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OFFICIAL Bloodline Season 2 DISCUSSION Thread
 

 

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You can't escape the past. The Rayburns struggle to conceal an unthinkable crime and begin to unravel in the midst of mounting lies, betrayal, and paranoia.

Watch Season 2 of Bloodline May 27, worldwide on Netflix.

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Cant wait for this...Season 1 was great

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 Truth33 said
Cant wait for this...Season 1 was great

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Only 10 ep

Anyone start it yet?

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How is it?

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'Bloodline' Season 2: TV Review


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Season one was an endurance test, but at least it had a reason for being. This one doesn't, unless predictable fallout is your thing.

Bloodline has always been an odd show trying to make it in a world with too many choices. The drama, heading into its second season on Friday, is from Netflix, but the series is anything but binge-worthy, its first season dragging out often interminable hours that left little desire to hit the play button on the next one.

But the series also wasn't structured like a traditional drama — created primarily with the knowledge that all 13 hours of the first season would drop on the same day, and Netflix subscribers could watch it whenever they wanted in any way they wanted. For creators Todd A. Kessler, Glenn Kessler and Daniel Zelman (who created Damages), that must have seemed like a massive luxury. Unfortunately, it also felt like they were taking advantage of the Netflix concept at the expense of urgency and dramatic tension.

Oh, season one of Bloodline could be both dramatic and tension-filled, to be sure, but only if you labored through all 13 episodes to get the ultimate payoff — and it's not hard to find people who couldn't make that slog.

The benefit of enduring the slow pacing of Bloodline was that two of its stars, Kyle Chandler and Ben Mendelsohn, turned in brilliant acting performances and often elevated the series when they were onscreen together, no matter how languid things were in that particular episode. Meaning, Bloodline was very lucky to have both actors, particularly Mendelsohn, who played the black-sheep brother in the family-with-dark-secrets series. So much was asked of Mendelsohn, and he delivered at every turn.

Should you be one of those people who haven't seen Bloodline and are thinking of starting it, everything after this sentence is going to be a massive spoiler for season one, so take heed and stop reading right now.

For everybody else, well, you know what happened: Mendelsohn's character was k*lled off by brother John (Chandler), and the many tangled lies and deceptions of the Rayburn family were told (OK, most of them), including how sister Meg (Linda Cardellini) and brother Kevin (Norbert Leo Butz) aided and abetted that murder, the three of them justifying it to the hilt along the way. There were plenty of other twists involving deceased Rayburn patriarch Robert (Sam Shepard) and matriarch Sally (Sissy Spacek), and Bloodline ended up being a mostly satisfying one-season story, if you had both the patience and endurance to finish it and could handle some of the late-episode twists that seemed more eye-rolling than truly revealing.

It never would have worked as a traditional weekly series — not compelling enough — and was helped immensely by the fact that all 13 episodes were done, so no matter how long it took you to finish, there was never a threat of cancellation to truly worry that all the hours invested would be wasted.

Bloodline was, in short, a series too slow and aimless for some to finish and still too long for those who did, even if the payoff was finding out what happened to Danny, the poor Rayburn kid who got no help from his family when he needed it most, got warped from the process and came home later in life to settle scores. Ultimately, he wasn't a sympathetic character because he did a lot of bad things, but a good drama makes you feel for the flawed people and makes you invested in understanding them. And a really fine actor cements all of that, as Mendelsohn did.

Bloodline did not finish neatly, however, even though Chandler's voiceover narration told viewers long before that something bad was going to happen, and flash-forward devices gave viewers a pretty good idea that something did indeed go sideways. Not content to merely tell the main Danny story — clearly the Kesslers and Zelman wanted the story to go on — season one ended with the surprise revelation that Danny had a son, Nolan (Owen Teague), who showed up out of nowhere to torment the Rayburns at the end of the season and give the audience a groaning hint that there would be more lies and deception going forward.

But does anyone really want that? Bloodline is one of those shows where a second season seems almost pointless because the mystery has been solved. You learn how it happened. A second season witnessing the crushing emotional fallout on John, Meg and Kevin is less thrilling and certainly less mysterious. If they locked it down individually, there would be no second season, so that's a huge hint.

And yet, promises of more secrets are hardly enticing after Bloodline became less enjoyable and more a contest of wills just to find out what the full story was. The first episode of season two — which takes place just a day after the first season's actions — seemed exponentially long, which was not a good sign. Getting through a second one was also a chore but had enough ridiculous signs of where Bloodline was going this time to be enough evidence to bail right then and there.

Bloodline is 10 instead of 13 episodes this year, and that's hardly a problem-solver, given how so many of the episodes in season one spun their wheels. And the first two hours of season two are chock-full of oh-please-don't-go-in-that-direction turns that put the onus firmly on the viewer. If you watch more than that, well, you might as well go through all 10. That's on you.

It certainly helps knowing that the Bloodline creators have found a way to involve Mendelsohn, but he's not in it enough to offset the main roadblock of continuing the story — there's no compelling reason to do it. How everyone deals with the fallout is not worth 10 hours, especially since the answer is "badly" and there are hints very early on that bad decisions and recriminations are forthcoming. In the second episode, Cardellini's Meg character says, "Jesus Christ. This is all about Danny still. He won't f—ing go away."

If that's too on-the-nose for you, well, yes, it should be. Even though Chandler is watchable in virtually anything — he's always magnetic and conveys the struggles of his characters well — even he won't be able to entice viewers from last season who are on the fence about committing their time this season. Danny's son is, well, too TV-annoying to be real. And when everyone's bad decisions start to influence the plot — even early on — that should be ample warning to heed.

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Bloodline: Season 2 Review


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I was hopeful, but also had my doubts, about Bloodline heading into its second season without its original hook and real Season 1 draw, MVP performer Ben Mendelsohn. Could you invest in the remaining Rayburn siblings "trying to get away with it?" and be up for watching already fragile characters continue to snap and bust at the seams? It felt, premise-wise, exhausting. And yes, parts of Season 2 are frustrating.

Because in Danny Rayburn's place comes, instead, the vast spectre of his sins. And that turnsd out to be a very heavy load for John (Kyle Chandler), Meg (Linda Cardellini), and Kevin (Norbert Leo Butz) to bear. In flood floaters - members of Danny's life, both familial and criminal, to make the family's already strained existence a living nightmare. Most notably Owen Teague as Danny's despondent and painfully "Danny-esque" son, Nolan, Andrea Riseborough as Nolan's shady mom, Evangeline, and John Leguizamo as Danny's dangerous wild card former cohort.

Also, there are returning faces Glenn Morshower (as local drug smuggler Wayne Lowery) and Jamie McShane (as Danny's local sleazeball friend, Eric). So as you can see, it takes a lot in Season 2 to fill the Mendelssohn void. All these characters, in one way or another, work, under differing agendas, to undo the Rayburns. Be it business or personal, the family gets targeted by everyone under the sun. Even those once considered to be friends.

And that's not to say Mendelsohn is a no-show, though a big fear I had going into this season was over the use of Danny as a vision or some sort of talking delusion. Because that type of gimmick has to be handled just right in order for it to work. The Leftovers, in fact, just did it exceedingly well in its second year with a character who had died, but within that came the built-in premise that the person seeing the vision was mentally ill or was experiencing a phenomenon brought on by the state of that particular world. Here, any sight of Danny would just be explained as someone's haunted conscience.

And there's a bit of that; just a touch. Mendelsohn, while not hugely present, is used in a variety of ways. In waking dreams and sparse flashbacks and in replays of scenes from the first season. There's really no one way Danny comes to us this year, so it's a smattering and it works, along with the shortened season (just 10 episodes compared to 13 last year), to make this run feel less bloated.

But, as mentioned, in place of Danny's there are several characters who all work, too hard at times, to give us the conniving "black sheep" experience. Making, I'd say, the first four episodes a bit chewy. Kind of like how Season 1 also took a bit of time to invest in, Season 2, similarly, needs warming up. And so the first four episodes actually tell a somewhat closed-ended story, and the first of the handful of John Rayburn "we're all gonna get caught" panic arcs. It's good, but during this time Nolan and Evangeline really go overboard with the button pushing and Nolan, as a swoopy-haired, TV teen "bad boy," can be a chore to watch at times.

Fortunately, these two characters smooth out over the course of the season, particularly because the show starts informing you more about their lives, creating sympathy, while it also makes you start to root against the Rayburns - who while probably noble in intention initially, utterly dissolve into puddles of manic meanness and malady. A memorable John quote from Season 1 was "We're not bad people, but we did a bad thing" and Season 2 works its butt off to sort of dispel the first part of that line. Because in all their sordid Season 2 scramblings to keep from going under, the siblings become the worst kind of people.

And there are several points during Season 2 when one of the siblings seems to be choosing to just sort of give up, give in and sort of surrender to fate, come what may; tired of the lies and soul-crushing cover ups. And you too, as a viewer, feel a sigh of relief. Because it's a lot.

Bloodline may occasionally frustrate, especially when it starts juggling too many characters and their respective wants and angles, but it's also awesome at creating slow, humid tension. And, like last year, the Florida Keys become an integral part of this suspense. The location gives everything an untamed jungle-adjacent vibe, where everyone sweats even when they're not nervous or under the gun. Oh, and Kyle Chandler's hair becomes a savage nest of anxiety.

Mendelssohn may have been the standout last year, but Chandler, Cardellini, and Butz are no slouches. Sure, the bulk of their performances are reactionary, since each of them are constantly putting out fires this year, both large and small, but they're all excellent. And Butz manages to turn a quivering mess of a man who excels at poor decision making into a vibrant, relatable character. Because Kevin, especially at the outset of this season, is a freakin' f*** up factory. But as the season progresses, most everyone does something massively counterproductive and/or destructive. The wealth gets spread around and Bloodline kind of becomes a series, gloriously so, where you don't really like anyone.

The Verdict

Bloodline's second season had some great acting and a handful of truly suspenseful moments, but it's also - really - about one thing the entire way through and that's John, Meg, and Kevin scrambling to stay afloat and not get caught in their web of lies. Which can really wear down on you if the show's not offering something else as well. Which it really isn't.

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That struggle review almost as bad as this struggle thread

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 skillahmang said
That struggle review almost as bad as this struggle thread

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'Bloodline' Star Ben Mendelsohn on Danny's Take on Season 2 Ending


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The actor who delivered a breakout performance in the first season of the Netflix series and returned for a second season despite his character dying talks about how long he'll be around.

[Warning: The following story contains spoilers from the second season of Netflix's Bloodline.]

Despite his character dying at the end of Bloodline's first season, Ben Mendelsohn returned to the Netflix series for its second season, playing Danny Rayburn in flashbacks and as a ghost-like version of the eldest son envisoned by his k*ller, younger brother John (Kyle Chandler).

But it's not clear how much longer Mendelsohn will be on the Florida Keys-set series, which has yet to be renewed for a third season in the wake of the state ending its tax-incentive program. The actor, who will appear in the Star Wars spinoff Rogue One and Steven Spielberg's upcoming Ready Player One was non-committal about his future on Bloodline. When asked how long he will be playing Danny, Mendelsohn simply said, "I'm not sure. There's not been any solid discussions one way or the other on that so I'm not sure."

Still Danny, who hung over the events of the second season, was a key part of the cliffhanger ending. He joined John in the passenger seat of his brother's truck as John drove away from the Keys. And as John's detective partner Marco (Enrique Murciano) found out who was responsible for Danny's death, with youngest brother Kevin (Norbert Leo Butz) confessing about John's involvement, Kevin appeared to either k*ll or significantly wound Marco by hitting him over the head with a statuette.

Mendelsohn spoke to The Hollywood Reporter about playing John's vision of Danny, how the black-sheep brother would react to his siblings' behavior and, for viewers who are still suspicious, whether Nolan (Owen Teague) is in fact Danny's son.

What was it like returning for this season as a character who only appears in flashbacks or as sort of a ghost that John sees?

The spectral Danny: That's really open to enormous interpretation I think. How you're playing it and stuff like that. And the older stuff was a little more straightforward in that there's a narrative line you can get a hold of and you can make sense of what, why and how. I think working with Andrea [Riseborough] and John [Leguizamo], it was like starting a whole new show. Sort of like a whole new ballgame.

Talk to me a bit about working on those "spectral" scenes as you called them with Kyle Chandler. Did you talk with Kyle or the writers ahead of time before filming those because it's like you and Kyle sort of have to tap into the same thing?

No, no. But we never did. We would almost never talk about anything to do with what, why and how, Kyle and I, we'd just sort of kick the ball around. They were a lot quieter those scenes. They happened, if I remember rightly, almost exclusively in his truck. I think there might have been one or two that were somewhere here or there but almost always just when he was alone. They had a strange sort of an intimacy sort of like the essence of either one, kind of like self-talk almost, so it can be very whispered and very direct and either consoling or upsetting or activating in some way.

At the end of the season when John's driving off with Danny in the passenger seat, Danny asks, "Where are we going?" Why doesn't Danny know where they're going? Because John doesn't know because they're just driving?

I'm not entirely sure, but that would have been closer to what my take is on it that there is that whole thing of like, 'What are we doing now?' Like, 'What exactly is the plan now?' I also think it speaks to something about [Danny] and John…and there's a part of that that speaks to John wanting to bring Danny to life within himself, that idea of 'F— it, just drive, just keep going.' Don't want to have to deal with the next thing. 'Let's go.'

John for once seems to feel like he doesn't have to be responsible for the family and protecting people and himself. How do you think Danny would feel about that—is there a pride there?

I think he would really celebrate. I think like any big change within the family system — I think on one hand, I'd like to think he'd applaud it, but I don't know if he'd be as easy with it, John, as he might like to think either because the roles in that family are pretty set. They've all had the better part of 40 years to cook into their roles.

What would Danny's reaction be to Kevin k*lling or significantly injuring Marco at the end of the season after Marco learns who k*lled Danny?

I think that wouldn't be a surprise because Kevin is prone to real upheaval and outburst kind of stuff and he is kind of the hot head of them, probably the closest to Robert (Sam Shepard), the dad.

Is Nolan really Danny's son?

It's fair to say that anything that an audience can't realistically point to then the cast probably can't point to absolutely either. I think it'd be pretty remarkable if Nolan wasn't Danny's son. It's not not possible. He could, sh*t, he could be John's son, he could be Kevin's son. But I think since he bears such a strong resemblance to the young Danny, in particular, that's a big pointer.

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saw the first season..didnt care for it enough to watch season 2...just wondering...whoever watching season 2, is danny supposed to be back?

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 hedake said
saw the first season..didnt care for it enough to watch season 2...just wondering...whoever watching season 2, is danny supposed to be back?
What type of question is that. The n*gga died in season 1. People are hating on this season but I like it although I'm at ep. 7

I don't see how they'll have enough compelling material for season 3. May just have to make that the final season and go out with a bang.

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 hedake said
saw the first season..didnt care for it enough to watch season 2...just wondering...whoever watching season 2, is danny supposed to be back?
He died in season 1

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Anybody check it yet?

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Yeah its worth a watch...one small gripe. The music at the end of every episode is mad annoying.

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 rashcobar said
Yeah its worth a watch...one small gripe. The music at the end of every episode is mad annoying.

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The mom is the worst character on TV...

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 R.A.R.E. said
The mom is the worst character on TV...
They maybe the worst family on tv. Only one decent is the sister Meg.

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 booie4 said
They maybe the worst family on tv. Only one decent is the sister Meg.
Danny Danny Danny!


John the realest ...

But the whole town dumb a*s ish...

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