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May 16 - Mexico's Fox Defends Comment on Blacks
 

 
Mexico's Fox Defends Comment on Blacks



By TRACI CARL, a*sociated Press Writer 54 minutes ago

MEXICO CITY - President
Vicente Fox refused to apologize Monday for saying Mexicans in the United States do the work that blacks won't — a comment widely viewed as acceptable in a country where blackface comedy is still considered funny and nicknames often reflect skin color.


State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City had raised the issue with the Mexican government. "That's a very insensitive and inappropriate way to phrase this and we would hope that (the Mexicans) would clarify the remarks if they have a chance," Boucher said.

Fox's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar, said the remark has been misinterpreted as a racial slur. He said the president was speaking in defense of Mexican migrants as they come under attack by the new U.S. immigration measures that include a wall along the U.S.-California border.

Stung by the U.S. crackdown on illegal immigrants, many Mexicans — including Mexico City's archbishop — said Fox was just stating a fact.

"The president was just telling the truth," said Celedonio Gonzalez, a 35-year-old carpenter who worked illegally in Dallas for six months in 2001. "Mexicans go to the United States because they have to. Blacks want to earn better wages, and the Mexican — because he is illegal — takes what they pay him."

But the
Rev. Jesse Jackson and the Rev.
Al Sharpton, two black U.S. civil rights activists, said Fox should apologize. "His statement had the impact of being inciting and divisive," Jackson said.

Lisa Catanzarite, a sociologist at Washington State University, disputed Fox's a*sertion. She said there is intense competition for lucrative working class jobs like construction and that employers usually prefer to hire immigrants who don't know their rights.

"What Vicente Fox called a willingness to work ... translates into extreme exploitability," she said.

Fox made the comment Friday during a public appearance in Puerto Vallarta, saying: "There's no doubt that Mexican men and women — full of dignity, willpower and a capacity for work — are doing the work that not even blacks want to do in the United States."

Responding to the criticism Monday, Aguilar read a statement expressing Fox's "enormous respect for minorities, whatever their racial, ethnic or religious origin."

"The purpose (of the comment) was none other than to show the importance Mexican workers have today in the development and progress of U.S. society," Aguilar said, repeating a statement released Saturday.

He refused to comment further, saying only that Fox would "intensify his diplomatic efforts to protect the integrity of the Mexicans living in that country."

The dispute reflects Fox's growing frustration with U.S. immigration policy and deteriorating relations between the two nations.

The Mexican government was expected to send a diplomatic letter to the United States on Monday protesting recent measures that include requiring states to verify that people who apply for a driver's license are in the country legally, making it harder for migrants to gain amnesty, and overriding environmental laws to build a barrier along the California border with Mexico.

The measures have been widely criticized in Mexico, where residents increasingly see the United States as adopting anti-migrant policies.

Even Cardinal Norberto Rivera Carrera, the archbishop of Mexico City, criticized the U.S. policy as ridiculous and defended Fox's comments, saying: "The declaration had nothing to do with racism. It is a reality in the United States that anyone can prove."

Gilberto Rincon, president of the National Council to Prevent Discrimination, said the statement was "unfortunate." But, speaking after releasing a report on racism in Mexico, he said it reflected outdated language more than a racist attitude.

Fox has championed the rights of minorities and the disabled and has led a successful campaign to amend the constitution to make discrimination a crime.

George Grayson, a Mexican expert with the College of William & Mary in Virginia, said the dispute will hurt Fox's campaign to liberalize immigration laws, adding that it shows "once again how tone deaf Mexico's president is with respect to the United States."

While Mexico has a few, isolated black communities, the population is dominated by descendants of the country's Spanish colonizers and its native Indians. Comments that would generally be considered openly racist in the United States generate little attention here.

One afternoon television program regularly features a comedian in blackface chasing actresses in skimpy outfits, while an advertisement for a small, chocolate pastry called the "negrito" — the little black man — shows a white boy sprouting an afro as he eats the sweet. Many people hand out nicknames based on skin color.

Victor Hugo Flores, a 30-year-old bond salesman, cringed when asked what he thought of Fox's comment, but said it isn't too different from popular sayings celebrating what Mexicans see as a strong work ethic among blacks.

"It was bad, but it really isn't racist," he said. "Maybe the president shouldn't have said it. But here we say things like, 'He works like a black person,' and it's normal."

106 comments for "May 16 - Mexico's Fox Defends Comment on Blacks"

 14 years ago '04        #2
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You know its fu*ked up when the Mexicans are dissin us

 05-16-2005, 06:53 PM         #3
The Sorrow 
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Man It sh*t Like Dis That p*ss Me
Da fu*k Off I Mean Im Latino I Look
Mexican I Aint One But Thats Wrong
I Gotta Roll Wit Sumthin Like Dat
On My Chest Man Word

 05-16-2005, 07:07 PM         #4
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lol people of color should all be united, the fu*k is up with fox...

 05-16-2005, 07:10 PM         #5
The Sorrow 
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exactly man^^

 05-16-2005, 08:40 PM         #6
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I as an African American was offended by the comments made by Vicente Fox. Anyone black person who didn't take offense to those comments I question your blackness. The beautiful thing about being black is that from a young age we were taught to turn negativity towards us into positivity.
Take it how you want but fu*k Vicente Fox hell no black people dont want to stand on the highway and sell oranges. We are a proud people we dont do "sh*t-work". The only reason they hire your burrito eating a*s to do work we wont do is because you do it for 1/4 of the fraction we would. If your funky a*s could your people on your side of the border you wouldn't have to worry about doing "our work" you bi*ch. Go put your sombrero on drink your tequilla and keep doing masonary work for pennies a day.

 14 years ago '04        #7
R. Joven 17 heat pts17
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fu*ka vicente fox

he may not have known he was being "insensitive"

but after people bring that to his attention, he should've apologized, at least

 05-16-2005, 09:02 PM         #8
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He needs to fix his country before throwing insults around like that.

 05-16-2005, 09:04 PM         #9
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And there needs to be a wall keep them dirty fu*ks out the US they takin advatage of the US and they the ones that is fu*king up social security and making the taxes go up and sh*t.

 05-16-2005, 09:17 PM         #10
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 48601 said
I as an African American was offended by the comments made by Vicente Fox. Anyone black person who didn't take offense to those comments I question your blackness. The beautiful thing about being black is that from a young age we were taught to turn negativity towards us into positivity.
Take it how you want but fu*k Vicente Fox hell no black people dont want to stand on the highway and sell oranges. We are a proud people we dont do "sh*t-work". The only reason they hire your burrito eating a*s to do work we wont do is because you do it for 1/4 of the fraction we would. If your funky a*s could your people on your side of the border you wouldn't have to worry about doing "our work" you bi*ch. Go put your sombrero on drink your tequilla and keep doing masonary work for pennies a day.

THAT WASNT RACIST? YOUR AS BAD AS HIM

 05-16-2005, 09:19 PM         #11
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 Zuhaltern said
And there needs to be a wall keep them dirty fu*ks out the US they takin advatage of the US and they the ones that is fu*king up social security and making the taxes go up and sh*t.
how are mexicans workers that pay into that system and don't collect "fu*king social security"?

second, fu*k politicians of any race or color, I don't trust them period

 14 years ago '04        #12
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 Zuhaltern said
And there needs to be a wall keep them dirty fu*ks out the US they takin advatage of the US and they the ones that is fu*king up social security and making the taxes go up and sh*t.
Retard... wow. fu*king ingorance is a bliss in this forum.

 14 years ago '04        #13
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man that is some fu*ked up sh*t to say when we have it just as hard as them trying to cross the border. we have our own messed up situation. remember mexicans found there country, we were brought over against our will. secondly, you would think that the mexican government would create jobs for there people instead of people coming to america looking for work. something must be wrong with mexico if every hour someone is trying to get into america. plus if i was an employer i would hire one of them so i don't have to report there wages. if you ask me there the stupid people for working for little of nothing, man fu*k mexico

 14 years ago '04        #14
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^^^^
Mexicans are people son, they gotta eat. The fu*k you think they are? Subhuman. If you really looked at Latin American countries you would see the situation ain't as good as it is here. That's why so many Latinos wanna come to this country, for a better life. So when they get here they ain't got sh*t to do but little sh*tty paying jobs? Latino's eat too d*ckhead..

Man and I thought whites were the racists ones, heh blacks are just as racists as white people. Crazy.. You'd think Latino's and Black's would unite cuz we both under racism, fu*ked up sh*t. I dare any of y'all black dudes talkin' sh*t about mexicans, go in any ghetto any slum in any Latin Ameircan countries, you'll see you have it good here with Public Housing and welfare.

Ignorance is wack... Think about sh*t.


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 14 years ago '05        #15
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what Zuhaltern said i kinda true..president bush wanted to include workers that were here illegally benefits such as social security..but callin them dirty fu*ks isnt cool

 14 years ago '04        #16
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 Zuhaltern said
And there needs to be a wall keep them dirty fu*ks out the US they takin advatage of the US and they the ones that is fu*king up social security and making the taxes go up and sh*t.
WoW....what a dumb FUK...

 14 years ago '04        #17
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I grew up around Mexicans, so i have alot more respect for them than the average person, but that comment that Fox made was on some bullsh*t...he needs to check himself actin like that. How the fu*k are we supposed to respect them if they don't respect us?

 14 years ago '04        #18
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man we need a wall to keep them mexicans out. all they do is come here. dont pay taxes and reproduce like rabbits. and htey dumb kids drain the schools and take up spots. everywhere u go u see a damn wetback. not only do we need a wall. we need to find the illegal ones and send them back across the border. if they want to come ehre let em do it legally. dont feel sorry for em.

 05-16-2005, 11:04 PM         #19
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sorry for the dirty fu*ks comment I am just heated how the mexicans are screwin up the system and makin the taxes go up with going onto welfare and they are the onesin the end that are going to end up taking out social security away. among other things


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 14 years ago '04        #20
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fu*k VICENTE FOX!!!!!

That big-mouthed bastard needs to fix the problems in his own fu*ked up country before talking sh*t about us. He's been talking sh*t about the US for months now, now he is disrespecting black folks for no good reason. People are illegally coming here for a reason, maybe he should think about that first before running his mouth.

fu*k THAT BASTARD!!!!!


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 05-16-2005, 11:13 PM         #21
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 killyoself said
man we need a wall to keep them mexicans out. all they do is come here. dont pay taxes and reproduce like rabbits. and htey dumb kids drain the schools and take up spots. everywhere u go u see a damn wetback. not only do we need a wall. we need to find the illegal ones and send them back across the border. if they want to come ehre let em do it legally. dont feel sorry for em.
Another dum fuk.

 05-16-2005, 11:14 PM         #22
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 djone said
WoW....what a dumb FUK...
nah your the dumb fu*k if udon't see what the fu*k is actually going on in the world and see what they are doing to this country yeah cheap labor but they more then make up for it in welfare checks that they don't deserve cause they shouldn't be here in the first place.

 05-16-2005, 11:20 PM         #23
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 Zuhaltern said
nah your the dumb fu*k if udon't see what the fu*k is actually going on in the world and see what they are doing to this country yeah cheap labor but they more then make up for it in welfare checks that they don't deserve cause they shouldn't be here in the first place.
white folks use the welfare system more than these "wetbacks".......everyone is to blame on taxes, have you seen how many billions these c*ck sucking politicians spend on bullsh*t? Every ethinicity has some negativity and positive sh*t on their checklist....

Oh yea - fu*k Fox, dude should be careful what the fu*k comes out of his mouth.....this coming from a Mexican-(American born)


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 14 years ago '04        #24
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Man, fu*k mexicans who feel we should be doin the work that they have to do b/c we're black, and that bi*ch Fox. fu*k that carpenter who agreed wit him. They talking like b/c we're black, we should be cutting grass for penny's, or selling roses on the corner in 100 degree weather, or gardening and sh*t. Any race can do that, white, black, etc. The right thing to say is that they do work that typical americans dont want to do. To single us out comes off to us like they're saying we're beneath white people. Thats exactly how I took it. The bi*ch aint say, those mexicans do work that White people dont want to, n*gga had to say work that Black people dont want to do. So are white people too good to do that work, but we arent?

I dont got sh*t against mexicans. I dont got sh*t against any minority race to be honest. But, them doing the work they do aint nobodies fault. Ok, if we did the work, then they wouldnt have jobs. Who cares who does it, they aint being forced. Coming over hear illegally, with sometimes no education, and barely speaking english, of course they wont qualify for much more that 'hard labor' jobs. n*gga act like they hoping the boarder with degrees and sh*t. How bout the u.s.a starts locking they a*ses up, then whats he gonna say.

Its like we get hate from all races, white, oriental, mexican. When is it gonna end? sh*t wont end in my lifetime im sure. Also, did i mention fu*k Fox.

 05-17-2005, 12:50 AM         #25
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i feel sorry for all these ignorant negroes, they think they are better than mexicans i am not a mexican but first of all the united snakes (u.s.a.) stole a lot of land from mexico and spain. fu*k all the blacks , they think cause they speak english they are better than any other race, or that they are better citizens. they are so fu*king ignorant they don't realize california used to be part of mexico, texas used to be part of mexico even miami used to be part of spain and also puerto rico.why do you think there are thousands of streets names in spanish, ok. all blacks should realize that during the mexican-american war mexico lost their own land , they invited the colonies to stay in mexico and in return the colonies fu*ked the mexicans over their own land, so to alll blacks get it right through your head the united states stole land from mexico, even zapata said himself, that if they lose the war they would strangers in their own land. and that is exactly what happened. so is right to steal back what once belonged to mexico, and when the mexicans take their land back , they should kick all this monkeys back to africa. cause california once was also part of mexico. and more thing don't feel so special cause you speak english, cause i tell one thing if everyone spoke the same language, you will see people from all over the world winning grammies and oscars and so on, cause know something there are thousands of atheletes and singers and actors who are better than blacks , but they don't win sh*t cause simply they those speak english , so don't feel so special like blacks have a special pass, cause they speak english, cause if anything mexicans before any other race should have priority over the u.s.a. not you , you came as slaves mexicans didnot, and never try to put down hispanics again cause they are decesdents of europeans not slaves.


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