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Jan 12 - Trump officially owns the longest government shutdown in US history
 

 
Trump, Congress break record for longest shutdown

BY JORDAIN CARNEY - 01/12/19 05:48 AM EST

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The partial government shutdown is now officially the longest funding lapse in modern history, surpassing a 21-day record set during the Clinton administration.

The infamous distinction comes as the shutdown, which began Dec. 22, shows no signs of progress toward resolving the protracted f!ght: talks between President Trump and Democrats are at a standstill; a last-ditch effort by moderate Senate Republicans to jump-start negotiations derailed; and lawmakers left town until Monday afternoon, ensuring the closure will last at least 24 days.

The White House and congressional Democrats like Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) are entrenched in their f!ght over funding for Trump’s proposed border wall. But when, or how, the stalemate finally breaks remains a mystery to lawmakers and administration officials alike.

Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.), the chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, said he could not predict what such a potential deal might look like.

“Well, that is a great question,” Shelby said when asked by The Hill about the path out of the shutdown. “That is a central question facing all of us. We don’t know yet. I’ve got some ideas. Everybody’s got some ideas.”

But, he added, until Trump and congressional Democrats start talking, “it’s chaos and kind of a circus.”

Roughly a quarter of the federal government has been shuttered since Dec. 22 after the president signaled he would not sign a seven-week stopgap bill passed by the Senate. A plan by House conservatives to attach $5 billion in wall funding later hit a dead end.

The funding lapse has forced roughly 800,000 federal employees to be furloughed or work without pay. Those government workers missed their first paycheck on Friday.

Lawmakers are now hoping that the new financial strain on constituents could put pressure on Congress and Trump to strike a deal.

But there are already signs that the shutdown could stretch on for weeks, and potentially into next month.

Administration officials told The Hill that the Office of Management and Budget is gearing up for the partial shutdown to continue through February, and White House aides have discussed using Trump's Jan. 29 State of the Union address to knock Democrats over their opposition to building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

House Democrats passed a package earlier this month that would fully reopen the government by funding the Department of Homeland Security through Feb. 8 and the rest of the impacted departments and agencies through Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year. They’ve also started passing individual appropriations bills.

But those measures will go nowhere in the Senate, where Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has pledged he will not take up a bill unless it has the president’s support. On Thursday he blocked the House package to fully reopen the government after Democrats tried to pass the measure.

“The last thing we need to do right now is trade pointless — absolutely pointless — show votes back and forth across the aisle,” McConnell said from the Senate floor.

Several Senate Republicans have publicly backed passing either the individual House bills or a continuing resolution to fully reopen the government while Democrats and Trump f!ght it out over the border wall. So far, no GOP senators have gone to the floor to try to force a vote on those measures.

“Shutting down the government is not governing. Nobody is winning in this,” Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said in a floor speech before the Senate wrapped up its work on Friday.

Trump, meanwhile, is seesawing over whether he would declare migration along the southern border a national emergency. The move would allow him to try to repurpose money from other parts of the federal budget to fund construction of the wall.

The president told reporters at the White House on Friday that while he has the authority to use the declaration to jump-start wall construction, he’s “not going to do it so fast.”

“It's the easy way out, but Congress should do this,” he said, adding he would “rather not” because the declaration could face court challenges that would delay construction for months.

Trump has been flirting with the emergency declaration as his escape hatch from the funding f!ght. He told Fox News host Sean Hannity that “if we don’t make a deal with Congress, most likely I will do that.”

Some of Trump’s closest allies are publicly urging him to go that route, arguing Democrats will never approve wall funding. The president walked out of a White House meeting on Wednesday when Pelosi told him that she would not discuss wall funding even if he first agreed to fully reopen the government.

“They hate President Trump more than they want to fix problems — even problems they acknowledged to be real and serious in the past,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said in a statement Friday after a meeting with Trump. “Democrats will do everything in their power to defeat Trump in 2020.”

“Mr. President, declare a national emergency now. Build a wall now,” Graham added.

But the idea has received public pushback from Senate Republicans and Trump’s conservative allies in the House who warn that it will get bogged down in a court challenge and set a precedent for future Democratic presidents.

“I think the president should not do it,” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) told reporters on Friday. “I think as a member of Congress I ought to be very selfish about the constitutional powers that we have to appropriate money. I think it might be a bad precedent.”

If he were to take such a step, Democrats would likely challenge his actions in court. They would also be able to force votes on a resolution of disapproval and need only a simple majority to try to block Trump.

Schumer said while he believed a declaration would get struck down in court, he and Pelosi are open to legislative options.

“I think legally it would be blocked,” Schumer said during an interview with the podcast “Pod Save America.”

“But you know Nancy and I have talked about it,” he said, “and we'd look at any legislative way to stop it as well."

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TaxStoneCooked 92 heat pts92
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Well duh. We knew it wasnt going to open yesterday.

Obama had a shut down.

13 national emergencies and 11 are still active. Interesting.
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We can give Israel 38 Billion over 10 years but cant come together for Border wall funding.

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 1 week ago '06        #4
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 TaxStoneCooked said
Well duh. We knew it wasnt going to open yesterday.

Obama had a shut down.

13 national emergencies and 11 are still active. Interesting.
Obama's shutdown was because the GOP didn't want to provide people with healthcare. It is not analogous to the current shutdown in any way. ESPECIALLY considering the fact that Trump had previously agreed to sign the bill but then reneged, which Obama never did.

This is for a wall that studies show will have no significant impact on illegal immigration, drug trafficking, or human trafficking and will have a total cost of closer to $100B.

We could allocate that funding to other aspects of immigration enforcement like expanding the number of immigration judges, providing more immigration attorneys in those courts, more boots on the agents on the ground, more training for agents, etc. All of which would have a much more significant impact at reducing illegal immigration and the harm that you believe stems from it.

The wall is just a symbol for "beating the libs" and for some, racism. There's truly no reason to believe it would solve the problems that this administration says it will solve, but Trump supporters don't care, all they want is to be able to log on to boxden, or reddit, or facebook and "own the libs", even if it means wasting money on something pointless.

If I'm on ignore then ignore me, wife beater.
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 TaxStoneCooked said
Well duh. We knew it wasnt going to open yesterday.

Obama had a shut down.

13 national emergencies and 11 are still active. Interesting.
Can we talk about trump and what he and his administration does without bringing up past presidents?
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 1 week ago '17        #6
Stand Tall 34 heat pts34
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#MAGA
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 1 week ago '06        #7
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 Fauby said
Can we talk about trump and what he and his administration does without bringing up past presidents?
Of course not, when you look at this administration objectively and independently you see they haven't actually accomplished anything from the executive branch's standpoint.

The only major accomplishment has been the tax plan. And Even that came through entirely independent of the executive branch.
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TaxStoneCooked 92 heat pts92
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 Fauby said
Can we talk about trump and what he and his administration does without bringing up past presidents?
Nope.

KTSE

Obama declared 13!!!! National Emergencies and 11 of them are still active.

Also shut the.government down.

Obama gave 310 million to Illegals for legal advice ironically.

He also gave Israel 38 Billion.

Why is this whole section crying over 5B??

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 1 week ago '14        #9
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 TaxStoneCooked said
Nope.

KTSE

Obama declared 13!!!! National Emergencies and 11 of them are still active.

Also shut the.government down.

Obama gave 310 million to Illegals for legal advice ironically.

He also gave Israel 38 Billion.

Why is this whole section crying over 5B??

Dipsh*t
Ted Cruz shut the government down
And after his sad attempts at defunding ObeezyCare, McConnell caved


Nice try but we deal in facts not faux news propaganda
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 1 week ago '06        #10
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 TaxStoneCooked said
Nope.

KTSE

Obama declared 13!!!! National Emergencies and 11 of them are still active.

Also shut the.government down.

Obama gave 310 million to Illegals for legal advice ironically.

He also gave Israel 38 Billion.

Why is this whole section crying over 5B??

Alright, lots of flaws here. Let's address them point by point (not for you, since I'm on ignore and you're too ignorant to listen to reason, but for anybody who may be misled by your misunderstanding of the situtations and false equivalencies.

1. Obama didn't declare national emergencies as a way to circumvent constitutional checks and balances, Trumps national emergency would violate the constitution by usurping power from congress. Obama simply did not do that.

2. The national emergencies that Obama declared were all "property blocking" emergencies. This means that the emergencies were declared in order for the president to prevent American citizens and corporations from supporting foreign wars, i.e. selling arms to militants engaged in a civil war.

3. The Obama shutdown occurred because he was trying to give people healthcare, not fund a useless wall, and he was engaged in negotiations the entire time and willing to compromise, Trump has not been.

4. The constitution and Supreme Court have said that all individuals prosecuted in the United States for serious crimes are entitled to legal representation and due process, this includes illegal immigrants.

5. 38 Billion to Israel was in military aid and was used to work with US forces in the region to combat terrorism...again, there was a practical use for this money.

Alright, that should do it. Better luck next time wife beater!
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 1 week ago '19        #11
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Small government or no government are both great things. Only bums who rely on the gov't are screwed but they should have gotten their sh*t together before hand so as to not have to rely on the gov't it's a pretty simple concept. I hope it stays closed for the entire year. Good job Trump don't cave to the anti American, anti freedom losers!
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 Covfefe2020 said
Small government or no government are both great things. Only bums who rely on the gov't are screwed but they should have gotten their sh*t together before hand so as to not have to rely on the gov't it's a pretty simple concept. I hope it stays closed for the entire year. Good job Trump don't cave to the anti American, anti freedom losers!
What about federal workers?

You think TSA agents and border patrol should go the whole year without pay?

Or you think small government includes no airport or border security?
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 Covfefe2020 said
Small government or no government are both great things. Only bums who rely on the gov't are screwed but they should have gotten their sh*t together before hand so as to not have to rely on the gov't it's a pretty simple concept. I hope it stays closed for the entire year. Good job Trump don't cave to the anti American, anti freedom losers!
I agree. Trump should really turn up the heat. Keep it closed all year
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 4evaabso said
Dipsh*t
Ted Cruz shut the government down
And after his sad attempts at defunding ObeezyCare, McConnell caved


Nice try but we deal in facts not faux news propaganda
Stopped at dip sh*t. Speak like a normal human.
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 Covfefe2020 said
Small government or no government are both great things. Only bums who rely on the gov't are screwed but they should have gotten their sh*t together before hand so as to not have to rely on the gov't it's a pretty simple concept. I hope it stays closed for the entire year. Good job Trump don't cave to the anti American, anti freedom losers!
Yeah you really have no idea what you're talking about if you think the only people hurt by the government shutdown are those that are on welfare...
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 Aztlan said
What about federal workers?

You think TSA agents and border patrol should go the whole year without pay?

Or you think small government includes no airport or border security?
When I flew a lot TSA were just nasty rude horrible people most of the time. The whole country hates them now everyone is concerned for their wages. What a turn around.

They aren't needed anyway. Its just some fake 9/11 patriot act bullsh*t. Patting down my grandma for what lol

Chuck and Nancy clearly feel the same way Trump does or the govt would be open already.

800,000 workers have already been approved for back pay.
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 TaxStoneCooked said
When I flew a lot TSA were just nasty rude horrible people most of the time. The whole country hates them now everyone is concerned for their wages. What a turn around.

They aren't needed anyway. Its just some fake 9/11 patriot act bullsh*t. Patting down my grandma for what lol

Chuck and Nancy clearly feel the same way Trump does or the govt would be open already.

800,000 workers have already been approved for back pay.
You think TSA is excessive or not needed?

Not sure if you're arguing that airports don't need security or if you're saying that some of the stuff they do is unnecessary.

Back pay doesn't matter when you can't afford to go multiple months without pay. If this keeps up, people are gonna be spending their backpay on first and last months rent for a new spot after their evictions.

Chuck and Nancy said they want to open up the government and continue talks on border security.

Trump says he won't open it up if he doesn't get his wall, which is not the same thing as border security, it's just one component.

Only one is requiring a huge concession in order to end the shutdown.
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 TaxStoneCooked said
I agree. Trump should really turn up the heat. Keep it closed all year
fu*k you are literally retarded.

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Why can't big tough guy trump get Mexico to pay for the wall?

Why is the President not keeping his promise thus making Americans suffer?

I need answers. What happened to #MAGA?





Shambles
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Mexico was supposed to pay for the Wall.
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 Stand Tall said
And he also promised the people Mexico would pay for it. The art of negotiation right? Why is he not making Mexico suffer until they pay for it instead of holding Americas Government hostage and causing harm to American citizens
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Stop engaging that idiot taxstone, let the trolls be trolls and ignore them
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 Covfefe2020 said
Small government or no government are both great things. Only bums who rely on the gov't are screwed but they should have gotten their sh*t together before hand so as to not have to rely on the gov't it's a pretty simple concept. I hope it stays closed for the entire year. Good job Trump don't cave to the anti American, anti freedom losers!
You should move to Somalia then. Let me know how that works out.

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f*ggot even used a fake still of Trump
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