator that lead up to the studio he was suppose to be going to. He said when he got in there everybody was looking shocked. More like "i cant believe he's still alive" type of shock. He said they wasnt really talking to him and wasnt looking him in the eye.

Also he said when all this was going down(the robbing and shooting). Pac said there was like 2 more dudes with him. But the gunmen only rob and shot him. They didnt do anything to the other two.

Weird sh*t
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that thing about the elevator and pac goin back up... I always tought that was pac on some paranoya thing... since the first time I heard that interview.... my opinion.

 05-20-2005, 09:14 AM         #58
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 logicalkid said
didn;t they k!ll one a the other dudes
Yeah he was with Stretch from the live squad who was one of his closest buddies around that time. I know pac was pissed at him because he said he was the biggest dude there and he knew pac had 2 glocks on him when they robbed him. He said all the guy had to do was grab one of the robbers and pac would have handled the rest himself, but instead stretch just dropped to the floor before the robbers said sh*t, like he knew about the set up too.

Stretch was murdered exactly one year after the robbery and i think pac aimed the line about his friend switching sides and getting k!lled at him. forgotten the exact line and what song it was but it was on makaveli

i think one other dude got shot in the robbery too, pac sister's boyfriend or something.

Alot of rumours from the badboy camp say it was never meant to shoot pac, more like just rob him, but he wasn't having any of it and thats why it turned nasty.

 14 years ago '05        #59
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 KILOCHARLIE said
Alot of rumours from the badboy camp say it was never meant to shoot pac, more like just rob him, but he wasn't having any of it and thats why it turned nasty.
Actually you remember right before they came into the lobby Pac had been smoking weed and sh*t. He said he was so fu*ked up that he really didnt know how to react when the sh*t was going down. He was just kinda like in a stupor state. They was screaming take off his chain and all that sh*t but he was just standing there like wtf. He said that really pissed them off and that's when they started the shooting and sh*t.

 14 years ago '04        #60
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Does anybody remember a line that Lil Kim said

Who shot ya
Who knows but they got ya
Fed up, wet up
maybe next time ya punk a.ss will
KEEP YA HEAD UP

 05-20-2005, 12:38 PM         #61
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 logicalkid said
yea Dog, did my research, these dudes is serious and they got dough, but they don't hold a candle compared to what Suge was doing in 94,95 and around them times.

Suge was a don and even dudes in prison were suge when they heard his name, one dude spoke about it in his book that he wrote from prison.

These dudes didn't and don't have more paper than Suge and weren't as dangerous.

LA is a whole different set a nuccaz than ATL & NY, remember that.

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LOL@THEY DONT HOLD A CANDLE TO WHAT SUGE WAS DOIN....Are you serious??...First off the OWNER of BMF ENT is "supposely" worth 300 Million ALONE....They Just coming in to the light becuz they started a RECORD COMPANY...They been Diggin' in muthafu*kas pockets for YEARS...and Not just Some dumb sh*t...These n*ggas is Politically Connected.....

and Whats does being from La mean???...Where u from Dont mean sh*t...Its about who u know and How u get ur Gangster on....And....Alot of them bmf n*ggas is from CALI...Suge wasnt even serious in the streets till he formed deathrow....THESE n*ggaS BEEN SERIOUS SINCE THE 80's (even farther back than that)....Also u do know The was Lawyer is the one who masterminded all that sh*t....(supposely he the one that called order for pac to be k!lled when pac fired him)....And Suge is don huh??....He aint/wasnt sh*t compared to Harry-O......Its without Suge & his squad Gangstered the industry.....But there is bigger muthafu*kas that done it and is still doin it


and umm the kid from Uk....n*gga i dont wear panties and if indicating i was upset....No i was telling you what it is....dont affect me at all

 14 years ago '04        #62
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this is the most informative thread i've read probably ever....i had somw many questions that was cleared up here, props

 05-20-2005, 02:20 PM         #63
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U don't want me to get the streets involved/ better yet make a call and get Meech involved Jeezy

 05-20-2005, 02:24 PM         #64
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Set me up/ Wet me Up/n*ggaz stuck me up/But u tricks never shut me up Pac Ambitionz Az a Ridah


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 05-20-2005, 02:41 PM         #65
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tust me lettaz know what he talking about...point blank

 05-20-2005, 02:44 PM         #66
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outlaw outlaw

 05-20-2005, 03:00 PM         #67
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like i said before if you read it again, show me something where they specifically say his name and diss him, not something where it is left up in the air for you to judge, Biggies line in Brooklyns finest is the only one that says his name and it isnt even a diss
 djslodis said
Mobb Deep - Drop A Gem On 'Em (Hell On Earth) - Whole Song

Notorious B.I.G. - Dangerous M.C.'s (Original) - "And the winner is / Not that thinner kid / bandanas tattos / my fists never bruise..."
"Dangerous you're not / I gets down / twist your body round and round, upsidedown"

Long Kiss Goodnight (Life After death) - "When my men bust / you just move with such stamina / slugs missed ya / I ain't mad at 'cha"

Brooklyn's Finest (Reasonable Doubt) - "If Faith have twins she'll probly have 2 Pacs"

Jay-Z - Dead Or Alive Pt. 1 (DJ Clue Tape) - "See a n*gga dissin me ain't nuthin new understand / but it's how i retaliate which defines who i am / Jay-Z / ain't nothin dead or alive playin me / i take beef to the grave thats how my momma raised me / she told me / f!ght in the afterlife never revamp your stories / so heaven and hell n*ggas better have some answers for me / hollerin sh*t from '89 / Hawaian Sophie / god damn ya'll been on my d!ck a long time"

Dead Or Alive Pt. 2 (DJ Clue Tape) - "On the celly bumpin Makavelli / I hold no grudge / you dis me i diss you - whut / love is love"

 05-20-2005, 03:04 PM         #68
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no offense but anybody can be touched and BMF is bigger then people think
 logicalkid said
these guys had something to do with Pac's 94 shooting but not his death, cause when he was with DR there is no way these dudes could have touched him. Suge was in a whole different league to these dudes, he had 20% of LAPD working for him and he was deep in that gangsta sh*t, so they couldn't touch pac, the only person that could touch pac was Suge at that time, and i think he did!

 14 years ago '04        #69
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I'm listening to the Makaveli album all day , just wondering about at the end of that sh*t it has never be clear to me about who he really was talking about when he said "Against all odds
(Twenty-one gun salute)
One love to my true thug n*ggas (Outlaw! Outlaw! Outlaw!)
Twenty-one gun salute to my n*ggas that die in the line of duty
Representin to the fullest bein soldiers with military minds
that play the rules of the game, twenty-one gun salute
I salute you my n*ggas, stay strong
I ride for you, I rhyme for you, I roll for you, it's all for you
To all you bi*ch made n*ggas, I'm comin for you
Against all odds, I don't care who the fu*k you is, n*gga
You touch me I'm at you
I know you motherfu*kers think that I forgot
Hell no I ain't forgot n*gga
I just remember what you told me
You said don't go to war unless I got my money behind me
Aight, I got my money right here, now I want war"

 05-20-2005, 03:23 PM         #70
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read it again, show me where they say his name leaving nothing to interpretation, this way they cant recall their words and say" no i wasn't directin that at him"
 m_cullins said
who shot M!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your wrong about to things one Moob Deep did respone and Biggie did also who shot and The song k!ll your a.ss tonight Jay did his little sly sh*t like when Him Big and AZ and they playing that board game on Dead prez and Big roll the dice like i want that LA money Jay know Big was going to do that and you know Pac taking down who ever roll with him it’s deep mind games like when 50 kiss Game that was a mind game.



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 05-20-2005, 03:36 PM         #71
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 DonMega said
I'm listening to the Makaveli album all day , just wondering about at the end of that sh*t it has never be clear to me about who he really was talking about when he said "Against all odds
(Twenty-one gun salute)
One love to my true thug n*ggas (Outlaw! Outlaw! Outlaw!)
Twenty-one gun salute to my n*ggas that die in the line of duty
Representin to the fullest bein soldiers with military minds
that play the rules of the game, twenty-one gun salute
I salute you my n*ggas, stay strong
I ride for you, I rhyme for you, I roll for you, it's all for you
To all you bi*ch made n*ggas, I'm comin for you
Against all odds, I don't care who the fu*k you is, n*gga
You touch me I'm at you
I know you motherfu*kers think that I forgot
Hell no I ain't forgot n*gga
I just remember what you told me
You said don't go to war unless I got my money behind me
Aight, I got my money right here, now I want war"
He talking bout them dudes who had him shot Haitian Jack Jimmy Henchman & Tut. Pac had money after All Eyez On Me so he telling them he got his money right so now come fu*k wit me. That's what the whole song was about him going against everything. I'll probably be murdered for the sh*t that I said/ I'll be a legend breathin or dead


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 05-20-2005, 03:36 PM         #72
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oh yeah dangerous mc was recorded before the beef with 2pac

 14 years ago '04        #73
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listen to these interviews "in his own words" and that "thug immortal" interview, which are the last 2 that he did. they are words from his own mouth not written and not what other ppl think.


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 14 years ago '04        #74
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 boondocz said
The whole beef with Tupac and Nas started over that beat on "Street Dreams". Somebody said the name of the song earlier but Tupac had already used the beat on the album before. That's how that started and he always felt Nas was dissing him on, "The Message"

The opening lines go

Fake Thug, no love
you get the slugs...

and then in the song he goes on about getting shot and going gettin checked out from the hospital the same night. Nas wasn't actually going around saying he got shot(to the dude he said that). Everybody knows he's a tells stories in his raps.

And as far as them two squashing the beef at the mtv awards. There is like 96 different versions of that story. I actually think Nas is telling the truth though. Because even the Outlawz(who probably the closest people to pac then) said it was true. If you go to some of Tupac websites they say the same thing. The beef was squashed.


But yeah the '94 shooting was kind of a setup. I remember reading a few years back that one of the main reason why he got shot up is because one of them dudes from the Black Mafia was trying to get Pac signed with badboy. I cant remember which one exactly, but when he was out there fliming Above The Rim he use to roll with one of them that whole time. I think through them that's how he actually met Biggie.

I read in another rare interview from Pac. He said he really blamed Biggie for the '94 or what not. But he figured Biggie and Puffy knew what was about to go down, because after he had got shot he went up in the elevator that lead up to the studio he was suppose to be going to. He said when he got in there everybody was looking shocked. More like "i cant believe he's still alive" type of shock. He said they wasnt really talking to him and wasnt looking him in the eye.

Also he said when all this was going down(the robbing and shooting). Pac said there was like 2 more dudes with him. But the gunmen only rob and shot him. They didnt do anything to the other two.

Weird sh*t

^^^ as for nas, pac said himself that he had beef with nas because he met him at the house of blues and told him "nas this east/west sh*t aint got nun to do with u..iwe got luv for u", he said him and nad slapped 5 or whatever nd it was all good but when nas got back in ny he started callin pac a fake thug and takin subliminal shots at him". this came out of pacs on mouth and it was mentioned on "in his own words" interview and he also goes into depth about the nas situation in the last interview he did b4 he got shot when he started callin himself makaveli. some ppl say that him and nas later squashed the beef but snoop said that it wasnt really squashed it was just that pac called nas out in NY in central park or somewhere like that, and basically punked nas. snoop said that pac was like "look i told u this aint have nun to do with u" nas was like "pac i aint got no beef with u man i swear i love ur music and respect what ur doing" and pac replied "well then its like this i gotta song thats dissin u, biggie and whoever else...its already made and if u aint gotta problem with it then dont respond and i wont go at u anymore". snoop said that he was there and angie martinez was there and that nas had his crew there, pac had his crew and snoop also had his crew there. and angie asked him to come to the radio station to speak about it, he went there and said he aint have nun to so with it that he has luv for puffy, biggie and those n*ggas...and pac heard the interview and that is when he and pac stopped talking and like 2 or 3 days later is when pac was k!lled. this interview was on allhiphop.com a while back. so to the best of my knowledge this is what happened but i wasnt there so.........

but all the dumbsh*t aside the entire thing was not a rap beef...that was real street sh*t, from Black Mafia, Tut, Hatian Jack, and all them motherfu*kas

if u listen to the last 2 interviews that pac did, "in his on words" and the 1 that was on the thug immortal dvd he tells u whats really goin on in deeper detail...he even says "what it is is that them east coast drug deelears got them n*ggas under extortion and i came and fu*ked up everything". he was also sayin sumn that they wanted him to join badboy and he said no, and talked about it in an interview in the news papers and they were also heated at him about that.

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wow @ the whole thread... yall n*ggas know yall street sh*t...

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