Public Enemy: 'Jay Z, Snoop Dogg and Kendrick Lamar aren't hip-hop'

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 4 years ago '11        #21
DesolateOne 32 heat pts32
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 justinjones said:
doesn't mean people have to agree with it though.

this is not towards you but people always goes to the extreme side when it comes to these things.

agree with a legend-bring that old sh!t back nothing will ever pass it. NOTHING. hip hop is dead

disagree with legend-get this old as muthafuka out of here. ain't nobody f!ghting the power

i understand what they are saying but is p.e still making hip hop records like its 92 though?
PE have been making records since around 1987. They still sell out tours worldwide. I saw them in 1994 during their Muse-Sick-N-Our Mess-Age tour and neither Flavor Flav nor Terminator X was there. Chuck alone rocked that sh*t, one of the best concerts I ever saw and I've been to many. I feel sorry for you young bucks who didn't live through certain eras to truly appreciate some artists, you missed the fu*k out. Sadly, you have bullsh*t like Kanye and Drake to refer to.



 Maddog345 said:

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This article is void.
Consider the source, it's Flavor Flav were talking about here.

 4 years ago '04        #22
justinjones 307 heat pts307 OP
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 DesolateOne said:
PE have been making records since around 1987. They still sell out tours worldwide. I saw them in 1994 during their Muse-Sick-N-Our Mess-Age tour and neither Flavor Flav nor Terminator X was there. Chuck alone rocked that sh*t, one of the best concerts I ever saw and I've been to many. I feel sorry for you young bucks who didn't live through certain eras to truly appreciate some artists, you missed the fu*k out. Sadly, you have bullsh*t like Kanye and Drake to refer to.





Consider the source, it's Flavor Flav were talking about here.

you have be at least in your mid to late 30s because one of the first rap albums i remember is fear of the black planet and i was 4 years old then...im pushing 30 now.

i'll listen to their first 4 albums but after that i really don't i don't get the same feeling from their new stuff then their old stuff. i think the last one i checked was revolution
 4 years ago '13        #23
HipHopFactz 437 heat pts437
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Makes a valid point

Every rap record is about "money" and other superficial things, stans sitting there listening to another man rap about his bank account

You'll be hard pressed to find a Keep Ya Head Up in this era in the mainstream, the balance is totally one sided

Jayz cant go one song without mentioning some superficial sh*t, rappers acting like divas and sh*t

Hip hop has turned in to Liberace
 4 years ago '04        #24
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 alogan9225 said:
True, but Chuck D stay hatin...

I saw this man back at FSU a couple of years ago... he ain't have sh*t positive to say... besides talking positively about Rick Ross (which was odd as hell to me, but whatever)
explain how that happened
 4 years ago '05        #25
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I grew up listening to Public Enemy. Chuck D was one of my favorite Rappers back in the day.... that being said this is some old man banter.

Hip-Hop = the 4 Elements of the culture as defined by Kool Herc, Bambatta, Grandmaster Flash:
  • Rapping
  • DJ'ing
  • Graffiti
  • B-Boying

Rap:
  • Rap music / ie: Rapping over a beat

Over time the media and people in general started referring to Rap music as Hip-Hop. It's the exact same thing, the terms just became intertwined.

His comment is some bullsh!t. Just because you're not feeling whats new in terms of Hip-Hop/Rap music, doesn't mean that it's isn't Rap/Hip-Hop. It is. You just don't like it, Chuck.

That's like saying Vybez Kartel isn't dancehall/reggae because he uses autotune and Shabba Ranks didn't use autotune back in the day.

Same genre. Different sound.

That's all.

The subject matter and feel of todays Hip-Hop isn't anywhere near as raw, revolutionary or provocative as it was in the 80's and early 90's but it's still the same genre.


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 4 years ago '05        #26
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 devilmatic said:
too bad jigga snoop and kendrick all sound completely different. public enemy hasnt made a good song in 20 years.
why does it matter how long ago it is a great song is a great song.
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 justinjones said:
you have be at least in your mid to late 30s because one of the first rap albums i remember is fear of the black planet and i was 4 years old then...im pushing 30 now.

i'll listen to their first 4 albums but after that i really don't i don't get the same feeling from their new stuff then their old stuff. i think the last one i checked was revolution
Start with "Yo! Bush Rush The Show", their first. Listen to the progression through the first 4 albums. Although I will admit, over time they didn't get better. But you can't deny how nice they used to be.
 4 years ago '04        #28
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another old head tellin us whats hip hop and whats not... fukk outta here
 4 years ago '05        #29
Bobby's World 9 heat pts
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Yeah I dont agree with *Flav on this one.

In regards to tempo...if that's the case "The Message" by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 aint hip hop either.

*Edit


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 4 years ago '04        #30
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 DesolateOne said:
Start with "Yo! Bush Rush The Show", their first. Listen to the progression through the first 4 albums. Although I will admit, over time they didn't get better. But you can't deny how nice they used to be.
i know all of that im just saying after the first 4 im basically done
 4 years ago '11        #31
PotheadFocker 169 heat pts169
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 4 years ago '06        #32
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rap music is hiphop.

i don't care what hiphop originated from because all music has a origin then it evolves into different sounds and subject matter.

if that is the case then what r.kelly did isn't R&B compared to what stevie wonder did.
 4 years ago '12        #33
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 Ricky Retardo said:
i can't.



He speaking of himself cause he obviously is not listening to everything those artists make. just the records that are on the radio or overly popularized.


"Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?" - Jay-Z
You're a camel stan , stfu.
 4 years ago '04        #34
Mumbletaker 58 heat pts58
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the element of hip-hop left when rap music started being created on a slow tempo... everybody is making great rap records, but it's not hip-hop
Just because a song from 03 doesn't have the same feel to it as a song from 93 doesn't have to mean it's not hip hop. Hip hop simply evolved into something new. Every generation is going to have their own style of music.

but we think it should be along the lines of Bob Marley, Bob Dylan and Bobby Womack. It should be able to cover all aspects. When it's just about 'I got money and you don't have money', that's just taking advantage of the naivety of people
 4 years ago '09        #35
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but as soon as a new artist comes out with those 4 elements he will get no love
 4 years ago '10        #36
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Can't really argue with what he said other than mentioning Kendrick.

Yes hiphop evolves. But it no longer stands for anything.
 4 years ago '10        #37
kiddrocay 27 heat pts27
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so they are not hip-hop but lil wayne is making some great rap records
 4 years ago '04        #38
DJ Maximum|M 48 heat pts48
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I respect Chuck D but at the end of the day he comes off as a bitter old man. If you dont like the artist just say it. But saying they are not hip hop is just down right stupid. Yeah I know nobody is checking for you Chuck but the artists he mentioned changed the game in some sort or way. That's neglecting all what they have done so far and I dont agree with it. He knows hes wrong for it.
 4 years ago '13        #39
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Of course Snoop aint hip-hop

n*gga trying Reggae right now
 4 years ago '04        #40
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 HipHopFactz said:
Makes a valid point

Every rap record is about "money" and other superficial things, stans sitting there listening to another man rap about his bank account

You'll be hard pressed to find a Keep Ya Head Up in this era in the mainstream, the balance is totally one sided

Jayz cant go one song without mentioning some superficial sh*t, rappers acting like divas and sh*t

Hip hop has turned in to Liberace
so pac didnt rap about getting money and flashing sh*t? ok...... yeah he made some great uplifiting songs but the majority of sh*t he was bragging about sh*t too yall n*ggas acting like if tupac was alive he wouldve evloved into a professor or something smh yall n*ggas
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