3 part question for this....




1st. Question: Which albums are better?


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2nd Question: Who is the better Producer?


3rd Question: Who is the better MC?

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So which in your opinion is the better duo?

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Pete rock n cl smooth

Straighten it out is one of my fav songs to work out to

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Gang Starr

Pete Rock and CL Smooth drop two straight flawless albums and broke up smh


The Main Ingredient = top 3 my favorite albums of all time

Better producer= Pete Rock>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Premo

Better rapper = Gifted Unlimited Rhymes Universal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CL Smooth

Better Voice = CL Smooth>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Guru (always hated he sounded in my headphones, besides on their classics)

Stronger Catalog = Gangstar


Gotta give it to Gangstar, but I love Pete Rock & CL Smooth......Pete Rock in my top 3 producers ever....

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This is truly a tough one. Gonna have to think on it a little more

i know songs more than albums usually - but i think there are better gangstarr albums than those two - but idk

for producer it's real close
to me premiere is more polished but pete rock is more creative

pete rock is from a large jamaican family and he lived in the bronx before moving to mt vernon. his dad was a dj who played records at west indian social events so pete rock is all about diggin in the crates
premiere is more about overpowering your brain with a vibe .. and prob can scratch better than pete rock
i would edge it to pete rock

as for rapper ..
i always felt pete rock deserved a better emcee. cl smooth aint sayin sh*t. his voice sounds dope. his flow is pitter patter stop start smooth - like his name - but the brother isnt saying JACKKK sh*tTT ... nah im serious. i had the double album and for a few days was like.. this is illl... then i just came up empty on the lyrics with more listens. he's not smart. he's not wise. he's mediocre as far as content imho
and it's like a riddle except the answer is fu*kin boring
cl smooth says sh*t like (fake example)
"walk to enter house room wall floor window .. hand shake slide quake dap to my kinfolk ...."
sh*t sounds dope till you're like .... ok, you walked in the room and gave someone a pound smh. like making some simple sh*t complicated for no reason

guru does the opposite.
he takes concepts that are complicated and simplifies them. his rhymes never 'show off' ... but they always rhyme in unusual hard to predict ways.
he's a true original

cl smooth belongs rappin in a cafeteria in mt vernon high school
you know who else raps better than cl smooth? pete rock
the creator is one of their best songs with pete on lyrics
the chorus of straighten in out - pete rock flows in the chorus better than the verses because he's to the point
pete washed cl on down with the kings run dmc
pete washed cl on 'the basement' posse cut
pete washed cl on 'don't curse'
washed him in the sprite commercial too
ever hear fakin jacks by i n i ?

only thing c l brought was troy - and everyone was sentimental with it because it was a tribute to someone who passed
same way missing you by puffy was a sh*t song on the strength of sentiment

i still have no idea wtf cl is talking about in troy.

i know what 'just to get a rep' is about though. that song teaches you!

i got to give it to gangstarr off of lyrics

Tough but I'll go with Gangstarr.

I'm biased because "Step In the Arena" is one of my favorite albums of all time.

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this hard, I'm haf to get back at you

CheebaHawk21 said Better producer= Pete Rock>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Premo Better rapper = Gifted Unlimited Rhymes Universal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CL Smooth Better Voice = CL Smooth>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Guru (always hated he sounded in my headphones, besides on their classics) Stronger Catalog = Gangstar Gotta give it to Gangstar, but I love Pete Rock & CL Smooth......Pete Rock in my top 3 producers ever....

Damm Cheeba, The gap between the Soul Brother & the Jazz Master is that big?

oldfoot said i know songs more than albums usually - but i think there are better gangstarr albums than those two - but idk for producer it's real close to me premiere is more polished but pete rock is more creative pete rock is from a large jamaican family and he lived in the bronx before moving to mt vernon. his dad was a dj who played records at west indian social events so pete rock is all about diggin in the crates premiere is more about overpowering your brain with a vibe .. and prob can scratch better than pete rock i would edge it to pete rock as for rapper .. i always felt pete rock deserved a better emcee. cl smooth aint sayin sh*t. his voice sounds dope. his flow is pitter patter stop start smooth - like his name - but the brother isnt saying JACKKK sh*tTT ... nah im serious. i had the double album and for a few days was like.. this is illl... then i just came up empty on the lyrics with more listens. he's not smart. he's not wise. he's mediocre as far as content imho and it's like a riddle except the answer is fu*kin boring cl smooth says sh*t like (fake example) "walk to enter house room wall floor window .. hand shake slide quake dap to my kinfolk ...." sh*t sounds dope till you're like .... ok, you walked in the room and gave someone a pound smh. like making some simple sh*t complicated for no reason guru does the opposite. he takes concepts that are complicated and simplifies them. his rhymes never 'show off' ... but they always rhyme in unusual hard to predict ways. he's a true original cl smooth belongs rappin in a cafeteria in mt vernon high school you know who else raps better than cl smooth? pete rock the creator is one of their best songs with pete on lyrics the chorus of straighten in out - pete rock flows in the chorus better than the verses because he's to the point pete washed cl on down with the kings run dmc pete washed cl on 'the basement' posse cut pete washed cl on 'don't curse' washed him in the sprite commercial too ever hear fakin jacks by i n i ? only thing c l brought was troy - and everyone was sentimental with it because it was a tribute to someone who passed same way missing you by puffy was a sh*t song on the strength of sentiment i still have no idea wtf cl is talking about in troy. i know what 'just to get a rep' is about though. that song teaches you! i got to give it to gangstarr off of lyrics

a post like this back in the day would have made you POWERFUL

if i can prop you 100 times, i would.

Preme the better producer and guru the better rapper

Mecca and the soul brother is one of the best rap albums of all time tho. The cover is one of the best too imo

oldfoot said i know songs more than albums usually - but i think there are better gangstarr albums than those two - but idk for producer it's real close to me premiere is more polished but pete rock is more creative pete rock is from a large jamaican family and he lived in the bronx before moving to mt vernon. his dad was a dj who played records at west indian social events so pete rock is all about diggin in the crates premiere is more about overpowering your brain with a vibe .. and prob can scratch better than pete rock i would edge it to pete rock as for rapper .. i always felt pete rock deserved a better emcee. cl smooth aint sayin sh*t. his voice sounds dope. his flow is pitter patter stop start smooth - like his name - but the brother isnt saying JACKKK sh*tTT ... nah im serious. i had the double album and for a few days was like.. this is illl... then i just came up empty on the lyrics with more listens. he's not smart. he's not wise. he's mediocre as far as content imho and it's like a riddle except the answer is fu*kin boring cl smooth says sh*t like (fake example) "walk to enter house room wall floor window .. hand shake slide quake dap to my kinfolk ...." sh*t sounds dope till you're like .... ok, you walked in the room and gave someone a pound smh. like making some simple sh*t complicated for no reason guru does the opposite. he takes concepts that are complicated and simplifies them. his rhymes never 'show off' ... but they always rhyme in unusual hard to predict ways. he's a true original cl smooth belongs rappin in a cafeteria in mt vernon high school you know who else raps better than cl smooth? pete rock the creator is one of their best songs with pete on lyrics the chorus of straighten in out - pete rock flows in the chorus better than the verses because he's to the point pete washed cl on down with the kings run dmc pete washed cl on 'the basement' posse cut pete washed cl on 'don't curse' washed him in the sprite commercial too ever hear fakin jacks by i n i ? only thing c l brought was troy - and everyone was sentimental with it because it was a tribute to someone who passed same way missing you by puffy was a sh*t song on the strength of sentiment i still have no idea wtf cl is talking about in troy. i know what 'just to get a rep' is about though. that song teaches you! i got to give it to gangstarr off of lyrics

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This and Troy are my favorite songs on Mecca. Pete rock goes in

C.L. Smooth is a better lyricist than Guru but I remember more Guru lines than C.L.

Pete & Preme are tied to me different styles but both pioneers of sound.

Own both their catalogues complete.

Tuff call....Gangstarr had more albums so I’ll give it to them.

Illuminati 8ob said C.L. Smooth is a better lyricist than Guru but I remember more Guru lines than C.L. Pete & Preme are tied to me different styles but both pioneers of sound. Own both their catalogues complete. Tuff call....Gangstarr had more albums so I’ll give it to them.

That's why to make it fair I choose Daily Operation & Hard To Earn since both came out in 92 & 94 like the PR & CL albums

Strong Side Iso said Tough but I'll go with Gangstarr. I'm biased because "Step In the Arena" is one of my favorite albums of all time.

That's why I chose Daily Operation and Hard To Earn cause they both came out in 92 & 94 like the PR & CL albums

Chris444 said That's why to make it fair I choose Daily Operation & Hard To Earn since both came out in 92 & 94 like the PR & CL albums

In that case Gangstarr but if you would have put All Souled Out & Mecca I might have gone Pete & CL. The Beatnuts Intoxicated Demons & All Souled Out are the 2 greatest EP’s ever released.

Illuminati 8ob said In that case Gangstarr but if you would have put All Souled Out & Mecca I might have gone Pete & CL. The Beatnuts Intoxicated Demons & All Souled Out are the 2 greatest EP’s ever released.

Ice Cube k*ll At Will up there too

This one is tougher than I thought. Instantly I’m thinking Gang Starr (can’t add anything oldfoot eloquently put - perfect). But when I was about to vote I couldn’t do it - for some reason my ear preferred the combo of N&S but my soul resonates with GS. Imma abstain, can’t do it - these groups mean too much to choose.
Can’t do it, just can’t.

Chris444 said Ice Cube k*ll At Will up there too

completely forgot.

gangstarr

CheebaHawk21 said Better producer= Pete Rock>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Premo Better rapper = Gifted Unlimited Rhymes Universal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CL Smooth Better Voice = CL Smooth>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Guru (always hated he sounded in my headphones, besides on their classics) Stronger Catalog = Gangstar Gotta give it to Gangstar, but I love Pete Rock & CL Smooth......Pete Rock in my top 3 producers ever....

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