Brandon Jennings heading from Bucks to Detroit Pistons. Gets 3-year, $24 million in sign-&-trade

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 07-31-2013, 08:32 PM         #161
BADmeetsEVIL 
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A = BJ
B = Jrue Holiday


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 4 years ago '05        #162
Rubix 
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It's too bad they gave up knight for Jennings but like I said before, Jennings could be a good look for the pistons. I also don't think it's very fair to say Jennings is a chucker because he's never really had a good offensive player on his team anyway.. And don't even say "monta" cuz monta is a.ss on offense. Jennings showed he can be a very good playmaker too during a stretch last season.. He might just kick it up a notch now that he has two beasts in Monroe and drum to kick the ball to.
 4 years ago '05        #163
KingJustin 4 heat pts
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people actin like we dont have shooters
stuckeys 3 has improved every year
singler
jennings
kcp
cv
billups
datome who was like a 44 percent 3pt shooter last year
 4 years ago '07        #164
MiseryCityTexas 19 heat pts19
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 BADmeetsEVIL said:
Joe D has surprised me this offseason. Good work.
Im not. He did sign Billups when he was in his absolute prime, he did hire Larry Brown when he was a great b ball coach and he did trade for prime Rasheed Wallace back in the day.
 4 years ago '04        #165
Veno da Don 23 heat pts23
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 MiseryCityTexas said:
Im not. He did sign Billups when he was in his absolute prime, he did hire Larry Brown when he was a great b ball coach and he did trade for prime Rasheed Wallace back in the day.
And Joe acquired guys like Corliss "Big nasty" Williamson, Mehmet "Memo" Okur, "The Pitbulls" Lindsey Hunter and Mike James, "Dunkin" Darvin Ham, Jon Barry, "Big Slow" Shaq hacking Elden Campbell, Charlie Chucky Atkins... Joe D and John Hammond built a monster with that era and it looks like they may be back to their old tricks
 4 years ago '09        #166
ReggieA 196 heat pts196
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3 years, 24 mil sounds reasonable for him. Milwaukee sort of won. They had that 4 years 48 mil on the table save some money, tank, get a Top 5-7 pick next season.
 4 years ago '04        #167
Motion 817 heat pts817 OP
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 MiseryCityTexas said:
Im not. He did sign Billups when he was in his absolute prime, he did hire Larry Brown when he was a great b ball coach and he did trade for prime Rasheed Wallace back in the day.
That was 10 years ago

He also gave a billion dollars to Ben Gordan & Charlie Villanueva the Summer BEFORE the 2010 Free Agency bonanza

No foresight at all on



and let's not forget Darko
 4 years ago '07        #168
GrezyNclean 172 heat pts172
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 Motion said:
That was 10 years ago

He also gave a billion dollars to Ben Gordan & Charlie Villanueva the Summer BEFORE the 2010 Free Agency bonanza

No foresight at all on



and let's not forget Darko
meh Darko was more his scouts fault then Joe D....he trusted his scouts and picked Darko over Chris Bosh....sux but a 16 year old 7'0 who can shoot 3's is hard to pass up
 4 years ago '10        #169
AdvanceIsThe 
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 GrezyNclean said:
meh Darko was more his scouts fault then Joe D....he trusted his scouts and picked Darko over Chris Bosh....sux but a 16 year old 7'0 who can shoot 3's is hard to pass up

He was never a three point shooter
 4 years ago '11        #170
KRCROOKSNY 108 heat pts108
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At first I laughed at the trade. But it's a good fit for Detroit. The Bucks will also get a better PG for their situation. A better distributor.
 4 years ago '08        #171
Dee Grande 1269 heat pts1269
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 KRCROOKSNY said:
At first I laughed at the trade. But it's a good fit for Detroit. The Bucks will also get a better PG for their situation. A better distributor.
 4 years ago '08        #172
YoungRay20 290 heat pts290
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 Dee Grande said:
Lol

In all fairness to knight the pistons moved him to the 2. He's got great potential, good luck with Jennings.
 4 years ago '08        #173
Dee Grande 1269 heat pts1269
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I think playing next to Mayo will be good for Knight. He's more of a Fisher/Chalmers type of PG. He needs another guy who can share playmaking with him, yet still allow him to take the smaller defensive a.ssignment
 4 years ago '08        #174
YoungRay20 290 heat pts290
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 Dee Grande said:
I think playing next to Mayo will be good for Knight. He's more of a Fisher/Chalmers type of PG. He needs another guy who can share playmaking with him, yet still allow him to take the smaller defensive a.ssignment
He's tier or 2 better than both of those guys. Too young in his career downgrade him to those 2. That's worst case scenario.


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 4 years ago '08        #175
Dee Grande 1269 heat pts1269
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I was mainly referring to his PG skills. but overall, he doesn't really do anything right now that Chamlers can't
 4 years ago '10        #176
Hovi Bryant 676 heat pts676
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Here's what I posted on RealGM about the trade. After I calmed down from the oddity of it all.

Estimates Via Synergy


Jennings' Offense is in the 55th percentile (slightly above average)
Isolation: 65th percentile (12% of shots)
Pick and Roll: 90th percentile (34%) <--- Possibly a huge upgrade
Spot-ups: 61st percentile (18%) < --- unacceptable
Transition: 58th percentile (18%) <--- again unacceptable

Chris Paul is within the 92nd percentile
Isolation: 97th percentile (26%)
Pick and Roll: 99th percentile (37%)
Spot Ups: 96th percentile (8%)
Transition: 72nd percentile (9.2%)

Brandon Knight: 28th percentile (eww)
Isolation: 71st percentile (7%)
Pick and Roll: 72nd percentile (27%)
Spot ups: 50th percentile (20%) <-- terrible
Transition: 42nd percentile (20%) <--- again, terrible

I recant my earlier statement. Jennings is a huge upgrade over Knight, but nothing to become overly excited about yet.

Both Knight and Jennings are average isolation players. However, you can see that Jennings is within elite company in P&R situations. Overall, they just don't have a feel for the game. A lot of their opportunities were forced in transition.

Also, the Bucks and Pistons attempted to remove the ball from their point guards by running them off screens and spotting them up in the corners. The Bucks' situation is somewhat understandable, given that they had another ball dominant guard in Ellis. So, Jennings may thrive knowing he can iso away and run as many P&R plays as his heart desires.

I think Knight will excel and has the potential to burn the Pistons for this trade. He's clearly above average in isolation and the P&R, and it would have been a matter of time and fine tuning for him to work on his pacing. However, the Pistons want to win now. I'm just not sure who's ceiling is much higher. We may see some diminishing returns much sooner with Jennings outside of the obvious age gap.
 4 years ago '08        #177
YoungRay20 290 heat pts290
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 Dee Grande said:
I was mainly referring to his PG skills. but overall, he doesn't really do anything right now that Chamlers can't
Which is fine he's going into his, 3rd season.
 08-01-2013, 05:45 PM         #178
Tha Problum 
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n*gga said he can be a great pg because jennings had 23 games during the entire year, with 8 or more a.ssists
 4 years ago '08        #179
YoungRay20 290 heat pts290
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 Hovi Bryant said:
Here's what I posted on RealGM about the trade. After I calmed down from the oddity of it all.
The last paragraph basically sum it. Given Jennings track record, don't be shocked when Jennings shoots you out of games.

I feel like the pistons tried to take the easy way out instead of developing knight you buy an older guard with disgusting habits. Just to save Dumars job. He might be better but how much better is he when he's shooting 30% in round 1. I can't believe n*ggas really think mo and billups gonna stop Jennings being Jennings overnight.


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 08-01-2013, 05:54 PM         #180
Tha Problum 
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no this n*gga mario chalmers did not hold brandon jennings to 29% shooting for an entire playoff series nooooo

this n*gga shot 14% in the close out game
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