Xbox One could still be Backwards Compatible

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 4 years ago '07        #21
Pistol Peter 33 heat pts33
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if they do it...i'm back in the fold
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 Tha Problum said:
Sony IS doing it tho.
Don't you have to re purchase the game?
 08-10-2013, 06:04 PM         #23
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This will never happen. Unless they plan on streaming like Sony is doing. Neither system is powerful enough to emulate the Xbox 360. Master Race is not powerful enough to emulate the Xbox 360. It takes a pretty good rig to run dolphin emulator well. There is absolutely no way MS gets BC working through emulation.

So there is no chance this will happen.
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 Blood Edge said:
Step your troll game up. It's 2013 man.


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 08-10-2013, 07:02 PM         #25
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 xeduran said:
This will never happen. Unless they plan on streaming like Sony is doing. Neither system is powerful enough to emulate the Xbox 360. Master Race is not powerful enough to emulate the Xbox 360. It takes a pretty good rig to run dolphin emulator well. There is absolutely no way MS gets BC working through emulation.

So there is no chance this will happen.
Couldn't they do what Sony did with the launch PS 3's and put the actual chip from the 360 in the One?
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Go figure, Sony stans trolling the internet with GIFs instead of playing games. Who woulda thunk it?

At least this one was funny.
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 xeduran said:
This will never happen. Unless they plan on streaming like Sony is doing. Neither system is powerful enough to emulate the Xbox 360. Master Race is not powerful enough to emulate the Xbox 360. It takes a pretty good rig to run dolphin emulator well. There is absolutely no way MS gets BC working through emulation.

So there is no chance this will happen.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Emulators are reverse-engineered unoptimized pieces of garbage. The reason you have to have way more powerful hardware in your PC than the console you're trying to emulate is because whoever coded the emulators are hacking their way to an end result. Microsoft knows their own system inside and out. They can make compatibility layers and engines that could emulate a 360 no problem. That's even taking into account that Microsoft would be coming from a PowerPC architecture to an X86 architecture. Microsoft went from X86 to the PowerPC when it came to the original Xbox, and lo and behold -- the Xbox 360 had no problem playing many original Xbox games.

I'm not saying it'll be as easy as 1-2-3, but your view of emulation is extremely elementary. You're basing your theory on community-made reverse engineered emulators as opposed to Microsoft knowing the inner workings of every part of their own consoles.
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 4 years ago '06        #32
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Highly doubtful.
Two reasons:
1. M$ loves money too much to do it.
2. It would render the 360 irrelevant.....
...and if they did that they wouldn't be able to max out the profits for the 360 consoles being sold in stores while the X1 is out because no one would have a use to buy an Xbox 360 anymore because X1 plays the same games
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 08-10-2013, 07:50 PM         #34
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 Da Ill One said:
Couldn't they do what Sony did with the launch PS 3's and put the actual chip from the 360 in the One?
Yeah they could, but that would be very costly. They would lose money on each console sold if they did that. That is the reason why later PS3s were not backwards compatible. Because they wanted to cut cost down and removed the PS2 hardware.
 08-10-2013, 07:57 PM         #35
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Emulators are reverse-engineered unoptimized pieces of garbage. The reason you have to have way more powerful hardware in your PC than the console you're trying to emulate is because whoever coded the emulators are hacking their way to an end result. Microsoft knows their own system inside and out. They can make compatibility layers and engines that could emulate a 360 no problem. That's even taking into account that Microsoft would be coming from a PowerPC architecture to an X86 architecture. Microsoft went from X86 to the PowerPC when it came to the original Xbox, and lo and behold -- the Xbox 360 had no problem playing many original Xbox games.

I'm not saying it'll be as easy as 1-2-3, but your view of emulation is extremely elementary. You're basing your theory on community-made reverse engineered emulators as opposed to Microsoft knowing the inner workings of every part of their own consoles.
Dude you are the one who is looking at things extremely elementary and have no idea what you are talking about. How about you read about Xbox emulation and how good if was. Xbox emulation was trash on the 360. They basically had to make the emulator work on a game by game basis. This is the reason why the compatibility was so low.

And miss me with that MS knowing their system. Sony knew the PS2/PS1 better than anyone else, that did not stop the community from being able to make a better emulator for the PS1 and PS2 then Sony could. To this day, emulators on the PC can run PS2 and PS1 games better than the PS3 can. Heck the PS3 cannot even emulate the PS2.

There is no way the Xbox One will be able to emulate the Xbox 360. It is not powerful enough plain and simple. The piece of garbage CPU it has is no where near good enough for emulation. Why do you think Sony is not even bothering with emulating the PS1 or PS2 on the PS4. Obviously they should be able to, probably can, but it would still be a bit difficult with that CPU.

So please miss me with the whole optimization and knowing the hardware. Go read up on how emulation works. No matter how well you optimize an emulator, it still requires a whole lot of CPU processing. CPU is the biggest thing for emulation.

By the way you cannot just make a compatibility layer. You have no idea what you are talking about. They would have to emulate how the CPU and GPU work. You cannot just convert code from PowerPC to x86. It does not work that way. Why do you think a PC Xbox original emulator has not been released yet? It is x86 code, you would think it would be simple right? Wrong.

Emulation is very complex. It is not just about converting code, you are not writing ports on the fly with emulation. You are creating a virtual console to run the game. That is very CPU intensive and cannot be done without a lot of raw power. Optimization and MS knowledge will not help the Xbox One with emulation. There is a reason why both companies did not go with BC.


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 4 years ago '04        #36
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 xeduran said:
Dude you are the one who is looking at things extremely elementary and have no idea what you are talking about. How about you read about Xbox emulation and how good if was. Xbox emulation was trash on the 360. They basically had to make the emulator work on a game by game basis. This is the reason why the compatibility was so low.

And miss me with that MS knowing their system. Sony knew the PS2/PS1 better than anyone else, that did not stop the community from being able to make a better emulator for the PS1 and PS2 then Sony could. To this day, emulators on the PC can run PS2 and PS1 games better than the PS3 can. Heck the PS3 cannot even emulate the PS2.

There is no way the Xbox One will be able to emulate the Xbox 360. It is not powerful enough plain and simple. The piece of garbage CPU it has is no where near good enough for emulation. Why do you think Sony is not even bothering with emulating the PS1 or PS2 on the PS4. Obviously they should be able to, probably can, but it would still be a bit difficult with that CPU.

So please miss me with the whole optimization and knowing the hardware. Go read up on how emulation works. No matter how well you optimize an emulator, it still requires a whole lot of CPU processing. CPU is the biggest thing for emulation.
We're really calling 8-core CPUs garbage now? It's true Microsoft had problems emulating some Xbox 1 titles, but the list of titles that worked (and worked perfectly) was still vast. Like I said, the biggest problem was due to the change in architecture. We're experiencing the same sort of transition from this gen to the next one, but to flat-out deny Microsoft could create a software-based B/C solution is extremely shortsighted. I'm not saying you don't have a point, but you shouldn't be making overarching statements without any internal knowledge. I'll wait until Microsoft shoots it down for good.
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e G o was told to miss him with the emulation talk.

e G o refused to miss him.

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 08-10-2013, 08:23 PM         #38
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 e G o Maniac said:
We're really calling 8-core CPUs garbage now? It's true Microsoft had problems emulating some Xbox 1 titles, but the list of titles that worked (and worked perfectly) was still vast. Like I said, the biggest problem was due to the change in architecture. We're experiencing the same sort of transition from this gen to the next one, but to flat-out deny Microsoft could create a software-based B/C solution is extremely shortsighted. I'm not saying you don't have a point, but you shouldn't be making overarching statements without any internal knowledge. I'll wait until Microsoft shoots it down for good.
It is an 8 core processor made for laptops and from AMD. So yes it is a piece of garbage. Good enough for gaming I guess, with a lot of optimization. But not for emulation. Read up on the CPU. It has been mentioned many times that it is no where near high end.

MS will deny this soon. This is practically a rumor. No name for the MS rep and a maybe given.

There is a reason why Dolphin runs Wii and Gamecube games better than the Wii U. Why PC emulators run PS2 and PS1 games better than a PS3. The community knows what they are doing. Even with less knowledge than Nintendo and Sony. Difference is the power in a PC gaming rig and a console. Consoles are not powerful enough to fully emulate the previous gen. Never have been. They always used previous gen hardware for BC.

The exception being the Xbox 360. And again, that emulator had to be adjusted on a game by game basis. It did not run most games as well. All the work they put into it for certain games to run, they might as well have been writing ports.
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 Krazie said:
e G o was told to miss him with the emulation talk.

e G o refused to miss him.

Awaiting another novel from xeduran.
You love my novels. Sit back and enjoy.

 08-10-2013, 08:42 PM         #40
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What really sucks is what Sony is doing. PS1 emulation is definitely possible on the PS4. So is PS2 emulation. Sony must be looking at using PSN and Gaikai to collect more money from PS1 and PS2 games. This is the part about consoles I hate. Even when BC is possible, the consoles do not always support it.
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