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Apr 1 - The Trial Of Jay-Z
 

 
First the Fat Boys break up/Now ery’ day I wake up/Somebody got a problem with Hov…-Jay-Z

If you’ve heard it, you’re probably in one or two camps when it comes to all things Jay-Z…you either love it and feel a bit of vindication or hate it as just another attempt to soil the rep of the man who is the self-proclaimed king of New York rap.

But, this time their may be a challenge to the legitimacy of the throne. In the age of plagiarism by the Jayson Blairs of the world and the ever-present accusations in Hip Hop regarding shady A&R’s, labels, artists and producers “jackin’” beats, tracks and concepts from up and comers AND accusations of outright theft see HHDX’s exclusive, Who Wrote Lean Back?

So, gentle readers I present for your examination, analysis and judgment;

IS JAY-Z A WRITER OR A BITER? Audio Link

If you’re listening to the mix as you read this…then you know ya boy Hov’ is at the center of a brewing controversy concerning (of all things) the originality of his lyrics. The now notorious “Writer Or Biter fire was apparently sparked by a mysterious mix which features Jay-Z backing up some rap classics with Roc-versions of his own.

The mix has generated a considerable buzz…L.A.’s Power 106 FM ran an exhaustive list of the allegedly bitten lyrics on their website, and also solicited on-air feedback from listeners. The track has been getting crazy airtime in several major markets, including Chicago, Atlanta, and Miami.

I took it to the streets to see what’s good with public opinion. One major on-air radio personality in Detroit took issue with the sheer number of verses that Jay used for his own personal benefit. “This type of thing happens all the time… rappers are always recycling rhymes, beats, styles, etc…I was just surprised at how much of (Jay-Z’s) classic sh*t ain’t really his classic sh*t. You know?”

Biting is the Hip-Hop version of plagiarism. According to Webster, to plagiarize: is to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own: to use (another's production) without crediting the source.

By this definition, Jay-Z is a biter. UNLESS you consider the fact that mainstream commercialization of Hip-Hop music has made it difficult to “steal” anything anymore. And it certainly could be argued that Jay-Z fails to credit the sources of select rhymes, but then again he’s not the first (or the last) MC to tailor others’ rhymes for his own purposes.

What’s at issue here is not Jay-Z’s credibility as an artist, but his flagrant use of other artists’ material as tributes to rap Greats whom he obviously has a great deal of respect and admiration for.

Still, hearing the mix does plant a seed of wonder. Could Jay-Z have really been trying to “pull one over” on Hip-Hop fans? Industry insiders say the answer is yes.

Billy Ray Valentine, an underground artist/producer pointed to the limited knowledge of rap history that fans tend to display. “Kids don’t know rap songs from the early 90’s…and the 80’s are ancient history. If it ain’t on the radio, they don’t even know it.”

True Jay-Z fans see cause for reasonable doubt. “Jay ain’t tryin to fool anybody…” says Pimp Mike, a promoter in Chicago. “We’re talking about one of the realest guys out there. Just because he quotes Biggie or Tupac doesn’t make him a biter. When you listen to (Jay-Z) spit, you can tell that he’s giving props to those dudes. His stuff speaks for itself.”

Indeed it may. With over 17 million records sold, Jay-Z is one of the most prolific rap artists ever. The debate is sure to rage on, but before you call Jay-Z a biter; consider this: for better or worse his original style has helped influence a new generation of young artists to change clothes, brush their shoulders off, and hustle their own way into Hip-Hop history.


Jay Z Biter or Writer Lyrics

Biggie - "Hypnotize"
"That's why I, squeeze first ask quesions last. That's how most of these so called gangstas pass"
Jigga - "Squeeze 1st"
"That's why I, squeeze first ask quesions last. That's how most of these so called gangstas pass"

Biggie - "The World Is Filled"
"When the Remi's in the system, ain't no tellin will I f*&$ em will I diss em, that's what these h*& yellin I'm a pimp by blood, not relation Y'all still chase on, I'll replace on, punks Drunk of Dom"
Jay-Z - "Give It 2 Me"
"When the Remi's in the system, ain't no tellin Will I f^%$# 'em will I diss 'em, that's what they be yellin I'm a pimp by blood, not relation Y'all be chasin, I replace them, huh?
Drunk off Crist"

Biggie - "Who Shot Ya"
Thou shalt not f%$# with or see Poppa feel a thosand deaths...
Jay-Z - "Squeeze 1st"
Thou shalt not f%$# with raw me, or he face a thousand deaths...

Biggie - "Unbelievable"
"Get ready to die, tell God I said hi And throw down some ice, for the nicest MC"
Jay-Z - "Friend or Foe 98"
"Do me a favor dude, get 2 ice cubes I pass them take that ice up, for the nicest MC"

Biggie - "Kick in The Door"
"Your reign on top was short than leprechauns"
Jay-Z - "The Ruler's Back"
"Your reign on the top was shorter than leprechauns"

Biggie - "One More Chance"
"isn't this great, my flight leaves at eight her flight lands at nine, my game just rewinds"
Jay-Z - "Girls...Remix"
"isn't this great, my flight leaves at eight her flight lands at nine, my game just rewinds"

Biggie - "Real N&^%s Do Real Things"
"On the road to riches and diamond rings real n&^%s do real things"
Jay-Z - "Real N&^%s"
"On the road to riches and diamond rings real n^%$ do real things"

Biggie - "Who Shot Ya"
"Old school new school need to learn though I burn baby burn like Disco Inferno"
Jay-Z - "Frestyle"
"Old school, new school need to know this I burn like Left Eye Lisa Lopez"

Biggie - "One More Chance"
"I don't chase em I replace em"
Jay - "Is That Yo B!tch"
"I don't chase em I duck em I replace em"

Big L - (on the 7 minute 95' freestyle with Jigga)
"All I got for chicks is hard d%$# and bubble gum"
Jay-z - "A Million and One Questions"
"All I got for chicks is hard d%$# and bubble gum"

Snoop Dogg - "What's My Name?"
"From the depths of the sea, back to the block Snoop Doggy Dogg, funky as the, the, The D.O.C went solo on that azz, but it´s still the same Long Beach is the spot where I served my cane ....What's my f%$# name" "He is I, and I am him, slim with the tilted brim"
Jigga - "Jigga my n!gga"
"From the crap tables down in A.C. back on the block Jay-Z motherf%$# from the, the, the Roc went solo on that azz but it´s still the same Brooklyn be the place where I serve them thangs ....You heard the name" "He is I, and I am him Slim with the tilted brim on twenty inch rims"

Nas - "Verbal Intercourse"
"From the womb to the tomb, presume the unpredictable Guns salute life, rapidly, that's the ritual"
Jay - "Never change"
"From the womb to the tomb, from now until my doom drink army from one cup pass it around the room, That's the ritual"

2pac - "My Ambitionz Az a Rydah"
"My attitude is f%$ it, and mothafukkas love it"
Jay-z "Blueprint 2"
"My attitude is ff%$ it, and mothaff%$ love it"

2pac - "Against All Odds"
"This is payback, i knew you bf%$ nf%$ from way back"
Jay-z - "Blueprint 2"
"This is payback, i knew you bf%$ nf%$ from way back"

Mase - "Lookin' at me"
"Why you over here looking at me, while my girl standing here"
Jay-z - ???
“Yall Look it Up" "Why you over here lookin at me, while all these girls up in here"

Biggie - "Big Poppa"
"I see some ladies tonight that should be having my baby.. baby."
Jay-Z - ???
"I see some ladies tonight that should be rollin wit Jay-Z, Jay-Z"

Biggie - "Be Happy" (R.Kelly ft. Biggie)
"Think About It While The Streets You Roam It's Don P And Cristie In The Fridge When You Get Home"
Jay-Z - "Best Of Both Worlds" (Jay-Z & R.Kelly)
"Think About It While The Streets You Roam It's Don P And Army In The Fridge When You Get Home"

Snoop Dogg - "Aint no Fun"
"Guess who's back in the mothaf%$# house with a fat d%$# for ya mothaff%$# mouth"
Jigga - "Ff%$# All Nite"
"Guess who's back in my motherf%$# house half black, half white chick, I call her Minnie Mouse"

Slick Rick - ???
"In these times, at least to me, there's alot of rappers out there tryin to sound like Ricky D"
Jay-Z - ???
"In these times, at least to me, there's a lot of rappers out there tryin to sound like Jay -Z"

Rakim - "No Competition"
"Competition is none, I remain at the top like the sun"
Jay-Z - "S. Carter"
"Competition is none, I remain at the op like the sun"

Cappadona - "Slang Editorial"
"I came to the fork in the road and went straight"
Jay-Z - "Renegades"
"I drove by the fork in the road and went straight"

Nas
"Seude timbs on my feet makes my cypher complete"
Jay-Z
"S.dots on my feet makes my cypher complete"

Lil Wayne
"Number one rapper, sipping mo mo's, dont make me come press ya with this fo fo"
Jay-Z
"Number one rapper, sipping mo mo's, dont make me come press ya with this fo fo"

2pac - "Against All Oddz"
Payback, I knew U b%$# n%$# from way back. witnessed me strapped with Macs, knew I wouldn't play that,"
Jigga - "Some People Hate"
N %$# This the Payback, I know U b%$# n%$# from way back. n%$# wanna clown but the pound it don't play that,"

Dr. Dre - "Chronic 2001 LP"
"You get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it"
Jay-Z - "Takeover"
"Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it


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71 comments for "Apr 1 - The Trial Of Jay-Z"

 11 years ago '04        #2
damedolla 
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damn, i still got love for hov
 11 years ago '04        #3
sinistababy 
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 StonedJeff said:
Lil Wayne
"Number one rapper, sipping mo mo's, dont make me come press ya with this fo fo"
Jay-Z
"Number one rapper, sipping mo mo's, dont make me come press ya with this fo fo"
he quoted Weezy F baby...
 11 years ago '04        #4
Skilllz 
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ROFL, damn Jay.. The fu*k..

The only one I can possibly see him biting would be

Dr. Dre - "Chronic 2001 LP"
"You get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it"
Jay-Z - "Takeover"
"Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it
Cuz ain't he write "The Watcher"?

I'm not a writer, I'ma biter for myself and others.
 11 years ago '04        #5
BackBlock_OG 32 heat pts32
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Hov wrote that last Dre line...and none of those other lines are any of my favorite Jay-Z lines. The Snoop and B.I.G. lines are obvious, the slick rick line was a remake of slick rick's song. If this is a reason anybody doesn't like Jay-Z, that's sad...and you're missing out on something great.

^Go through this sh*t and read some of Jay's sickest sh*t, then you might get an idea of what all the hype is about...and turn off the fu*kin radio...bi*ches!
 11 years ago '04        #6
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yeah, i agree with the part where the kids now adays dont know sh*t about the earlie nighnties and the eighties are acient history.....but as to how many bars that dude has spit and to know that when he bites its only the best (plus props) to past and future "dons" of rap is nothing to the true fans of him, and hip-hop...
-One


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 11 years ago '05        #7
StonedJeff 3 heat pts
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y0 4 real i luv jayz and i kno that he is the sickest out but i found the story interestin thats why i posted it !
 04-01-2005, 07:03 PM         #8
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Dam you 100 percent right !!!!!!!!!!






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 04-01-2005, 07:16 PM         #9
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fu*k this, every rapper bites in one way or another, whether it be a beat or a line. And any REAL hip hop fan would already know the lines he jacks because they're from popular songs. so fu*k this.
 11 years ago '04        #10
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StonedJeff is Boxden's village idiot.

Jay aint a biter! If u were gunna so called 'BITE' someones lyrics cuz u were tryna hide it would you go and find some of the most famous lyrics around, from some of the most famous rappers and use them??????

Obviously he is just quoting them! Its like tryna steal the statue of Liberty, ppl would be like "damn, that aint yours!"

If he was gunna bite to cover up his lack of talent he would use lyrics ppl never herd of to try cover it up right?

You gunna call Kanye a fraud cuz he uses so many samples in his beats? Same sh*t right??

REAL TALK!!!
 11 years ago '04        #11
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how times do we gotta talk about the same thing on Boxden...........................











but then again we still have "whose better pac or big" and "who won Jayz or Nas" so i guess this bullsh*t never ends.
 11 years ago '04        #12
siqone 
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good post
 04-01-2005, 07:23 PM         #13
youngtreez 
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n*ggaz is actin like every line matches n*ggaz always tryin to bring hova down.....
 04-01-2005, 07:33 PM         #14
Plush 
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These days basically every rapper use lines from B.i.g. and Pac...Fab's "Can You Hear me" from Real Talk completely quotes Pac's "Ain't Mad At Cha" and B.I.G.'s "Miss You"...and I still have to hear somebody talk about it...Not a line but a complete verse...People talks only about Jay cause he's the greatest since B.i.g. and Pac died


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 11 years ago '04        #15
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Damn Jay is still the King thats how many lines out of how many records? Then none of the songs are what he put out. As far as he Big rhymes a lot of them date to when they were in the studio together so it may be possible that they came up with them together. Why are they always checkin Jay and none of the other rappers like nas and 50 just to name a few?
 04-01-2005, 07:48 PM         #16
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i dont care, i love jay's sh*t
 11 years ago '04        #17
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honestly...jay has spit thousands of bars..these r all one or 2 liners most of them werent all that great anyway...jay has spit some crazy bars of his own that people have bitten and will continue to use for their own benefit...swizz beatz usin jay in almost all his new beats now...

"yea i used dude voice, props 2 the boy sean/ but he made it a hot line, i made it a hot song/" cassidy-Im a Hustla


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 11 years ago '05        #18
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wow somebody out there is a serious jay-z hater. to put that much time and effort into trying to discredit hov is staright hateration. cmon, how many other mc's do the same fu*kin sh*t, but none of them can make them hits like hov. are we to believe that he had hit after hit after hit beacuse he he was throwing in lines from big in his songs. if thats the case then mad n*ggaz should be droppin hits. cmon people its not that easy, give jay-z his fu*kin proper respect!!!!!
 11 years ago '04        #19
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It's not like Jay was taking the entire 16 bars and trying pass it off as his. Yhis n*gga Jay done locked it down for what 10 summers with a cataloge of albums and he bites about 20 something lines from other rappers and all of a sudden he's a fake. Come on now Milli Vanille is what you call fake. The percentage of what Jay stole doens't compare to how much orginal sh*t he said.
 04-01-2005, 08:44 PM         #20
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 diff said:
how times do we gotta talk about the same thing on Boxden...........................



but then again we still have "whose better pac or big" and "who won Jayz or Nas" so i guess this bullsh*t never ends.



It's not what you use, it's how you use it. Everybody bites someway somehow, so this post is really worthless. Jay-Z twists it in a way that sounds good to the ear. We know where it came from, and we like how he used it and plus sometimes it's nice to know someone bringin' something back out from the crate. I remember when they was gettin gon P. Diddy on biting.
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