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 3 months ago '09        #1
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SWBF2 Grind Backlash Results in Most Down-voted comment in Reddit History !
 

 
An Electronic Arts representative on Sunday responded to the claim that unlocking one of Battlefront 2’s biggest heroes or villains will take 40 hours of gameplay. It did not go very well.

EA’s community team responded in a thread on the Battlefront subreddit yesterday saying that the time required to unlock Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker was meant “to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes.”

In effectively confirming the 40 hour requirement, EA’s reply has a whopping -228,000 points. (That’s downvotes minus upvotes. If there were any.) If this list on the subreddit ListOfComments is correct, EA’s comment is the most downvoted in history, nearly 10 times more than second place (which “literally asked for [downvotes]”). That subreddit’s community is aware, and eye-goggling at the hate thrown EA’s way.


The rest of the EA comment that got so much hate:

As for cost, we selected initial values based upon data from the Open Beta and other adjustments made to milestone rewards before launch. Among other things, we're looking at average per-player credit earn rates on a daily basis, and we'll be making constant adjustments to ensure that players have challenges that are compelling, rewarding, and of course attainable via gameplay.

We appreciate the candid feedback, and the passion the community has put forth around the current topics here on Reddit, our forums and across numerous social media outlets.

Our team will continue to make changes and monitor community feedback and update everyone as soon and as often as we can.
Users were not having it.

“People being able to’bypass the ‘accomplishment and sense of pride from unlocking" while you are forced to play as much as a full time job to unlock a single character in the same amount of time it takes some people to get paychecks is ridiculous,” said Scrambles84.

The first reply to EA put it even more concretely:

“Hutt contracts and their rewards were a sense of pride and accomplishment. Various account level races and trooper skins were a sense of accomplishment,” Yuanrang wrote, referencing features of the first Battlefront. “Locking iconic characters behind credit walls that will take dozens of hours to get one is just insane, especially when I am willing to bet you have tons of heroes planned which will be behind similar paywalls?

“You cannot ever attain a sense of pride and accomplishment from that, because most sane people will give up long before this,” they added.

And another user observed: “If I had a credit for every downvote you've gotten I could finally unlock Darth Vader!”

The 40-hour estimate came from this spreadsheet and post in the Battlefront subreddit over the weekend, shortly before Battlefront 2’s 10-hour preview went live on EA Access and Origin Access. To be clear, that estimate was made after playing 21 matches in the Galactic a.ssault multiplayer mode, and game credits are awarded to superior performance, for reaching milestones, or for completing certain points of Battlefront 2’s single-player campaign. But the analysis found that multiplayer matches awarded, on average, 250 credits per 10 minutes of play. At 60,000 credits for Vader and Skywalker, that comes to about 40 hours of play, and EA’s comment about accomplishment doesn’t appear to dispute that.

In fact, an EA rep gave another response directly to the original post, that said:

Our goal involves creating a compelling progression path for all of our players. There's a lot of content at launch with even more coming via live service, and we'll continuously adjust our progression mechanics to give players a sense of accomplishment as they explore all of Battlefront 2.

I posted this in another thread, but feel it would be good to post here as well.

Heroes earned through Credits: The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes. [...]

Credits Earned: We're looking at the results daily and will be continuing to tune this to ensure that players feel a meaningful sense of reward for the time they spend with Battlefront 2.

We appreciate the conversation here, and our team is working to make the best choices possible for the game and the players. We will provide more details and updates as we can.
That has a -6,557 score, which would be good for ninth place all time.

Star Wars Battlefront 2 launches Nov. 17 for PlayStation 4, Windows PC and Xbox One.

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 3 months ago '12        #2
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I'd say this is relevant but the only reason it got that many downvotes was because redditors wanted to do something funny.

That being said this business practice is awful, and while EA used to be(and apparently still is) the main target of people's ire, every major publisher is gonna do this in some way.

We as gamers have proven that microtransactions are INCREDIBLY profitable and are here to stay.
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 3 months ago '09        #3
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 Faythung said:
I'd say this is relevant but the only reason it got that many downvotes was because redditors wanted to do something funny.

That being said this business practice is awful, and while EA used to be(and apparently still is) the main target of people's ire, every major publisher is gonna do this in some way.

We as gamers have proven that microtransactions are INCREDIBLY profitable and are here to stay.
Yea but it seems EA is trying to stretch things a little bit with things like this and also the rumor that Madden (and most likely FIFA) may go sub-based.

40Hrs of gameplay to unlock Darth Vader ? That's absolutely crazy.

Not only that but , in general , the whole Friday release with "early access" on Tuesday now. Games have always released on Tuesday.

EA trying to see how far they can go....
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 3 months ago '09        #4
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Update....

Seems enough noise was made....


Since the start of the project, listening to fans has been important in making sure Star Wars™ Battlefront™ II is the very best experience for all of you. We’ve done this with the closed alpha, through the beta last month, and our Play First Trial. And we continue to make adjustments based on your feedback as the game launches worldwide this week. Listening, and providing choices in how you play, will always be our principle with Star Wars Battlefront II. We want to ensure the game is balanced and fun both today and for years into the future.

Making games great comes from regular tuning. As one example, today we’re making a substantial change based on what we’ve seen during the Play First trial. There’s been a lot of discussion around the amount of in-game credits (and time) it takes to unlock some of our heroes, especially Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. Unlocking a hero is a great accomplishment in the game, something we want players to have fun earning. We used data from the beta to help set those levels, but it’s clear that more changes were needed.

So, we’re reducing the amount of credits needed to unlock the top heroes by 75%. Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader will now be available for 15,000 credits; Emperor Palpatine, Chewbacca, and Leia Organa for 10,000 credits; and Iden at 5,000 credits. Based on what we’ve seen in the trial, this amount will make earning these heroes an achievement, but one that will be accessible for all players.

It's a big change, and it’s one we can make quickly. It will be live today, with an update that is getting loaded into the game.


We’ve also been listening to how much you’re loving features in the game (Starf!ghter a.ssault, 40 player MP battles, Darth Maul lightsaber throws, etc.) as well as what you haven’t liked. We know some of our most passionate fans, including those in our subreddit, have voiced their opinions, and we hear you. We’re making the changes to the credit levels for unlocking heroes and we’re going to keep making changes to improve the game experience over time. We welcome the conversation.

In fact, this Wednesday we’d like you to join us for a Reddit AMA with some of the key leads on our team. Stay tuned to our social channels for more info on the AMA, and our blog for continual updates on what we’re seeing, hearing and adjusting in the game.

For those of you already playing, thank you. For those of you looking forward to playing the Star Wars™ game you’ve been waiting for, thank you, too. The team is fully committed to listening to our community, continually adjusting the game, and providing even more great Star Wars content over the upcoming months and years of live service updates. More to come.

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 3 months ago '05        #5
Chuck_Remixed 272 heat pts272
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Smfh. Easy pass
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 3 months ago '15        #6
Kden 50 heat pts50
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Still the funniest headline about EA


"EA admits it can do better but blames worst company success on homophobes and whiny Madden fans"

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 3 months ago '04        #7
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wanted to play MUT on madden then realized they wanted me to pay for the players???
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mainevent4u88 103 heat pts103
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meanwhile 2k devs counting their Haircut VC money like


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 3 months ago '11        #9
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 Mark-Ez said:
wanted to play MUT on madden then realized they wanted me to pay for the players???
The first year it was out was the only time to play it. I want to play it every year and I remind my self I'm not paying fkin 39.99 for a bundle of players..anythjng less is a waste of money..youll get trash in those couple packs.
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 Faythung said:
I'd say this is relevant but the only reason it got that many downvotes was because redditors wanted to do something funny.

That being said this business practice is awful, and while EA used to be(and apparently still is) the main target of people's ire, every major publisher is gonna do this in some way.

We as gamers have proven that microtransactions are INCREDIBLY profitable and are here to stay.
This has to be the dumbest sh*t I read. This isn't RELEVANT because 'redditors' thought it was funny. It's RELEVANT because this greedy business model is toxic. We as gamers can prove that microtranscations are INCREDIBLY toxic to the industry as a whole, and we can prove this by voting with our wallets. Don't pay these fu*kers (evidently this was essentially the driving point of the 'redditors' arguments.).

Boo and slap this man


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 3 months ago '12        #11
Faythung 1391 heat pts1391
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 emperor said:
This has to be the dumbest sh*t I read. This isn't RELEVANT because 'redditors' thought it was funny. It's RELEVANT because this greedy business model is toxic. We as gamers can prove that microtranscations are INCREDIBLY toxic to the industry as a whole, and we can prove this by voting with our wallets. Don't pay these fu*kers (evidently this was essentially the driving point of the 'redditors' arguments.).

Boo and slap this man
As in it being the most downvoted thing in Reddit history isnt particularly relevant, as hundreds of thousands of those downvotes are from people who more than likely arent even gamers or even know what they were downvoting.

The rest of your argument has nothing to do with what i said.

Also unfortunately gamers as a whole are ok with this toxic business model, they are voting with their wallets, in favor of it.


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 3 months ago '17        #12
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Wait a minute, people who play online shooters are complaining about grinding for 40 fu*king hours?
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 3 months ago '15        #13
emperor 1 heat pts
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being 2nd most downvoted reddit post in it's history is pretty evident. Lets just compare the age of the post to the negative karma, no other thread in reddit garnered such negative reaction...ever.

This proves that games as a whole are not ok with this toxic business model. This is further reinforced by EA coming out and modifying the payment model, which was referenced in a few posts above.
 3 months ago '07        #14
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Microtransactions are acceptable in F2P games...

If this was F2P, it would be less of a strike against it.

If you pay retail price for a game, microtransactions should be extremely limited and ONLY utilized to access additional DLC content that is unnecessary to gameplay.

If you pay for a game, you should have access to everything in said game through fair progression and no one should be able to have an immediate advantage in gameplay via spending.

EA is doing this damage to themselves. The Battlefield pay to get stuff quicker was pushing it. Battlefront breaks it in every way conceivable.
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 3 months ago '15        #15
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yea i was thinking bout gettin it but nah... fu*k all that.
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 SPdaGOAT said:
Wait a minute, people who play online shooters are complaining about grinding for 40 fu*king hours?
It's more the issue that beforehand just to unlock Darth Vader or Luke you needed to grind 40 hours for just one of them without spending any money on anything else. Hell, even the single player campaign's character Iden Versio you have to spend currency when she should have either been unlocked from the jump or beating the campaign.
 3 months ago '11        #17
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Literally had the blueprint from the OG series. Just had to build upon the foundation that was already laid down.


Corporate greed is a motherfu*ka'.
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 SATX said:
It's more the issue that beforehand just to unlock Darth Vader or Luke you needed to grind 40 hours for just one of them without spending any money on anything else. Hell, even the single player campaign's character Iden Versio you have to spend currency when she should have either been unlocked from the jump or beating the campaign.
I mean havent we been grinding in shooters to unlock sh*t since CoD4? Maybe even longer.

n*ggas is gonna log 1000s of hours on this game anyways
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fu*k EA messing around with my childhood
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