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 04-30-2005, 11:28 AM         #1
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Apr 30 - Kurt Cobain was murdered, he did not k!ll himself...
 

 
THREE TIMES A LETHAL DOSE OF HEROIN?

Kurt apparently had 3 times the lethal 225 mgs dose of heroin (1.52 mgs per liter) in his blood system and intravenous puncture marks in both arms. Medical experts will tell you that such an amount, when injected directly into the bloodstream will leave you incapacitated and cause you to lapse into a coma within seconds, if not k!ll you instantly before the needle can even be removed from your arm. It's common for deaths of heroin overdoses to be found with the needle still sticking out of the arm. That's how quickly one lethal dose can k!ll a person, let alone three.
It's hard to believe that Cobain injected himself with an insane triple lethal dose of heroin, pulled the needle out of his arm, carefully put away that needle and the heroin paraphernalia neatly back into a cigar box a few feet away, rolled down and button his sleeves, then picked up a Remington 20-gauge shotgun , placed it in his mouth and discharged it. There does not seem to be another case in history in which anything close to this has ever occurred and many researchers feel it is simply impossible.

The drug Diazepam (Valium), was also found in Cobain's blood system. A drug that is known to aggravate heroin, and makes an overdose that much worse. The question remains as to why Cobain would shoot himself after taking a triple lethal dose, which clearly would have been more than enough to cause death instantly. A triple overdose, followed by shooting yourself not only doesn't make sense, but is impossible according to the medical experts.

Canadian Chemist Roger Lewis read the Cobain autopsy report. Knowing that drug related "suicides" are often a staged cover up for a murder, he studied 98 similar deaths and their pathology, criminology and forensic tests. His research is titled "Dead Men Don't Pull Triggers", and it was published in Opinion Magazine. An online version is also available and is a must-read for anyone who wants to intelligently argue that Cobain was murdered. To be fair, there is a rebuttal to Lewis' findings, which has also been posted on the web, as well as Lewis' rebuttal to the first one. Links to that debate are available in the internet coverage section of this site.


NO FINGERPRINTS?

According to the police report, there were no "legible" fingerprints on the shotgun (which some sources say indicate the gun had been wiped or cleaned), none on the pen found with the "suicide" note, or the box of shotgun shells found beside Kurt. How can you write a note, load up a shotgun with 3 shells, and shoot yourself without leaving any fingerprints on anything? Also, his head was nowhere near "blown off", as mistakenly reported by the press. It was fully intact and not as gruesome as people close to the situation had made it out to be to the media and friends. The Remington Model 11 shotgun is a very light shotgun that dealers recommend for home protection, because the shot won't penetrate walls and endanger those on the other side.

Sgt. Cameron admitted 2 years later that there were no markings on Kurt's hands indicating he had fired the weapon. "Yeah, there weren't any marks on his hands...Some rookie must've put that line in the police report." he said when speaking about the mistake in the police report. Tom Grant says: "I can say with confidence that there were no marks on Cobain's hands that would indicate he fired this weapon. I've had the police reports analyzed by other homicide detectives and criminalists. No one can figure out what these "marks" could have been. I can't explain further at this time, but I can tell you the authorities will never claim the marks were GS residue or soot. Some of the additional evidence I've obtained regarding these so-called "marks" cannot be disclosed until the case is reopened. If the Seattle authorities ever care to describe the "marks" in detail, I'll come forward with additional evidence that will prove those so--called "marks" did not really exist."

Since things were also so neatly put away at the scene and there were no fingerprints on key objects, this seems to indicate someone "swept" it before Cobain's body was discovered. He clearly was not alone in that greenhouse.


BUSINESS IN LOS ANGELES?

Courtney Love was in Los Angeles during the week preceding and up to Kurt's death and when asked by many to fly up to Seattle to help locate her husband, whom she had told others "had a shotgun" and was "suicidal," she replied, "I can't. I have business to take care of." When Tom Grant mentioned to Rosemary Carroll that Courtney had said she couldn't go to Seattle herself because she "had business in L.A", Carroll replied "She didn't have any business in L.A.!" While Kurt was in Seattle in supposed "suicide" mode, Love was arrested due to a 911 phone call reporting an overdose in her hotel room. Paramedics arrived and took her to the hospital before releasing her 2 hours later into police custody. She was charged with possession of a syringe and drug paraphernalia. Phone records show that the 911 call that got her arrested, originated from her own hotel room. Tom Grant believes this was Courtney's attempt to establish an alibi right before Kurt was found.

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 04-30-2005, 11:29 AM         #2
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A SECRET SECOND NOTE?

Courtney produced a never-before seen second note to Seattle police, which she claims Kurt wrote in Rome during "his first suicide attempt". A police officer says it was not a suicide not, but rather a rambling and unflattering diatribe against her. Courtney admits the existance of this note in a December 1994 Rolling Stone interview, and to Tom Grant. Grant has her on tape saying that she burned it . Courtney says the second note also mentioned a divorce.

THE ROME INCIDENT

Kurt was not a user of Rohypnol , he also didn't drink alcohol. On March 4th 1994 in Rome, when he was on the verge of leaving Courtney and the tour he was on, he was suddenly hospitalized with these substances in his body. Many believe this was the first, failed, murder attempt as both Michael DeWitt and Courtney Love were also in that hotel room in Rome. By some miracle, Kurt survived the combination of Rohypnol and Alcohol, and told everyone, including the doctors that it was not a suicide attempt. Dr. Galletta, who treated him, agreed it was just an accident. Kurt also mentioned that he could not remember what had happened to cause the coma. This is a common side effect of Rohypnol , better known as the "date r*pe drug" or "roofies". At the time, Rohypnol was a colorless, odorless drug which dissolves quickly into drinks, including water, and induces amnesia (loss of memory) when abused. The prescription for this drug belonged to Courtney. She was seen popping some during an interview with Select magazine in Rome on March 3rd and it's documented in the interview. Also, Tom Grant found empty packets of the prescription with her name on it when he searched the Cobain home on April 7th.

MONEY FOR murder?

Eldon Hoke (aka "El Duce"), singer of a band called the Mentors, claimed he was offered $50,000 by Courtney Love three months earlier to k!ll her husband. On March 6, 1996, Hoke was administered a polygraph test by Dr. Edward Gelb, who is one of the country's leading polygraph experts. He was also teaching the advanced polygraph course for the FBI. Hoke passed a lie detector test with 99.7% certainty that he was telling the truth. Eldon Hoke briefly appeared in the Nick Broomfield "Kurt & Courtney" documentary.

On April 19th 1997, eight days after having his story filmed by Broomfield, Hoke was found dead in Riverside, California by the California Highway Police. A source described the events as "highly suspicious. He showed up at his house in Riverside with this guy who he introduced as his new friend none of his roommates had ever met before and said they were going out to the liquor store and would be back soon. He never returned. The 'friend' was never seen again and Hoke was found squashed on a railroad track, apparently hit by a train. Anybody who knew Hoke, according to his friends, knew that the best way to befriend him was to offer to buy him a drink. So the scenario is quite obvious."

While Grant and others believe Hoke was offered money by Courtney and was telling the truth about that, he did not personally, nor did he know who k!lled Kurt. Hoke used the situation to drum up publicity for himself and for a band he apparently started called "Courtney k!lled Kurt". In the end, it might have been the thing that got him k!lled. A popular hoax has popped up in recent years where people claim they know who k!lled both Cobain and Hoke. Read more detailed information about Hoke including a brief transcript of the conversation he had with Courtney Love in Eldon Hoke, AKA El Duce - By Frances Barnett


A CANCELED CREDIT CARD & FLAT TIRES

There is evidence that circumstances were manipulated to prevent Kurt from using his own car and gaining access to his own money in the days leading up to his death. Courtney canceled his credit card right after he used it to purchase a flight back home to Seattle on April 1st, and according to the police report, all 4 tires of his car were flat .

MEDIA MANIPULATION

After Kurt was found dead a month later in Seattle, and could not set the record straight anymore, Courtney tells everyone that the Rome incident was actually "a suicide attempt". This went against everything Kurt, and the doctors that treated him had said about the incident. The media goes with Love's side of the story for some reason and don't question it. The few that tried had gotten legal threats tossed their way or were just pressured to back off.

Peter Cleary, a friend of Kurt's from Seattle said the following in an interview: "The thing you have to remember about all the talk of Kurt being suicidal is that all the talk only started when Courtney came out after the death and said Rome was a suicide attempt and the media picked up on all her examples of Kurt being suicidal. That's when all these people started saying,'Of course he was suicidal, just listen to his music.' But that's a bunch of crap. Sure he was a moody guy and got depressed quite often. That applies to a hell of a lot of people, including me. But nobody ever talked about Kurt being suicidal before he died, Nobody. Why do you think everybody who knew him was so surprised when Courtney said that Rome was a suicide attempt? I've read all this ignorant bullsh*t in the media pointing to the fact that Kurt wanted to call In utero 'I Hate Myself and I Want to Die.' It was a joke, for chrissake. That was his warped sense of humour. He was the most sarcastic guy you'll ever meet. He was not suicidal, at least not when I knew him, and I knew him for the last year of his life."

CONFLICT OF INTEREST

The medical examiner, Dr. Nikolas Hartshorne insists Cobain died from a self-inflicted shotgun wound. He was interviewed in 2000 for a VH1 Confidential story on the theories. Hartshorne is adamant that Kurt's death was "an open and shut case of suicide". "Kurt died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. I have no doubt in my mind, not one shred of doubt, that this is in fact a suicide." he says.
However, Hartshorne's credibility has been questioned due to a conflict of interest. He knew Cobain and Love personally. Hartshorne booked shows in Seattle in the late 80s. He was also a "party friend" of Courtney Love.

During a 1996 lecture by the authors of Who k!lled Kurt Cobain? in Montreal, they showed video taped interviews of Hartshorne admitting he and Love were friends. Hartshorne left Seattle shortly after Kurt's death.

August 22nd 2002 Update: Mr. Hartshorne passed away on August 6th 2002 in a BASE jumping accident.


NO BEHAVIOURAL PATTERN OF suicide

Kurt's friends said he preparing to leave Seattle to join friends on the East coast. Kurt apparently had made plans to see one of his favorite bands who were touring the East coast at the time. He also made plans with his grandfather, Leland Cobain, to go fishing. Michael Stipe, of R.E.M., says Kurt was going to visit him to work on music. They had struck up a friendship and planned to record something together. Why would someone that is about to commit suicide make these types of plans? When Tom Grant asked Kurt's best friend Dylan Carlson if he thought Cobain was suicidal, he was adamant, saying, "No. Not at all," and added that despite the major changes imminent in his life, Cobain was "pretty upbeat." Mark Lanegan (of the band Screaming Trees), another of Cobain's close friends, expressed the same sentiment to Grant, and later told reporters for Rolling Stone, "I never knew Kurt to be suicidal." In a Rolling Stone interview a few months earlier, Kurt was quoted as saying "I've never been more happier in my life". Not one of the therapists who spoke with Cobain just a few days before his death at the Exodus Treatment Center (one of the most renowned drug rehabilitation facilities in the country) considered him suicidal. Finally, Tom Grant and Rosemary Carroll had an impassioned conversation in which she exclaimed, "He wasn't suicidal, Tom. Kurt wasn't suicidal!" For more documented quotes from friends and family close to Kurt in the final weeks, please read Kurt Was Not Suicidal by Frances Barnett.

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How credible is this? If so then why didnt they go after her in court? Very interesting...
 04-30-2005, 11:36 AM         #4
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i really don't know....but even the police said he didn't k!ll himself...and all of yall think that the cops don't do anything when a rapper dies....same with any musician...
 11 years ago '04        #5
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sh*t, I never knew what to believe....but he should've never been doin Heroin in the fu*kin first place! It don't matter if someone fu*kin od'd him, he still had bad fu*kin habits...sh*t comes back to get ya
 04-30-2005, 11:40 AM         #6
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damn thats insane.. fu*k that bi*ch
 04-30-2005, 11:48 AM         #7
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 Mod k!lla said:
Who is Kurt Cobain?

Rockstar

Lead singer of the band Nirvana

I hope you werent serious
 04-30-2005, 11:49 AM         #8
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there is more to the story....in smells like teen spirit kurt Cobain is talking sh*t to the Illuminati!!! U don't wanna fu*k with them guys!!
 04-30-2005, 11:51 AM         #9
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KURT COBAIN AND THE ILLUMINATI
Variations of the following appears on the internet from time to time: "Evidence has come to light that the lead singer of Nirvana was a relentless foe of the Illuminati, and was k!lled when he came too close to the truth. In fact he went so far as to name his band after one mentioned in he "Illuminatis!" trilogy, the expose published in the mid seventies Anti-illuminati messages can be found in many Nirvana recordings, including "Smells like Teen Spirit" ("John Dillinger Died for You" can be heard when playing the record backwards)."
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 Mod k!lla said:
I was serious, I dont listen to rock or what ever the hell their were suppose to be. Im black. We dont get giggy wit that sh*t where im from.
WOW...you dont have to listen to rock to know who Kurt Cobain was and that he tried he committed "suicide". Either you are mad young or didnt have a TV around this time.
 04-30-2005, 12:00 PM         #11
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cuz u hate mods :(....just kidding...i'll prop u when i can...musta been an accident...or maybe it wasn't
 04-30-2005, 12:03 PM         #12
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 mr'mpc said:
KURT COBAIN AND THE ILLUMINATI
Variations of the following appears on the internet from time to time: "Evidence has come to light that the lead singer of Nirvana was a relentless foe of the Illuminati, and was k!lled when he came too close to the truth. In fact he went so far as to name his band after one mentioned in he "Illuminatis!" trilogy, the expose published in the mid seventies Anti-illuminati messages can be found in many Nirvana recordings, including "Smells like Teen Spirit" ("John Dillinger Died for You" can be heard when playing the record backwards)."

holy sh*t man... thats nuts... wat other songs can do that.. from any artist?
 04-30-2005, 12:05 PM         #13
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some of pac's songs got some truth in it...that may be why he really died....
 04-30-2005, 12:38 PM         #14
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good read props for article
 04-30-2005, 12:42 PM         #15
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since he died they have always suspected courtney but they never got anything solid on her, and she became famous off his death too....i liked nirvana too still listen to some of there sh*t now
 04-30-2005, 12:46 PM         #16
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 Mod k!lla said:
First uv all, I do watch tv, just not all the time probably like you. Second, if its rock related I turn the channel. Third, it wasnt like it was on all the channels, cnn, or all over Bet. Dont watch MTV that much. Last its called University of Houston. We have stuff to do on campus so my life is very busy during the week and weekend stupid a.ss. Its not like people were talking about it on campus. Yea we here almost everything that goes on because it is a big campus, so its not like we turn def's ear on sh*t. Again I listen to rap and r&b, not rock. Nothing against it. Again im black, its not up my ally.
back in 94 when cobain died, it actually was all over the news.
 11 years ago '05        #17
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he k!lled himself, who said he shot up before he blew his brains out, and it was his gun.

and to main man who said it wasnt on the news must not watch tv or have a life every channel reported that he did that it was everywhere


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 04-30-2005, 12:47 PM         #18
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 Mod k!lla said:
First uv all, I do watch tv, just not all the time probably like you. Second, if its rock related I turn the channel. Third, it wasnt like it was on all the channels, cnn, or all over Bet. Dont watch MTV that much. Last its called University of Houston. We have stuff to do on campus so my life is very busy during the week and weekend stupid a.ss. Its not like people were talking about it on campus. Yea we here almost everything that goes on because it is a big campus, so its not like we turn def's ear on sh*t. Again I listen to rap and r&b, not rock. Nothing against it. Again im black, its not up my ally.
Kurt CObain died in 1994. How long u been in college homeboy? hahahahU mad ignorant
 04-30-2005, 12:49 PM         #19
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 mistadontplay said:
he k!lled himself, who said he shot up before he blew his brains out, and it was his gun.

and to main man who said it wasnt on the news must not watch tv or have a life every channel reported that he did that it was everywhere
How else was he suppose to shot up after he blew his brains out????
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Say homie who are the illuminatis
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