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Oct 17 - Tesla fired hundreds of workers after bad performance reviews
 

 
Tesla recently fired scores of employees after annual performance reviews.

A former Tesla employee told Reuters "about 400 people" in a range of positions were shown the door. As Business Insider's Bryan Logan reported, Tesla declined to confirm how many people were fired. The dismissals happened just after Tesla CEO Elon Musk said there were "production bottlenecks" on the Model 3 car, Logan reported.

If your reaction on hearing this news is to freak out and to wonder whether your own job is at stake, don't. Business Insider spoke to experts who said the firings at Tesla are hardly indicative of a trend in the workplace.

As national workplace expert and bestselling author Lynn Taylor put it, the possibility of being fired when you work for a company like Tesla "kind of goes with the territory."

Taylor explained that because Tesla is a uniquely innovative and disruptive company, "there are going to be probably more shifts in employment levels" than at, say, a century-old company.

"The opportunities are so great there," Taylor said of Tesla. "You can choose another industry that makes lightbulbs for the automotive industry for the last 50 years, with slight tweaks, or you can be in an industry that reinvents itself every year."

Taylor also caveated that we don't yet know whether the firings were preceded by a paper trail that revealed evidence of poor performance. In other words: We shouldn't necessarily a.ssume that the employees who were let go were completely surprised.

Michael Kerr, an international business speaker and author of "The Humor Advantage," pointed out that many companies including some Fortune 500 companies are ditching traditional performance reviews entirely. As Business Insider has previously reported, IBM is moving toward more regular feedback and "coaching," as opposed to managing, employees.

Tesla's firings en masse after poor performance reviews are "not even close to a trend or starting a trend," Kerr said. "I don't think anybody should be worried unless you work for Tesla."

That said, Kerr added:

"If it does make employees nervous or concerned, then I think the obvious thing to do is to make sure you sit down with your boss right away and just have an honest, candid conversation.

"Say, 'Look, I saw this story. It's a little disconcerting. Do you think that anything like that could happen in our company? Do I have anything to be worried about? What can I do to make sure I continue to be a valued a.sset in this organization?'"

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36 comments for "Oct 17 - Tesla fired hundreds of workers after bad performance reviews"
 11 months ago '14        #2
strungout 381 heat pts381
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Stopped fu*king with elon musk after i found out he supported sterilization and other birth/ population control tactics in third world countries .

 11 months ago '07        #3
IFuckedUrMom 25 heat pts25
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 strungout said
Stopped fu*king with elon musk after i found out he supported sterilization and other birth/ population control tactics in third world countries .
Good point, but what is the alternative? Starving children? Disease riddled children? What's the point of bringing in a child u can't care for?
Birth control is def an option, but would the sterilization be forced upon their populace or do they have a choice? If so, then why stop fu*kin with him?

Just interested, never heard that til u mentioned it.

 11 months ago '17        #4
Naga Sadow 8 heat pts
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They need to fire Tesla designers for the POS cars they make. I test drove a P85D when it was new and the build quality was abysmal. Large uneven panel gaps, atge use of switch gear from a Dodge Dart, and rattles. The reason why the cars are really delayed is because the make stupid engineering design design decisions like the stupid and faulty falcon doors and floating seats that don't fold and move unnecessarily in the Model X.

 11 months ago '14        #5
strungout 381 heat pts381
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 Ifu*kedUrMom said
Good point, but what is the alternative? Starving children? Disease riddled children? What's the point of bringing in a child u can't care for?
Birth control is def an option, but would the sterilization be forced upon their populace or do they have a choice? If so, then why stop fu*kin with him?

Just interested, never heard that til u mentioned it.
Yeah you right just think its absurd that he is advocating these sort of extremes that basically dehumanize you

And nobody is being forced (that i know of) but they make it very atrractive to poor people by offering money in exchange for going thru with it but the types of conditions these procedures take place in are embarrasing and i heard of females dying months after leavin the clinic

Its like the opposite of what they doing in denmark and sweden where ur paid and encouraged to have kids

 11 months ago '07        #6
IFuckedUrMom 25 heat pts25
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 strungout said
Yeah you right just think its absurd that he is advocating these sort of extremes that basically dehumanize you

And nobody is being forced but they make it very atrractive to poor people by offering money in exchange for going thru with it but the types of conditions these procedures take place in are embarrasing and i heard of females dying months after leavin the clinic

Its like the opposite of what they doing in denmark and sweden where ur paid and encouraged to have kids
Jesus.. that's terrible if they dying months after the procedure.
Thanks for the info!

 11 months ago '13        #7
Erma Gerd 298 heat pts298
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This just in: Business makes business decision.

 11 months ago '11        #8
DJ Linx 6 heat pts
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Sounds about right

 11 months ago '04        #9
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 strungout said
Yeah you right just think its absurd that he is advocating these sort of extremes that basically dehumanize you

And nobody is being forced (that i know of) but they make it very atrractive to poor people by offering money in exchange for going thru with it but the types of conditions these procedures take place in are embarrasing and i heard of females dying months after leavin the clinic

Its like the opposite of what they doing in denmark and sweden where ur paid and encouraged to have kids
where's the proof, receipts, paper trail, interviews, articles, sources to these claims - because you're claiming a lot and I don't think your're providing the full story.

 11 months ago '05        #10
pnoi89 14 heat pts14
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Good. People either incapable of the job and/or lazy SHOULD be let go. I can't stand workers who produce terribly, but somehow still have a job.

 11 months ago '04        #11
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 pnoi89 said
Good. People either incapable of the job and/or lazy SHOULD be let go. I can't stand workers who produce terribly, but somehow still have a job.
I think Elon promised too much

I hate when people lose jobs it effects so much the kids, the lifestyle, relationships ect.

You can be apart of a team working your a.ss off and get let go. Trying to find a rewarding career that pays as it should is hard enough.

More CEO's should be fired more than anything.

fu*king Yahoo CEO the woman did a horrible job and got a bigger severance package than her 10 yr salary

 11 months ago '13        #12
pizzolini 2 heat pts
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Nobody can complain about delays on a electric car. It’s fuking electric.

 11 months ago '13        #13
Phenom354 
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I'm willing to bet it was in an attempt to stop unionization.

 11 months ago '04        #14
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 strungout said
Yeah you right just think its absurd that he is advocating these sort of extremes that basically dehumanize you

And nobody is being forced (that i know of) but they make it very atrractive to poor people by offering money in exchange for going thru with it but the types of conditions these procedures take place in are embarrasing and i heard of females dying months after leavin the clinic

Its like the opposite of what they doing in denmark and sweden where ur paid and encouraged to have kids
Denmark aborts 98% of all down syndrome fetuses, too. Eugenics is a super touchy subject.

 11 months ago '04        #15
Decan45 2 heat pts
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 Phenom354 said
I'm willing to bet it was in an attempt to stop unionization.
Tesla is already a heavily subsidized company. Tax payers are funding projects, whether they like it or not, to push theoretical models for an electric car future. If you add unionization on top of that, you have drastic increases in costs, which make this technology that much harder to spread, and you ultimately pass on those costs to both taxpayers and consumers.

Besides that, the article said it was based on performance reviews which showed production bottlenecks, not activism. If Tesla is going to be taking taxpayer handouts, I'd at least like to see them try to run an efficient, lean operation that doesn't tolerate losers, slackers and/or the incompetent.

 11 months ago '10        #16
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 strungout said
Yeah you right just think its absurd that he is advocating these sort of extremes that basically dehumanize you

And nobody is being forced (that i know of) but they make it very atrractive to poor people by offering money in exchange for going thru with it but the types of conditions these procedures take place in are embarrasing and i heard of females dying months after leavin the clinic

Its like the opposite of what they doing in denmark and sweden where ur paid and encouraged to have kids
The truth about "dehumanizing" is that it's just a feeling. Without humans, there is no right or wrong, but with humans, it's "what we feel" is right or wrong. The term "survival of the fittest" will stay relevant. Funny how people think they're so special just because they have a higher level of conciousness when in reality (as George Carlin put it) one day the earth will shake us off like a bad case of flees. Not saying I'm a super cold person although I do believe only the strong should survive. But if you're in a place of great power, and you're not using that power to help mankinds wellbeing, you're a POS. Look around, look at capitalism and our way of life, POS's own the world and don't care, too many people choose making money overall, even if it screws up someone else's life. Wish things were better though for us all. Not sure if you heard of Peter Joseph but the man does make some good points.

 11 months ago '11        #17
awww 125 heat pts125
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Why is this surprising if its a factory most jobs will be automated soon which human sure then switch our brains into something more productive like the fu*king antibiotic beginning to be absolute and stop fu*king working or like we still depending on fossil fuel ahh heres another us being stuck on one fu*king planet where there are billions and trillions of them. Instead of worrying about when the fu*king world going to end we need to be worried about how to expand it and making our lives better but we are too busy worried about robots taking over. That's just like god worrying about us destroying him if a god exist...........RANT OVER

 11 months ago '15        #18
Mexicanelvis 8 heat pts
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They brought in the Bobs

 11 months ago '11        #19
BtMkRs 12 heat pts12
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I believe Elon wants to make the best battery tech in the world . The cars are to get the Real car companies to step up

 11 months ago '16        #20
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 strungout said
Stopped fu*king with elon musk after i found out he supported sterilization and other birth/ population control tactics in third world countries .
Soooo, you are ok with 3rd world nations bringing in children that are going to starve?

 11 months ago '04        #21
deziking 106 heat pts106
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I wonder why he hasn't tackled clean water subject yet.

 11 months ago '15        #22
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 Ifu*kedUrMom said
Good point, but what is the alternative? Starving children? Disease riddled children? What's the point of bringing in a child u can't care for?
Birth control is def an option, but would the sterilization be forced upon their populace or do they have a choice? If so, then why stop fu*kin with him?

Just interested, never heard that til u mentioned it.
When it comes to poverty and kids people get all touchy feely when you start asking the tough questions. I feel kind of comfy financially. How tf can a man be raw doggin like its going out of style on two dollars a day? That is negligence

 11 months ago '15        #23
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 Naga Sadow said
They need to fire Tesla designers for the POS cars they make. I test drove a P85D when it was new and the build quality was abysmal. Large uneven panel gaps, atge use of switch gear from a Dodge Dart, and rattles. The reason why the cars are really delayed is because the make stupid engineering design design decisions like the stupid and faulty falcon doors and floating seats that don't fold and move unnecessarily in the Model X.
its amazing the Model x is moving any units. that thing looks like a modern day Pontiac Aztec.


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 11 months ago '15        #24
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 Brucebaner2 said
Soooo, you are ok with 3rd world nations bringing in children that are going to starve?
The real question is how these countries became third world nations for people to even impose the practice of eugenics. To what end is this happening because...

And since there is a South African connection to Elon Musk...


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I mean, it wouldn't be too far fetched...

 11 months ago '13        #25
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 Decan45 said
Tesla is already a heavily subsidized company. Tax payers are funding projects, whether they like it or not, to push theoretical models for an electric car future. If you add unionization on top of that, you have drastic increases in costs, which make this technology that much harder to spread, and you ultimately pass on those costs to both taxpayers and consumers.

Besides that, the article said it was based on performance reviews which showed production bottlenecks, not activism. If Tesla is going to be taking taxpayer handouts, I'd at least like to see them try to run an efficient, lean operation that doesn't tolerate losers, slackers and/or the incompetent.
You can put a label to the firing however you want. There is stuff coming out about the firings being unjust and the performance related accusations being false.

Ex employees are claiming their performance reviews were fine and even possibly altered to reflect poor performance. There's even stuff about how they had union t-shirt friday.

Let's not act like their isn't a possibility of union related cuts happening.

What makes more sense? Tesla firing 700+ employees when they need them the most to meet model 3 ramp up off "performance"? Or that it was a last ditch attempt to stop unionization.

Tesla already underpays their a.ssembly workers $20/hr compared to the uaw nation average of $25.

 11 months ago '04        #26
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 Phenom354 said
You can put a label to the firing however you want. There is stuff coming out about the firings being unjust and the performance related accusations being false.

Ex employees are claiming their performance reviews were fine and even possibly altered to reflect poor performance. There's even stuff about how they had union t-shirt friday.

Let's not act like their isn't a possibility of union related cuts happening.

What makes more sense? Tesla firing 700+ employees when they need them the most to meet model 3 ramp up off "performance"? Or that it was a last ditch attempt to stop unionization.

Tesla already underpays their a.ssembly workers $20/hr compared to the uaw nation average of $25.
Article says about 400, not 700+.

Tesla is losing money, despite their growth. They're trying to put the proliferation of their technology before profits, for the obvious climate reasons which they believe are imminent, and to stay ahead of the curve on this emergent market. They have no obligation to increase wages.

Unions are by definition a form of legally ambiguous extortion and notoriously corrupt. If you don't want to make $20/hr working for Tesla, then don't apply for the job.

 11 months ago '13        #27
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 Decan45 said
Article says about 400, not 700+.

Tesla is losing money, despite their growth. They're trying to put the proliferation of their technology before profits, for the obvious climate reasons which they believe are imminent, and to stay ahead of the curve on this emergent market. They have no obligation to increase wages.

Unions are by definition a form of legally ambiguous extortion and notoriously corrupt. If you don't want to make $20/hr working for Tesla, then don't apply for the job.



On Friday, the San Jose Mercury News first reported that Tesla had dismissed an estimated 400 to 700 employees. That number represents between 1 and 2 percent of its entire workforce.

But one former employee, citing internal information shared by a manager, said the total number fired is higher than 700 at this point.

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A former employee told CNBC that the number of sacked individuals now totals more than 700—over the upper boundary of the range suggested in last week’s reports. That’s more than 2% of Tesla’s total workforce.

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He was fired, he believes, because he spoke up about safety issues at employee meetings and because he wore a union shirt on what’s become Union Shirt Friday for some workers at the Telsa plant. “I had a union sticker on my water bottle, too,” he said.

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Is there a connection between the UAW campaign and the firings?

Some of those who were let go certainly think so. “I had great performance reviews. I don’t believe I was fired for performance,” Daniel Grant told The Los Angeles Times. He has worked at the Fremont factory since 2014 as a production a.ssistant and suspects he was fired because he raised safety issues and supported a union drive.

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 11 months ago '04        #28
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mediocrity is plaguing society now. A bunch of shallow, hyped up average-ness passed off as something special is not scalable. People who scheme the system, consistently deliver below expectations, cause more of a strain on the company/economy than benefit should be let go. We're too pussified now days into thinking people deserve sh*t without earning it. If you do a poor job, you should be fired. period.

 11 months ago '17        #29
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 Robespierre said
The real question is how these countries became third world nations for people to even impose the practice of eugenics. To what end is this happening because...

And since there is a South African connection to Elon Musk...


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I mean, it wouldn't be too far fetched...
what wouldn't be too far fetched?

 11 months ago '14        #30
strungout 381 heat pts381
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nah im not okay with it , but i think these gov'ts and these religions in these countries are working a.ss backwards

they are trying to put a bandage on a wound that just wont heal and continues bleeding


not until females start getting treated with equal rights , get access to education, and jobs, contraceptives, all of these basic necessities will sh*t change man

just saying "alright we'll slide you a few dollars so you can eat for a month, but the catch is you can no longer have kids".....and if you really starving what you going to do??

you going to take that money

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