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Iron Fist Co-Creator Downplays Whitewashing Controversy
 

 

For Marvel fans, the controversy surrounding Netflix’s take on Iron Fist is one that has been heard around the world. The ordeal all began when news broke that Finn Jones had been cast to play Danny Rand, the man behind Iron Fist’s yellow mask. The casting choice was met with mixed reviews as many fans had wanted Marvel to retcon Rand in the series and make him Asian-American. For critics, the choice to retain a white Iron Fist gave subtle credence to cultural appropriation and even whitewashing aesthetics for some camps.

Since Iron Fist debuted, fans have continued to argue about the show’s casting decisions, but there is one person who does not get all the hubbub. In a recent interview with The Inverse, the co-creator of Iron Fist was asked about the show’s sensitive controversy, and Roy Thomas said he did not see a need to look so deeply into the issue.

“Yeah, someone made me vaguely aware of that,” Thomas said. “I try not to think about it too much. I have so little patience for some of the feelings that some people have. I mean, I understand where it’s coming from. You know, cultural appropriation, my god. It’s just an adventure story. Don’t these people have something better to do than to worry about the fact that Iron Fist isn’t Oriental, or whatever word? I know Oriental isn’t the right word now, either.”

Continuing, Thomas admitted many characters created decades ago were products of their time and often reflected culturally insensitive traits. The co-creator said it would be simple enough to make change to existing heroes, but fans may just find it easier to create whole new characters that fit modern values.

“I just think some people have too much time on their hands, I guess,” Thomas said. “They have an infinite capacity for righteous indignation. By and large, that tends to be misplaced quite often because if you’re becoming all upset over things that are just stories, and if you don’t like it, instead of trying to change somebody else’s story, go out and make up your own character and do a good job of it. That’s just fine, but why waste time trying to run down other people’s characters simply because they weren’t created with your standards in mind?”

“Now if something is really racist or degrading to a s*x or race, an ethnic group or something like that, that’s something else, but Iron Fist isn’t that and never has been. It’s all about a fictitious race, a fictitious place like a Shangri-La, and one person who happens to be its emissary. There’s no reason why he can’t be Caucasian.”

Fifteen years after being presumed dead in a plane crash, Danny Rand (Finn Jones) mysteriously returns to New York City determined to reclaim his birthright and family company. However, when a long-destined enemy rises in New York, this living weapon is forced to choose between his family’s legacy and his duties as the Iron Fist.

Marvel’s Iron Fist was developed by Scott Buck. The Netflix series stars Finn Jones as Danny Rand, a martial arts expert with the ability to call upon the power of the Iron Fist. The cast also includes Jessica Henwick, David Wenham, Jessica Stroup, Tom Pelphrey, and Rosario Dawson.


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19 comments for "Iron Fist Co-Creator Downplays Whitewashing Controversy"

 2 years ago '05        #2
Da Gooneyz 5 heat pts
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What an ignorant piece of sh*t. If there was one wrong that Jonathan Hickman gave Marvel the perfect opportunity to right with Secret Wars/ANAD Marvel it was Iron Fist. Marvel could have easily passed the mantle to an Asian protaganist and still keep Danny Rand....but no, we have David Carradine all over again. Marvel dropped the ball. This as*hole all in his emotions simply because he doesnt want the projection of his c*nt self done away with.

 2 years ago '16        #3
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Rand is a white dude in the source material. Wtf is this controversy.

 2 years ago '04        #4
Hakim Cobain 4 heat pts
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made through like 2 1/2 episodes of this trash....drake coulda played that n*gga and no one would give a fu*k

 2 years ago '14        #5
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Dude told no lies

 2 years ago '12        #6
deadpres 4 heat pts
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The fact that I really want to go in on these post but I will get reported

I find it funnier he used Oriental too

 2 years ago '16        #7
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 deadpres said
The fact that I really want to go in on these post but I will get reported

I find it funnier he used Oriental too
looks at avy... don't do it bruh

 2 years ago '14        #8
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 Da Gooneyz said
What an ignorant piece of sh*t. If there was one wrong that Jonathan Hickman gave Marvel the perfect opportunity to right with Secret Wars/ANAD Marvel it was Iron Fist. Marvel could have easily passed the mantle to an Asian protaganist and still keep Danny Rand....but no, we have David Carradine all over again. Marvel dropped the ball. This as*hole all in his emotions simply because he doesnt want the projection of his c*nt self done away with.
People would then argue stereotypes if an Asian took the mantle....

 2 years ago '05        #9
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It's not whitewashing. People don't be knowing wtf they talking about.

In the comics he's Caucasian. So it's not whitewashing, it's just boring, because a lot of these stories are starting to fu*king look and feel the same.

Writing him as an Asian man would've just been stirring the pot a bit, mixing it up, that's all. It's really not a requirement.

 2 years ago '04        #10
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It's not whitewashing, but after seeing how trash Finn jones was I wish they had gone with the guy who played the drunk guard. He read for Iron Fist at first

 2 years ago '16        #11
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Even though iron fist is white it would have fit perfectly if he was Asian. All these changes in marvel changing heroes to female, gay, or black guy. Most don't fit, people didnt asked, lots are force. Iron Fist as an Asian man would have matched the marvel changes today and the super hero himself

 2 years ago '16        #12
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Its not whitewashing its culture appropriation and yes they should have changed the character one cuz finn jones is trash as an actor and not alot of asian reprentation in marvel i cant even name one asain character but the white guy being the better at the martial arts or whatever is a*sociated with their culture is played the fu*k out

 2 years ago '12        #13
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There are Asian Iron Fists, that name is a title passed down, it's not a superhero alias.

Should just ask for a Shang Chi series if they want to see Asian representation. But I doubt the people complaining know who Shang Chi is.


In my opinion Danny being white, and the ancient city being so foreign to him, is crucial to his backstory. White guy loses his mind and takes his privileged family across the world to die searching for Asian Neverland


It doesn't come off as deranged if it's a rich Asian American guy taking his family back to the motherland. And there are less challenges to overcome with a Asian kid being raised in that society, where Danny had to start from scratch and was ostracized until he became the man. He's never portrayed as some great white hope so I don't mind him at all. One of my favorite Marvel characters. I'm not Asian tho so maybe this is all lost on me. But I do think I know the characters better than the people complaining

 2 years ago '14        #14
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Change Keith Ape race to black then. lol.

Asians make up 60% of the world's population and have the most millionaires. Just facts not hating, I just don't think it's possible to 'appropriate' asian culture really. We're all human at the end of the day anyways. All this sh*t is just dividing us, distracting us, and making us stupid. If ANYTHING it's APPRECIATION not APPROPRIATION.

 2 years ago '06        #15
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 0bs1d1an said
It's nit whitewashing if the source material was about a white guy.

 2 years ago '11        #16
whothebestmc 101 heat pts101
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 0bs1d1an said
It's nit whitewashing if the source material was about a white guy.
It's also pretty ironically racist that anybody that does "kung fu" has to be asian.

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Hey Hey, how bout you up-play how TRASH IT IS !!



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 2 years ago '04        #17
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ok im lost....
they keep as true to the source material as i have ever seen and they get complaints?

ok how about this Coleen wing is NOT asian in the comics she is a half breed looks more white than asian....not a peep about that?
i mean the series was ehhhh, just ok to me but it wasnt bad...Daredevil is still the best of them all UNTIL they do Punisher then i think thats goin to be the top biller....

but Marvel has pretty much kept to source material and have done a superb job imo as far as the whole universe.........


as a die hard Marvel fan who loves the source material overall Marvel has 90% of my approval (the 10% is on minor sh*t like Asgard being too bright in color....etc)

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