Jul 31 - Where's the beef? Fast-food workers in walkout to protest low wages (wants $15hr)

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 4 years ago '04        #121
matelyan 21 heat pts21
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 jwest600 said:
...If a McDonald worker's salary is doubled to $15/hr then EVERYBODY else's salary in the world should be doubled as well...fu*k that MCDonalds aint a hard job some of ya'll are funny... I did fast food as a kid (Mickey D's and Taco Bell...) and made 5.75/hr minimum wage as a stepping stone until I got something better/ saved enough money for school, and I understood that there was no way I would try to make a living off of it... saying that they are being exploited for there hard labor is bullsh*t, and working in Fast food doesn't even COMPARE to the amount of stress a corporate job puts on you... there are some people at my gig making $15/hr that work their butts off everyday and are in school part time so they can get more $$, and ya'll sympathize with someone who CHOSE to work at a Mickey D's bc they felt that thats all they could do?? GTFOH...

If these n*ggas want more $$ they need to get out and get it simple as that... fast food jobs arent fu*king careers and even McDonald's ENCOURAGES its employees to get 2nd jobs or better themselves... if you give these bum n*ggas more money without them actually bettering themselves then whats their motivation to do better?

If your only goal is to make a decent livng while working fast food then you deserve the measly pennies that they give ur a.ss..
The economy doesn’t have a plethora or abundance of good jobs available. I’m certain there are overqualified people working at McDonald’s just to get by. And they deserve to earn a decent, living wage. Inflation causes prices to increase yearly and the wages of many Americans don’t keep pace. As a result we have many people working jobs they are overqualified for and millions going without proper and adequate food and shelter. And for those who aren’t smart enough to go to school or improve their position in life, for whatever reason, shouldn’t be vilified and forced to live in poverty conditions.

American can only be as great as its lowest class. I’m certain there are people currently at McDonald’s who made poor life decisions, but you generalize too much and a.ssume this is the case for every employee.

And why talk down on these people? They aren’t bums, they work 8 hour shifts and are asking for adequate compensation. These companies reap millions and billions of dollars off of their hard work and only dish out 17% or less of their yearly revenue to cover their employee costs. That’s greedy and absurd when you consider where the rest of their yearly earnings go.
The study conducted shows that everyone, even the CEO, can increase their salary and there would be minimal price increases passed along to the consumer. It’s economically feasible to pay these workers more. And the benefits would be felt at every level and help spur economic growth.

Why do you want to have a nation with such a huge income gap and unequal distribution of wealth? Eventually it will only be the poor and the rich. And someday someone might attempt to justify paying you a wage that doesn’t allow you to pay for the basics and necessities of life.
 4 years ago '07        #122
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 Bad Gorilla said:


at 16per hour being a good living.
May not be to you....Maybe he's frugal, maybe he doesn't spend his money on any thing except living expenses...$16/Hr is about $2500/Month...you can get a house with that kinda money.......
 4 years ago '04        #123
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 pnoi89 said:
There's 48 weeks in a year.... unless maybe if you were on Venus or something.
Venus has a much smaller orbit to complete to equal a year, and it takes approx. 32 "Earth weeks" to make a year (225 Earth days). Incidentally, a "Venus day" is approx. 243 "Earth days" (or nearly 35 weeks).

Both are less than 48, and still not 52, which is how many weeks are in an "Earth year".

 pnoi89 said:
Thanks for trying to explain it, but I was completely wrong.
Apparently I missed this. I'm still leaving my reply so people can learn about Venus.


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 4 years ago '05        #124
pnoi89 11 heat pts11
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 Methadon said:
Venus has a much smaller orbit to complete to equal a year, and it takes approx. 32 "Earth weeks" to make a year (225 Earth days). Incidentally, a "Venus day" is approx. 243 "Earth days" (or nearly 35 weeks).

Both are less than 48, and still not 52, which is how many weeks are in an "Earth year".



Apparently I missed this. I'm still leaving my reply so people can learn about Venus.
Damn it, I meant Mars!!!
 4 years ago '05        #125
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 matelyan said:
The economy doesn’t have a plethora or abundance of good jobs available. I’m certain there are overqualified people working at McDonald’s just to get by. And they deserve to earn a decent, living wage. Inflation causes prices to increase yearly and the wages of many Americans don’t keep pace. As a result we have many people working jobs they are overqualified for and millions going without proper and adequate food and shelter. And for those who aren’t smart enough to go to school or improve their position in life, for whatever reason, shouldn’t be vilified and forced to live in poverty conditions.

American can only be as great as its lowest class. I’m certain there are people currently at McDonald’s who made poor life decisions, but you generalize too much and a.ssume this is the case for every employee.

And why talk down on these people? They aren’t bums, they work 8 hour shifts and are asking for adequate compensation. These companies reap millions and billions of dollars off of their hard work and only dish out 17% or less of their yearly revenue to cover their employee costs. That’s greedy and absurd when you consider where the rest of their yearly earnings go.
The study conducted shows that everyone, even the CEO, can increase their salary and there would be minimal price increases passed along to the consumer. It’s economically feasible to pay these workers more. And the benefits would be felt at every level and help spur economic growth.

Why do you want to have a nation with such a huge income gap and unequal distribution of wealth? Eventually it will only be the poor and the rich. And someday someone might attempt to justify paying you a wage that doesn’t allow you to pay for the basics and necessities of life.
Corporations can do whatever they want with their profits... As business owner you go in to business to make money, not run a experiment in socialism... To try and force a company to overpay for unskilled labor in order to bridge the gap between rich in poor is absurd, and nothing you stated above is a guarnteed fix of our nations economic divide.

Yes there are some people who are over-qualified to work at McDonalds and are doing it to get by, but I guarantee those people are taking the necessary steps to better themselves instead of trying to make a career out of fast food... the sad thing is that the majority of people who are bi*ching and complaining about McDonald's wages VOLUNTEERED to work there... its not slavery and they knew what the wages were when they signed up... the people who have bigger goals and aspirations other than fast food arent the ones f!ghting bc they know its a temporary situation... Trying to "earn a decent wage" in fast food isnt a realistic ideal and only encourages mediocrity... There are waay more people working at McDonald's bc thats all they want to do.. no one is forced to work low wages... and if your not smart enough to do otherwise then thats your fault for not picking up a book and getting smarter...

Your point a.ssumes that if they got $15/hr that they would be happy... No... that not the nature of people... eventually that wouldnt be enough either.. then they would need 20... I understand tho that you may be a little more compassionate about fixing other people's problems than I am as I run my own business and after I worked my butt off to get where Im at I just dont feel sorry for people who dont take matters into their own hands and complain.... the problem with our country is that people want sh*t to be "fair" and easy for everyone instead of going out there and making sh*t happen...there are haves and have nots for a reason...our country is lazy as sh*t... Sure there are barriers but even acknowledging barriers are tools of the incompetent... I will never sit around and rely on someone else to pay me for what i think im worth... I pay myself and will never rely on someone giving me what they think I should have...
 4 years ago '12        #126
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 yo baby daddy said:
Go to school. Get a real job.
Right..

Good idea, EVERYONE GO get college degrees immediately so everyone makes awesome salary's. The laws of supply and demand no longer exist, everyone gets a college degrees so we all have better jobs and have a higher standards of living. The only useless degree will be economics degree since they are still toting that liberal fairy gibberish like COST OF LIVING INFLATION, WAGE DEFLATION, and the fact that more people having degrees means your chances of NOT being fired when you decide to ask for a raise is 0.00%

O how a yearn for the day when society is nothing but doctors, lawyers, and circle jerking scholars so that when I need my food served at a restaurant I can go get it my fu*king self or when trash day roles around I can wake up early with my shovel, and bury my own fu*king trash.

Typically student loan mules, thinking it because of their toilet paper degrees that the world spins.


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 4 years ago '06        #127
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This is such an interesting yet difficult topic to approach. At its core is an idea that $7/hr isn't enough and those workers deserve more vs. what do you expect a "high school drop out" to earn.
I think that such a big company like Mcd's can afford to pay its workers better which to me is around $9/hr, I think that is reasonable.
My parents weren't born here and didn't have the opportunity to go to college so I can understand where these people are coming from.
 4 years ago '07        #128
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 MyStYlEaRt said:
This is such an interesting yet difficult topic to approach. At its core is an idea that $7/hr isn't enough and those workers deserve more vs. what do you expect a "high school drop out" to earn.
I think that such a big company like Mcd's can afford to pay its workers better which to me is around $9/hr, I think that is reasonable.
My parents weren't born here and didn't have the opportunity to go to college so I can understand where these people are coming from.
im not entirely up to date on Mcdonalds hiring practices, but i feel like if youre a high school drop out, you cant work @ mcdonalds
 4 years ago '06        #129
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minimum wage in canada is $10.60

canada..fu*k YEAH!
 4 years ago '08        #130
Head2DaSky 1 heat pts
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They fu*k around and raise wages but cut hhours...
 4 years ago '04        #131
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 sincerethought said:
if they get $15 im going to my boss for a raise
REAL talk! I'm a web developer and I don't even make that much an hour. >_<
 4 years ago '10        #132
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they want $15 an hour? Most real jobs dont pay that much!!! But its sad that only 17% of salaries go to workers.....
 4 years ago '06        #133
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 pnoi89 said:
There's 48 weeks in a year.... unless maybe if you were on Venus or something.
 4 years ago '05        #134
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 T2THEONE said:
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Lord forbid, you have a girlfriend, or want to have any type of entertainment.
Props on your breakdown......what if you have kids????

and damn......like you said.....these are those lowest possible numbers......40.00 a week on food? fu*k that.....that's a nice dinner

And another catch is.....
Im sure its a small percentage clocking 40 hours a week......prolly hella pt time shifts......16-24 hrs a week....... so its a lot of 140.00 checks being cashed


Its damn tough outchea


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 08-02-2013, 07:28 AM         #135
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 MyStYlEaRt said:
This is such an interesting yet difficult topic to approach. At its core is an idea that $7/hr isn't enough and those workers deserve more vs. what do you expect a "high school drop out" to earn.
I think that such a big company like Mcd's can afford to pay its workers better which to me is around $9/hr, I think that is reasonable.
My parents weren't born here and didn't have the opportunity to go to college so I can understand where these people are coming from.
A lot of people working at mcdonalds are making a lot more than 9 an hour

But I feel you on that last part, my family is from trinidad. When they came here they knew what the deal was. Work hard and it pays off. My moms, aunts, uncles most of them pulling 6 figures some better, everybody was on there grind. Everybody's talking about fair, but fair is a place where they judge pigs you gotta go out and get it if you want yours.


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 4 years ago '06        #136
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 Tha Problum said:
A lot of people working at mcdonalds are making a lot more than 9 an hour

But I feel you on that last part, my family is from trinidad. When they came here they knew what the deal was. Work hard and it pays off. My moms, aunts, uncles most of them pulling 6 figures some better, everybody was on there grind. Everybody's talking about fair, but fair is a place where they judge pigs you gotta go out and get it if you want yours.
That's what's up! It is tough without a college education or a real job. Capitalism is a bi*ch if your stuck at the bottom. I tell all the young people I can to go to college and study something they can make some money in. I have watched my parents struggle financially for much to long and I'm trying to break that cycle. I'm blessed to have a great job with decent pay.
 4 years ago '13        #137
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 asphaltninja said:
Livable wage?

n*gga.....you flip burgers. Go to school or find another job you unmotivated fu*k. Burger flipping is for high school kids.
 4 years ago '05        #138
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This Is What Would Happen If Fast-Food Workers Got Raises
Even McDonald’s (MCD) own hypothetical household budget (pdf) for its restaurant employees seems to suggest it’s difficult, at best, for many in its low-wage workforce to make ends meet. And all this week thousands of fast-food workers at many of the biggest U.S. restaurant chains have staged short-term walkouts in seven cities: New York, Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit, Milwaukee, Kansas City, Mo., and Flint, Mich. The workers are demanding a pay raise to $15 an hour, compared with current average wages across the industry that are closer to the federal minimum wage of $7.25. President Obama has proposed raising the lowest wages to $9 an hour, which would be a 24 percent jump over the minimum wage.

Food-service workers are among the lowest paid in the country. Here’s what Payscale.com data, based on about 3,000 employee surveys, show about how much workers are making at the country’s 10 biggest fast-food chains compared with workers in other fields. Not all the chains listed here are facing protests this week—they are instead being highlighted for the size of their workforces:


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So how much could restaurant chains stand to increase their wages before profits evaporate? It’s a complicated question. Based on years of research, some economists are now advocating a minimum wage of $10.50 (PDF), which they claim would increase a chain’s costs by only 2.7 percent. Roughly half of food-service workers currently make less than that proposed $10.50 rate, so not everyone would be affected. The companies could make up the difference through a combination of price increases—say, a nickel more for a burger—reduced turnover, productivity gains, and “a slightly more equal distribution of companies’ total revenues,” which is a nice way of saying the highest-paid employees would see their incomes increase more slowly, explains Jeannette Wicks-Lim, an economist at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and one of the signees of the petition.

Here’s a rough look at how fast-food financials break down. There are two kinds of restaurants: those run by the company, and those run by independent franchisees who set their own wages and pay royalties to the company (at many chains, most locations are franchised). Together, company-owned and franchise McDonald’s locations last year contributed $3.9 billion in economic value added, a measure of profit that subtracts for taxes and the cost of capital, according to Craig Sterling, managing director and global head of equity research at evaDimensions. Burger King’s (BKW) economic profit was $61 million by this EVA metric.


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As companies report financials only for company-owned locations, here’s what payroll expenses and margins look like at company-owned stores at two chains, based on their annual filings.

Based on these numbers, raising the hourly wage to $15—about two-thirds more than what the average employee earns now—would likely wipe out profits at these company-owned stores. “If wages are the majority of labor [costs], and it doubled to more than 50 percent of revenue, restaurant operating income would clearly be a loss, a.ssuming static menu prices,” explains Sharon Zackfia, an analyst at William Blair & Co. a.ssuming all wages double and other expenses don’t decrease, menu prices at McDonald’s would have to go up about 25 percent, which means an extra $1 for a Big Mac and a “Dollar Twenty-Five Menu” in place of the Dollar Menu, estimates the Columbia Journalism Review, which would be a big deal to consumers. A smaller price hike is perhaps more feasible.

Wages at franchised locations are a separate issue all together. Margins at these stores are likely lower than the figures above because of expenses and royalties that company-owned stores don’t have to pay. So before they could increase wages, franchisees would likely have to work out a better deal with the company.

Franchisees currently contribute about one-third of McDonald’s revenue and 40 percent at Burger King, so lower fees would certainly hit their bottom lines, as it would with any chain using that model. But, as Sterling noted in an e-mail, “the bottom line is that these firms have plenty of profits to go through before they go out of business.” Still, any move that would affect profits would provoke an almost certain Wall Street response: “Don’t think investors won’t care or react,” he said.

Of course, these are all hypothetical changes, and there’s no reason to think that the fast-food industry will suddenly stop protecting its profits in the face of these protests. If higher wages do come, raising prices is the preferred way to get there. “Inevitably, we anticipate most restaurants will pass on the wage increase to customers via price increases,” William Blair & Co. states in a report. So if workers succeed in their push for bigger paychecks, get ready for pricier Big Macs.
Thoughts?
 4 years ago '09        #139
Jacc Blacc 55 heat pts55
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these dudes are clowns, this is america...you want 15 dollar an hour then find a job that pays 15 dollar an hour, alot of these people dont deserve minimum wage let alone a pay increase
 4 years ago '09        #140
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 asphaltninja said:
Livable wage?

n*gga.....you flip burgers. Go to school or find another job you unmotivated fu*k. Burger flipping is for high school kids.
real sh*t, it actually saddens my heart when i see a grown person working there UNLESS they are in a managerial position

if you working the fries and your not in high school or college then thats weak, go back to school and get a degree, if you got a degree but cant find a job then get a fukking certification until you can find a decent paying job

my friend is going to college and he is gonna graudate with a masters in liberal arts, i tell him all the time his dumb a.ss isnt going to find a real job with a fake a.ss major like that, majors like art, music, liberal arts, are idiotic, might as well get a major in cheese appreciation
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