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Jun 12 - Trump is already guilty in the Russia scandal—here’s the evidence


 


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Jun 12 - Trump is already guilty in the Russia scandal—here’s the evidence
 

 
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The Trump-Russia scandal is the subject of multiple investigations that may or may not unearth new revelations, but this much is already certain: Donald Trump is guilty.

We don’t need additional information about the Russian covert scheme to undermine the 2016 campaign, or about the curious interactions between Team Trump and Russia, or about Trump pressuring and then firing FBI Director James Comey, to reach the judgment that the president of the United States engaged in wrongdoing.

From the start, Trump and his crew have claimed they had nothing to do with the hack-and-leak operation mounted by Russian intelligence to help Trump nab the presidency. They have dismissed the matter as fake news, and they have insisted there is no issue because there has been no proof that the Trump campaign conspired with Russia. In May, for instance, Trump proclaimed, “Believe me, there’s no collusion.” Nothing to see; move along.

Explicit collusion may yet be proved by the FBI investigation overseen by special counsel Robert Mueller or by other ongoing probes. But even if it is not, a harsh verdict can be pronounced: Trump actively and enthusiastically aided and abetted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s plot against America. This is the scandal. It already exists—in plain sight.

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As soon as the news broke a year ago that the Russians had penetrated the Democratic National Committee’s computer systems, Trump launched a campaign of denial and distraction. For months, he refused to acknowledge the Kremlin’s role. He questioned expert and government findings that pinned the blame on Moscow. He refused to condemn Putin. Far from treating these acts of information warfare seriously, he attempted to politicize and delegitimize the evidence. Meanwhile, he and his supporters encouraged more Russian hacking. All told, Trump provided cover for a foreign government’s attempt to undermine American democracy. Through a propaganda campaign of his own, he helped Russia get away with it. As James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence, testified to Congress this spring, Trump “helps the Russians by obfuscating who was actually responsible.”

On June 15, 2016, the day after the Washington Post reported that the DNC had been hacked and that cybersecurity experts had identified two groups linked to the Russian government as the perps, Trump’s campaign issued a statement blaming the victim: “We believe it was the DNC that did the ‘hacking’ as a way to distract from the many issues facing their deeply flawed candidate and failed party leader.” The intent was obvious: to impede somber consideration of the Russian intervention, to have voters and reporters see it as just another silly political hullabaloo.

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In the following weeks, Trump continued to claim the Russia story was fiction. After WikiLeaks dumped nearly 20,000 DNC emails—a move that nearly blew up the Democratic convention—Trump tweeted, “The new joke in town is that Russia leaked the disastrous DNC e-mails, which should never have been written (stupid), because Putin likes me.” Two days later, he proclaimed at a news conference, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.” Trump supporters including Rep. Mike Pompeo, who would become Trump’s CIA director, and Roger Stone, the longtime political dirty trickster, cheered on WikiLeaks.

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What could be better for Putin? The US government had called him out—yet Trump was discrediting this conclusion.

By midsummer, numerous cyber experts had bolstered the conclusion that Russia was behind the hacks. And President Barack Obama echoed those findings. So anyone paying attention to the facts—say, a presidential candidate and his advisers—would have been aware of this fundamental point. Indeed, in August, during his first intelligence briefing as the Republican presidential nominee, Trump was reportedly told that there were direct links between the hacks and the Russian government.

Still, he didn’t change his tune. During a September 8 interview with RT, the Kremlin-controlled broadcaster that has been accused of disseminating fake news and propaganda, Trump discounted the Russian connection: “I think maybe the Democrats are putting that out. Who knows, but I think it’s pretty unlikely.” (Yes, he did this on RT.) He repeated a similar line at the first presidential debate at the end of that month, with his famous reference to how the DNC hacker “could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?”
Private experts and US intelligence had already determined that Russia had pulled off this caper. Trump had been told this. Yet he continued to deny Russia’s culpability, actively protecting Moscow.

Many Republicans followed his lead. Trump’s stance—treating a widely shared conclusion as controversial speculation—essentially foreclosed a vigorous and bipartisan response to the Moscow intervention. It is hard to imagine how this did not embolden Russian intelligence and reinforce Putin’s belief that he had backed the right horse.

On October 7, the Department of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence blew the whistle on Moscow, issuing a statement that the DNC hack and related cyberattacks had been authorized by “Russia’s senior-most officials.” Yet Trump remained on the side of the enemy. That same day, the now notorious grab-them-by-the-pus*y video surfaced—and less than an hour after that story broke, WikiLeaks began releasing thousands of stolen emails from John Podesta, the Clinton campaign’s chairman. Trump’s response, at the second presidential debate: “I notice, anytime anything wrong happens, they like to say ‘the Russians.’ Well, [Hillary Clinton] doesn’t know if it’s the Russians doing the hacking. Maybe there is no hacking.” The next day at a campaign rally, Trump, citing some of the Podesta emails, exclaimed, “I love WikiLeaks!”
Trump continued calling the Russia story a hoax, a*serting that the hacks might have been waged by China or others. And he still showed no signs of confronting Putin.

What could be better for Putin? The US government had called him out, yet the GOP presidential candidate was discrediting this conclusion. Trump made it tougher for Obama and the White House to denounce Putin publicly—to do so, they feared, would give Trump cause to argue they were trying to rig the election against him.

At the final debate, Clinton accurately summed up Trump’s position: “It’s pretty clear you won’t admit that the Russians have engaged in cyberattacks against the United States of America, that you encouraged espionage against our people.” Trump replied, “Our country has no idea” who pulled off the hacks.
After the election, he maintained this stance. “It’s time for the country to move on,” he said in December. Two weeks later, after the US intelligence establishment released a report concluding Putin had implemented this covert op to install Trump in the White House, the president-elect compared the intelligence community to Nazi Germany. Though he did at one point concede Russia was the culprit, Trump continued calling the Russia story a hoax whipped up by Democrats and eventually reverted to form, a*serting that the hacks might have been waged by China or others. And he still showed no signs of confronting Putin. At the Russian leader’s request, he jovially hosted the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in the Oval Office—and then disclosed top-secret information to them. Moreover, he did this the day after brazenly ousting Comey, who was overseeing the bureau’s probe of Moscow’s meddling and links between Trump a*sociates and Russia.

It’s been common for political observers to say the Trump-Russia controversy has generated a great deal of smoke, but the amount of fire is yet to be determined. It’s true that the various links tying Trump and his a*sociates to Russia have yet to be fully explained. Many questions remain: Was there any specific coordination? If not, did the Trump camp privately signal to Moscow that Russia would get a better deal if Trump were elected? That alone would have provided encouragement for Putin to attack.

This country needs a thorough and public investigation to sort out how the Russian operation worked, how US intelligence and the Obama administration responded, and how Trump and his a*sociates interacted with Russia and WikiLeaks. But whatever happened out of public view, the existing record is already conclusively shameful. Trump and his crew were active enablers of Putin’s operation to subvert an American election. That is fire, not smoke. That is scandal enough.

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30 comments for "Jun 12 - Trump is already guilty in the Russia scandal—here’s the evidence"

 2 years ago '15        #2
DamianDragunov 
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Who's mother jones? Some stay at home mom with a blog?

 2 years ago '05        #3
phantomnation 3064 heat pts3064 OP
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Here a troll, there a troll, everywhere a troll...We love baiting russians bots.


 2 years ago '09        #4
messy marv stan 5179 heat pts5179
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 DamianDragunov said


Who's mother jones? Some stay at home mom with a blog?

its nothing more than a anti-trump propaganda machine. even cnn gets more website visitors

 2 years ago '09        #5
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 DamianDragunov said


Who's mother jones? Some stay at home mom with a blog?

 2 years ago '10        #6
robfromlbc 9 heat pts
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this is seriously becoming more and more pathetic by the day i think its time for me to block bx on my phone permanently bunch of brain dead morons.
Every single day its multiple trump threads yall dont do sh*t with yall lives.

 2 years ago '09        #7
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 messy marv stan said
its nothing more than a anti-trump propaganda machine. even cnn gets more website visitors
Anti-Trump machine = Anti Fake News

 2 years ago '12        #8
OldBusiness 176 heat pts176
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I believe it. I don't believe him.

 2 years ago '16        #9
OWPE 89 heat pts89
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The Russia narrative is fake news. All the senators knew since January that Trump wasn't under investigation, yet the left like schumer, Elizabeth warren, etc were saying "we cant confirm gorsuch until the investigation into Trump is over".


That's the definition of fake news. They were using fake news to "resist" and they knew what they were saying was BS

 2 years ago '17        #10
CamburyBXGreat 4 heat pts
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Russian isn't confirmed to have hacked DNC ....

 2 years ago '14        #11
TooFatToFish 
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 OWPE said
The Russia narrative is fake news. All the senators knew since January that Trump wasn't under investigation, yet the left like schumer, Elizabeth warren, etc were saying "we cant confirm gorsuch until the investigation into Trump is over".


That's the definition of fake news. They were using fake news to "resist" and they knew what they were saying was BS
What's worse....

fake news?

Or...

Changing the rules to get your guy elected?

 2 years ago '10        #12
robfromlbc 9 heat pts
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 MrMention said
But weren't you one of the people consistently propping @ for his Breitbart posts?

no
I can think for myself i didnt agree with everything pusset posted

 2 years ago '04        #13
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 Realist1 said
inbeforefakenews

oh wait, too late..the OP beat me to it with his thread

Triggered...

 2 years ago '16        #14
K1N60FM4573R5 14 heat pts14
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Motherjones.com is the liberal equivelant of Brietbart. Yall need to stop this sh*t before I pull a pusseet and flood this section with articles from Breitbart......f*ggots.


Also, from this article "Here's the evidence........." then goes on to say " collusion may yet be proved by the FBI investigation overseen by special counsel Robert Mueller or by other ongoing probes. But even if it is not, "

In other words, there is NO EVIDENCE. HEARSAY IS NOT EVIDENCE.

And I thought motherfu*kers on here couldn't get any more stupid.......yall never fail to surprise.

 2 years ago '09        #15
WasabiTuna 20 heat pts20
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 K1N60FM4573R5 said
Motherjones.com is the liberal equivelant of Brietbart. Yall need to stop this sh*t before I pull a pusseet and flood this section with articles from Breitbart......f*ggots.


Also, from this article "Here's the evidence........." then goes on to say " collusion may yet be proved by the FBI investigation overseen by special counsel Robert Mueller or by other ongoing probes. But even if it is not, "

In other words, there is NO EVIDENCE. HEARSAY IS NOT EVIDENCE.

And I thought motherfu*kers on here couldn't get any more stupid.......yall never fail to surprise.
whats your favorite hip hop albums?

 2 years ago '09        #16
WasabiTuna 20 heat pts20
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 Realist1 said
tf kinda response is that

or are you one of the idiots who think that if you listen to hip hop you should have the same political opinion as everyone else.

if so, 10-15 years ago, rappers loved Trump - had em on their albums and name dropped him in verses.

man up stop being a sheep - form your own opinions.
whats your favorite hip hop albums?

 2 years ago '06        #17
NeverTrump 102 heat pts102
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They're already backing away from him testifying under oath :jtlol:

 2 years ago '07        #18
Dotel 32 heat pts32
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Fake News

 2 years ago '07        #19
Damagegadget 493 heat pts493
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thge way I see it, they are making sure we arent seeing whats really going on, #ingsoc

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