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 PursuitProgress said:
1)O'Reilly did not speak a single original thought in that clip.

2)O'Reilly is one of the best race hustlers in the media today. His shows popularity stems from that FACT!

3)The talking points, although completely unoriginal, are essentially true! We as a community know what needs to be done, but lack the collective focus, patience & desire to do it.

Finally, I find it comically absurd that Black scholars have been making these EXACT SAME observations for more than a century and getting widely ignored by the main stream but an 8 minute clip from O'Reilly gets prime time coverage.

Guess some things never change!

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exactly...he's saying everything blacks have already said but i guess he thinks it means more when he says it..as usual ppl use black folks...just like how foxnews always tries to find blacks that will cosign their extreme and outlandish views,so if this black guy they have on the tv agrees then it must have some truth
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exactly...he's saying everything blacks have already said but i guess he thinks it means more when he says it..as usual ppl use black folks...just like how foxnews always tries to find blacks that will cosign their extreme and outlandish views,so if this black guy they have on the tv agrees then it must have some truth


hey, that's what they believe
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man you guys wanna talk racism, black ppl are the most racist ppl in the world. rest of america is changing slowly, but black ppl stay on that sh*t. you guys say black scholars have said this before right? but when a white man says it, it's bullsh*t?

constructive criticism...it helps
you realize how that sounds ?

it's 2013,bruh...foh with that slowly shyt
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Interesting...the fact that all of O' Reilly's supporters in this thread cannot make a good argument as to why African-Americans should not get reparations, no matter what form they are in. This leads me to conclude that supporters of his rant are not the deep critical thinkers that they claim to be. Yes, this means you theMindof, BravoGolf, etc. See, before you come up with solutions to a problem, you have to make sure that your analysis and framework that you are using to analyze are based on facts, not on opinions or popular conjecture.

Let me first discredit the popular idea that Africans who come to America and excel are somehow better than African-American in the inner-city. This is a flawed argument because most people who emigrate to America represent minute percentages of the overall community, city, or country they come from. For example, I recently went to China. When I was there, I observed many families who were having problems trying to get their children to learn English, pay attention in school, etc. This is in contrast to the many Chinese who come to America who are eager to learn, start from scratch, and work their way up from the bottom. You wouldn't know that if you talked to Chinese over here in the U.S., so much so that the stereotype is that all Chinese people are highly intelligent. So for the Africans that are now in the U.S. and doing well, Congratulations. But for you to ignorantly stereotype yourself as the norm is very disengenous and just feeds into the concept of white supremacy. I challenge you to go back to your country and try to educate the children there that may be of average intelligence, to help them get to your level. Will you be willing to do that? Probably not, because it is a lot easier to make it seem that what you did is so easy a caveman can do it. Conclusion: outliers do not represent the masses of any culture.


Here's my response to the O' Reilly rant:


The problems facing the inner-city communities today, which are composed of many races, mostly African Americans, must at first be isolated from the problems facing middle-class and upper class African Americans. Why you ask? Because the economic class you are born into seriously dictates your opportunities for upward mobility; the crime statistics for middle and upper-class black communities mirror that of other communities (different races) in the same tax brackets.

Now that we have isolated the problem, which is the issue of rampant crime in the inner city communities, we should look at the history of the formation of ghettos in America. The term "ghetto" actually originates from European culture, and was used to describe the dilapidated communities that Jewish people were forced to live in during the Holocaust. That should give some clues to my next hypothesis: ghettos in America were actually engineered by the government. My evidence is:

the building of massive projects (fact), the influx of drugs into these community by the CIA (fact), redistricting to prevent African Americans from gaining voting power despite the fact that they represented majorities of the population in these major cities (fact), the production of welfare benefits that promote single-family homes and reward those families financially for each child born out of wedlock (fact), predatory lending (fact), intentional witholding or non-distribution of funds by the city council which led to underfunded schools taught by weak teachers (fact).

The Africans will read the above and retort that the communities they came from were much worse, so if they could make, so can anyone. I partially agree, because in the 60's and 70's, during the Civil Rights Movement, before the onslaught of project buildings and the War with Drugs on the black community, there were groups who took the initiative like these Africans did, and set up their own free breakfast programs for children, so they could concentrate when they went to school. They also set up free health care clinics manned by real doctors who came back to help their communities after making it. There were also groups of lawyers who worked pro-bono to prevent black youth from becoming victims of the racist criminal justice system. There were also some who taught weapons training after serving their country in the Vietnam war for purposes of self-defense.

What happened to all of these people, who just like Africans who to America, were products of self-determination, hard work, creativity and stamina? They were k!lled, given life sentences in prison for crimes they did not commit, or forced to leave the country and seek political asylum like Edward Snowden is currently doing now. A prime example is Geronimo Pratt, who spent over 25 years in prison for teaching self-defense to African-Americans, and was framed for a murder he did not commit. He was given reparations (redress) for false imprisonment and servitude (yes, slavery is legal in the prison system in the U.S.) in the amount of 4.5 million dollars. a.ssata Shakur just had a 2 million dollar bounty put on her head for all of her good work, and she is like 67 years old. She is old enough to be my grandmother. Alton Maddox had his law license revoked for vigorously defending black youth in the eighties, and many other self-determined people were victims of this type of treatment have died. Pratt died in 2011. One final point: unemployment rates and lack of job opportunities are extremely high in the inner-cities, but this is actually a result of all the rest of the data, combined with chilling effect that the prison industrial complex has on people attempting to obtain employment after being released from the beast.

Analysis
After analysizing the data, which is all independently verified, we can conclude that problems that are affecting inner-city communities Do your own research if you want to try to prove me wrong. These systemic issues are institutionalized nationally in inner-cities across America, meaning that they have the effect of creating a disparate impact upon young African Americans, especially the subset African American males, when compared to similarly-situated citizens of other races. This can be confirmed with statistics, for instance, drug use among African Americans and Caucasians are the same, while African Americans are arrested for possesion at 10 times the rate of Caucasians (
[pic - click to view]

 source)

Those are the facts. It has also been proven that many police departments around the country are motivated by economics along with racism to target African Americans for traffic stops, stop and frisks, drug raids, and conspiracy to commit crimes. For example, in 2002, The American Civil Liberties Union filed a class action lawsuit charging racial discrimination in an undercover drug bust that led to the arrest of 15 percent of African-American men between the ages of 18 and 34 in Hearne, a rural community of 5,000 in Austin, Texas.

According to the ACLU's complaint, "for the past 15 years, based on the uncorroborated tales of informants, Task Force members annually raid the African American community in eastern Hearne to arrest the residents identified by the confidential informants, resulting in the arrest and harassment of innocent citizens without cause." One man was actually arrested at the funeral of his 18-month-old daughter and held for a month before charges were dropped. The complaintant Regina Kelly was arrested in a drug sweep initiated by a paid confidential informant (snitch) who had a known history of mental instability. The district attorney told him he needed to give up at least 20 people “to work off” a case of his own, because the office had received a large federal grant for drug enforcement and needed to generate arrests (economic incentive combined with racism via targeting black communities). Regina who supported by a strong single mother, was bailed out by her mom. Other woman in jail as a result of the sweep, who didn't have strong family, legal, or financial support, accepted plea deals that allowed them to be released from prison but resulted in them losing all welfare benefits, leaving them pretty much homeless for no reason. Regina won her case against the prosecutor and all charges were cleared for those woman ONLY who did not take plea deals. This is a prime example that shows you that simply living in a predominately black community that is economically at or below the poverty line puts at risk for losing your human rights, not just civil rights.

So what's the solution? Reparations. Reparations could take the form of free scholarships to college to those making 2.5 or above gpa, free college remedial programs (why would anyone PAY for a remedial class that doesn't count towards your degree is beyond me) higher teacher salaries in poverty-stricken communities along with funds to rebuild the schools there. Instead of promoting a black exodus under the guise of neighborhood revitalization, build nice apartments and single-family homes where these projects once stood, and fund the first 15-20 years of the mortgage there for the same residents to live there instead of using a strict "no family member with criminal records can live there" in order to displace the poor population. Also, to ease race relations, and all private and public student loans should be forgiven for all Americans. Instead of bailing out Wall Street, we bail out Main St. I know some people who have paid off their loans already will be upset, but this is about healing not only the open wound of African Americans, but giving all Americans room to breathe as we exit this financial crisis and create a more perfect union for all, Africans included.
 4 years ago '11        #145
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Interesting...the fact that all of O' Reilly's supporters in this thread cannot make a good argument as to why African-Americans should not get reparations, no matter what form they are in. This leads me to conclude that supporters of his rant are not the deep critical thinkers that they claim to be. Yes, this means you theMindof, BravoGolf, etc. See, before you come up with solutions to a problem, you have to make sure that your analysis and framework that you are using to analyze are based on facts, not on opinions or popular conjecture.

Let me first discredit the popular idea that Africans who come to America and excel are somehow better than African-American in the inner-city. This is a flawed argument because most people who emigrate to America represent minute percentages of the overall community, city, or country they come from. For example, I recently went to China. When I was there, I observed many families who were having problems trying to get their children to learn English, pay attention in school, etc. This is in contrast to the many Chinese who come to America who are eager to learn, start from scratch, and work their way up from the bottom. You wouldn't know that if you talked to Chinese over here in the U.S., so much so that the stereotype is that all Chinese people are highly intelligent. So for the Africans that are now in the U.S. and doing well, Congratulations. But for you to ignorantly stereotype yourself as the norm is very disengenous and just feeds into the concept of white supremacy. I challenge you to go back to your country and try to educate the children there that may be of average intelligence, to help them get to your level. Will you be willing to do that? Probably not, because it is a lot easier to make it seem that what you did is so easy a caveman can do it. Conclusion: outliers do not represent the masses of any culture.


Here's my response to the O' Reilly rant:


The problems facing the inner-city communities today, which are composed of many races, mostly African Americans, must at first be isolated from the problems facing middle-class and upper class African Americans. Why you ask? Because the economic class you are born into seriously dictates your opportunities for upward mobility; the crime statistics for middle and upper-class black communities mirror that of other communities (different races) in the same tax brackets.

Now that we have isolated the problem, which is the issue of rampant crime in the inner city communities, we should look at the history of the formation of ghettos in America. The term "ghetto" actually originates from European culture, and was used to describe the dilapidated communities that Jewish people were forced to live in during the Holocaust. That should give some clues to my next hypothesis: ghettos in America were actually engineered by the government. My evidence is:

the building of massive projects (fact), the influx of drugs into these community by the CIA (fact), redistricting to prevent African Americans from gaining voting power despite the fact that they represented majorities of the population in these major cities (fact), the production of welfare benefits that promote single-family homes and reward those families financially for each child born out of wedlock (fact), predatory lending (fact), intentional witholding or non-distribution of funds by the city council which led to underfunded schools taught by weak teachers (fact).

The Africans will read the above and retort that the communities they came from were much worse, so if they could make, so can anyone. I partially agree, because in the 60's and 70's, during the Civil Rights Movement, before the onslaught of project buildings and the War with Drugs on the black community, there were groups who took the initiative like these Africans did, and set up their own free breakfast programs for children, so they could concentrate when they went to school. They also set up free health care clinics manned by real doctors who came back to help their communities after making it. There were also groups of lawyers who worked pro-bono to prevent black youth from becoming victims of the racist criminal justice system. There were also some who taught weapons training after serving their country in the Vietnam war for purposes of self-defense.

What happened to all of these people, who just like Africans who to America, were products of self-determination, hard work, creativity and stamina? They were k!lled, given life sentences in prison for crimes they did not commit, or forced to leave the country and seek political asylum like Edward Snowden is currently doing now. A prime example is Geronimo Pratt, who spent over 25 years in prison for teaching self-defense to African-Americans, and was framed for a murder he did not commit. He was given reparations (redress) for false imprisonment and servitude (yes, slavery is legal in the prison system in the U.S.) in the amount of 4.5 million dollars. a.ssata Shakur just had a 2 million dollar bounty put on her head for all of her good work, and she is like 67 years old. She is old enough to be my grandmother. Alton Maddox had his law license revoked for vigorously defending black youth in the eighties, and many other self-determined people were victims of this type of treatment have died. Pratt died in 2011. One final point: unemployment rates and lack of job opportunities are extremely high in the inner-cities, but this is actually a result of all the rest of the data, combined with chilling effect that the prison industrial complex has on people attempting to obtain employment after being released from the beast.

Analysis
After analysizing the data, which is all independently verified, we can conclude that problems that are affecting inner-city communities Do your own research if you want to try to prove me wrong. These systemic issues are institutionalized nationally in inner-cities across America, meaning that they have the effect of creating a disparate impact upon young African Americans, especially the subset African American males, when compared to similarly-situated citizens of other races. This can be confirmed with statistics, for instance, drug use among African Americans and Caucasians are the same, while African Americans are arrested for possesion at 10 times the rate of Caucasians (
[pic - click to view]

 source)

Those are the facts. It has also been proven that many police departments around the country are motivated by economics along with racism to target African Americans for traffic stops, stop and frisks, drug raids, and conspiracy to commit crimes. For example, in 2002, The American Civil Liberties Union filed a class action lawsuit charging racial discrimination in an undercover drug bust that led to the arrest of 15 percent of African-American men between the ages of 18 and 34 in Hearne, a rural community of 5,000 in Austin, Texas.

According to the ACLU's complaint, "for the past 15 years, based on the uncorroborated tales of informants, Task Force members annually raid the African American community in eastern Hearne to arrest the residents identified by the confidential informants, resulting in the arrest and harassment of innocent citizens without cause." One man was actually arrested at the funeral of his 18-month-old daughter and held for a month before charges were dropped. The complaintant Regina Kelly was arrested in a drug sweep initiated by a paid confidential informant (snitch) who had a known history of mental instability. The district attorney told him he needed to give up at least 20 people “to work off” a case of his own, because the office had received a large federal grant for drug enforcement and needed to generate arrests (economic incentive combined with racism via targeting black communities). Regina who supported by a strong single mother, was bailed out by her mom. Other woman in jail as a result of the sweep, who didn't have strong family, legal, or financial support, accepted plea deals that allowed them to be released from prison but resulted in them losing all welfare benefits, leaving them pretty much homeless for no reason. Regina won her case against the prosecutor and all charges were cleared for those woman ONLY who did not take plea deals. This is a prime example that shows you that simply living in a predominately black community that is economically at or below the poverty line puts at risk for losing your human rights, not just civil rights.

So what's the solution? Reparations. Reparations could take the form of free scholarships to college to those making 2.5 or above gpa, free college remedial programs (why would anyone PAY for a remedial class that doesn't count towards your degree is beyond me) higher teacher salaries in poverty-stricken communities along with funds to rebuild the schools there. Instead of promoting a black exodus under the guise of neighborhood revitalization, build nice apartments and single-family homes where these projects once stood, and fund the first 15-20 years of the mortgage there for the same residents to live there instead of using a strict "no family member with criminal records can live there" in order to displace the poor population. Also, to ease race relations, and all private and public student loans should be forgiven for all Americans. Instead of bailing out Wall Street, we bail out Main St. I know some people who have paid off their loans already will be upset, but this is about healing not only the open wound of African Americans, but giving all Americans room to breathe as we exit this financial crisis and create a more perfect union for all, Africans included.
bravo sir
 4 years ago '13        #146
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 I_make_beatz said:
Interesting...the fact that all of O' Reilly's supporters in this thread cannot make a good argument as to why African-Americans should not get reparations, no matter what form they are in. This leads me to conclude that supporters of his rant are not the deep critical thinkers that they claim to be. Yes, this means you theMindof, BravoGolf, etc. See, before you come up with solutions to a problem, you have to make sure that your analysis and framework that you are using to analyze are based on facts, not on opinions or popular conjecture.

Let me first discredit the popular idea that Africans who come to America and excel are somehow better than African-American in the inner-city. This is a flawed argument because most people who emigrate to America represent minute percentages of the overall community, city, or country they come from. For example, I recently went to China. When I was there, I observed many families who were having problems trying to get their children to learn English, pay attention in school, etc. This is in contrast to the many Chinese who come to America who are eager to learn, start from scratch, and work their way up from the bottom. You wouldn't know that if you talked to Chinese over here in the U.S., so much so that the stereotype is that all Chinese people are highly intelligent. So for the Africans that are now in the U.S. and doing well, Congratulations. But for you to ignorantly stereotype yourself as the norm is very disengenous and just feeds into the concept of white supremacy. I challenge you to go back to your country and try to educate the children there that may be of average intelligence, to help them get to your level. Will you be willing to do that? Probably not, because it is a lot easier to make it seem that what you did is so easy a caveman can do it. Conclusion: outliers do not represent the masses of any culture.

Here's my response to the O' Reilly rant:


The problems facing the inner-city communities today, which are composed of many races, mostly African Americans, must at first be isolated from the problems facing middle-class and upper class African Americans. Why you ask? Because the economic class you are born into seriously dictates your opportunities for upward mobility; the crime statistics for middle and upper-class black communities mirror that of other communities (different races) in the same tax brackets.

Now that we have isolated the problem, which is the issue of rampant crime in the inner city communities, we should look at the history of the formation of ghettos in America. The term "ghetto" actually originates from European culture, and was used to describe the dilapidated communities that Jewish people were forced to live in during the Holocaust. That should give some clues to my next hypothesis: ghettos in America were actually engineered by the government. My evidence is:
the building of massive projects (fact), the influx of drugs into these community by the CIA (fact), redistricting to prevent African Americans from gaining voting power despite the fact that they represented majorities of the population in these major cities (fact), the production of welfare benefits that promote single-family homes and reward those families financially for each child born out of wedlock (fact), predatory lending (fact), intentional witholding or non-distribution of funds by the city council which led to underfunded schools taught by weak teachers (fact).
The Africans will read the above and retort that the communities they came from were much worse, so if they could make, so can anyone. I partially agree, because in the 60's and 70's, during the Civil Rights Movement, before the onslaught of project buildings and the War with Drugs on the black community, there were groups who took the initiative like these Africans did, and set up their own free breakfast programs for children, so they could concentrate when they went to school. They also set up free health care clinics manned by real doctors who came back to help their communities after making it. There were also groups of lawyers who worked pro-bono to prevent black youth from becoming victims of the racist criminal justice system. There were also some who taught weapons training after serving their country in the Vietnam war for purposes of self-defense.

What happened to all of these people, who just like Africans who to America, were products of self-determination, hard work, creativity and stamina? They were k!lled, given life sentences in prison for crimes they did not commit, or forced to leave the country and seek political asylum like Edward Snowden is currently doing now. A prime example is Geronimo Pratt, who spent over 25 years in prison for teaching self-defense to African-Americans, and was framed for a murder he did not commit. He was given reparations (redress) for false imprisonment and servitude (yes, slavery is legal in the prison system in the U.S.) in the amount of 4.5 million dollars. a.ssata Shakur just had a 2 million dollar bounty put on her head for all of her good work, and she is like 67 years old. She is old enough to be my grandmother. Alton Maddox had his law license revoked for vigorously defending black youth in the eighties, and many other self-determined people were victims of this type of treatment have died. Pratt died in 2011. One final point: unemployment rates and lack of job opportunities are extremely high in the inner-cities, but this is actually a result of all the rest of the data, combined with chilling effect that the prison industrial complex has on people attempting to obtain employment after being released from the beast.

Analysis
After analysizing the data, which is all independently verified, we can conclude that problems that are affecting inner-city communities Do your own research if you want to try to prove me wrong. These systemic issues are institutionalized nationally in inner-cities across America, meaning that they have the effect of creating a disparate impact upon young African Americans, especially the subset African American males, when compared to similarly-situated citizens of other races. This can be confirmed with statistics, for instance, drug use among African Americans and Caucasians are the same, while African Americans are arrested for possesion at 10 times the rate of Caucasians (
[pic - click to view]

 source)

Those are the facts. It has also been proven that many police departments around the country are motivated by economics along with racism to target African Americans for traffic stops, stop and frisks, drug raids, and conspiracy to commit crimes. For example, in 2002, The American Civil Liberties Union filed a class action lawsuit charging racial discrimination in an undercover drug bust that led to the arrest of 15 percent of African-American men between the ages of 18 and 34 in Hearne, a rural community of 5,000 in Austin, Texas.

According to the ACLU's complaint, "for the past 15 years, based on the uncorroborated tales of informants, Task Force members annually raid the African American community in eastern Hearne to arrest the residents identified by the confidential informants, resulting in the arrest and harassment of innocent citizens without cause." One man was actually arrested at the funeral of his 18-month-old daughter and held for a month before charges were dropped. The complaintant Regina Kelly was arrested in a drug sweep initiated by a paid confidential informant (snitch) who had a known history of mental instability. The district attorney told him he needed to give up at least 20 people “to work off” a case of his own, because the office had received a large federal grant for drug enforcement and needed to generate arrests (economic incentive combined with racism via targeting black communities). Regina who supported by a strong single mother, was bailed out by her mom. Other woman in jail as a result of the sweep, who didn't have strong family, legal, or financial support, accepted plea deals that allowed them to be released from prison but resulted in them losing all welfare benefits, leaving them pretty much homeless for no reason. Regina won her case against the prosecutor and all charges were cleared for those woman ONLY who did not take plea deals. This is a prime example that shows you that simply living in a predominately black community that is economically at or below the poverty line puts at risk for losing your human rights, not just civil rights.

So what's the solution? Reparations. Reparations could take the form of free scholarships to college to those making 2.5 or above gpa, free college remedial programs (why would anyone PAY for a remedial class that doesn't count towards your degree is beyond me) higher teacher salaries in poverty-stricken communities along with funds to rebuild the schools there.
Instead of promoting a black exodus under the guise of neighborhood revitalization, build nice apartments and single-family homes where these projects once stood, and fund the first 15-20 years of the mortgage there for the same residents to live there instead of using a strict "no family member with criminal records can live there" in order to displace the poor population. Also, to ease race relations, and all private and public student loans should be forgiven for all Americans. Instead of bailing out Wall Street, we bail out Main St. I know some people who have paid off their loans already will be upset, but this is about healing not only the open wound of African Americans, but giving all Americans room to breathe as we exit this financial crisis and create a more perfect union for all, Africans included.



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NOT ONLY DO YOU MAKE BEATZ... BUT YOU MAKE A TON OF SENSE!

Although I feel the solution to the woes of the black community must come from within first your thoughts on the form reparations should take are BRILLIANT!

NOW PLEASE LOG OFF AND GO HELP FIND A CURE FOR CANCER...PROPS!
 4 years ago '05        #147
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im sure mindof will come in here with an equally long winded post like beatz but wont have nearly half the substance
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 I_make_beatz said:
Interesting...the fact that all of O' Reilly's supporters in this thread cannot make a good argument as to why African-Americans should not get reparations, no matter what form they are in.
Nah.. I've seen a lot of posts saying that reparations are a good idea.. So long as it's in the form of something that can better the black experience.

Im all for a free ride to college for young black men and women who have a clean criminal background, and graduate high school with at least a 2.5 GPA (or something along those lines).

Those are the ones who fall through the cracks the most. The ones who do "Okay" in school but graduate without any scholarships or a way to pay for a college or university.

If they can be given an incentive to just try, at academics and avoid street life I'm sure it would make a difference.
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 TheMindOf said:
Dude is right. Nobody will be able to fix anything in the black community accept the people in the black community. Can't help people who don't want to be helped.

Like dude said. Any time ANYBODY brings up any problem or issue in the black community (Wedlock Pregnancies, Violence, Truancy rates), they immediately get labeled a racist or an "Uncle Tom".

We all see the problems, but when anybody tries to address them Black Americans say "No it's not a problem. You're just picking on us because you're racist"

Or you get the classic "Bu..bu.. but white people are doing x,y,z too"

So because white people aint sh*t, yall dont wanna be sh*t either?

Black people are only 13% of the US population. There's no way n*ggas should even be CLOSE to White People (who make up 73% of the population) in ANY negative statistic.

Yet n*ggas seem to be damn close to them (or surpassing them) in just about every one of them.

That sh*t is crazy.

But who can talk to yall? Anybody who doesn't baby Black Americans and tell them that all their problems are caused by "somebody else" and that nothing is their fault is immediately shunned and considered the enemy.
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 PursuitProgress said:
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NOT ONLY DO YOU MAKE BEATZ... BUT YOU MAKE A TON OF SENSE!

Although I feel the solution to the woes of the black community must come from within first your thoughts on the form reparations should take are BRILLIANT!

NOW PLEASE LOG OFF AND GO HELP FIND A CURE FOR CANCER...PROPS!
'Preciate it mayne. While racists and people who don't have knowledge of self want to commend Mr. O' Reilly for his "epic" rant, his little speech is, in reality, no better than uneducated barbershop talk. For example, I now give you this clip from Barbershop:

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 I_make_beatz said:
'Preciate it mayne. While racists and people who don't have knowledge of self want to commend Mr. O' Reilly for his "epic" rant, his little speech is, in reality, no better than uneducated barbershop talk. For example, I now give you this clip from Barbershop:
SO TRUE. Those who stand for nothing fall for anything... Including applauding a "race hustler" who's basically regurgitating NAS lyrics in one segment, only to condemn him in the next!



I FOR ONE, WILL NOT, BE A NEW SLAVE!


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 4 years ago '13        #153
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 I_make_beatz said:
Interesting...the fact that all of O' Reilly's supporters in this thread cannot make a good argument as to why African-Americans should not get reparations, no matter what form they are in. This leads me to conclude that supporters of his rant are not the deep critical thinkers that they claim to be. Yes, this means you theMindof, BravoGolf, etc. See, before you come up with solutions to a problem, you have to make sure that your analysis and framework that you are using to analyze are based on facts, not on opinions or popular conjecture.

Let me first discredit the popular idea that Africans who come to America and excel are somehow better than African-American in the inner-city. This is a flawed argument because most people who emigrate to America represent minute percentages of the overall community, city, or country they come from. For example, I recently went to China. When I was there, I observed many families who were having problems trying to get their children to learn English, pay attention in school, etc. This is in contrast to the many Chinese who come to America who are eager to learn, start from scratch, and work their way up from the bottom. You wouldn't know that if you talked to Chinese over here in the U.S., so much so that the stereotype is that all Chinese people are highly intelligent. So for the Africans that are now in the U.S. and doing well, Congratulations. But for you to ignorantly stereotype yourself as the norm is very disengenous and just feeds into the concept of white supremacy. I challenge you to go back to your country and try to educate the children there that may be of average intelligence, to help them get to your level. Will you be willing to do that? Probably not, because it is a lot easier to make it seem that what you did is so easy a caveman can do it. Conclusion: outliers do not represent the masses of any culture.


Here's my response to the O' Reilly rant:


The problems facing the inner-city communities today, which are composed of many races, mostly African Americans, must at first be isolated from the problems facing middle-class and upper class African Americans. Why you ask? Because the economic class you are born into seriously dictates your opportunities for upward mobility; the crime statistics for middle and upper-class black communities mirror that of other communities (different races) in the same tax brackets.

Now that we have isolated the problem, which is the issue of rampant crime in the inner city communities, we should look at the history of the formation of ghettos in America. The term "ghetto" actually originates from European culture, and was used to describe the dilapidated communities that Jewish people were forced to live in during the Holocaust. That should give some clues to my next hypothesis: ghettos in America were actually engineered by the government. My evidence is:

the building of massive projects (fact), the influx of drugs into these community by the CIA (fact), redistricting to prevent African Americans from gaining voting power despite the fact that they represented majorities of the population in these major cities (fact), the production of welfare benefits that promote single-family homes and reward those families financially for each child born out of wedlock (fact), predatory lending (fact), intentional witholding or non-distribution of funds by the city council which led to underfunded schools taught by weak teachers (fact).

The Africans will read the above and retort that the communities they came from were much worse, so if they could make, so can anyone. I partially agree, because in the 60's and 70's, during the Civil Rights Movement, before the onslaught of project buildings and the War with Drugs on the black community, there were groups who took the initiative like these Africans did, and set up their own free breakfast programs for children, so they could concentrate when they went to school. They also set up free health care clinics manned by real doctors who came back to help their communities after making it. There were also groups of lawyers who worked pro-bono to prevent black youth from becoming victims of the racist criminal justice system. There were also some who taught weapons training after serving their country in the Vietnam war for purposes of self-defense.

What happened to all of these people, who just like Africans who to America, were products of self-determination, hard work, creativity and stamina? They were k!lled, given life sentences in prison for crimes they did not commit, or forced to leave the country and seek political asylum like Edward Snowden is currently doing now. A prime example is Geronimo Pratt, who spent over 25 years in prison for teaching self-defense to African-Americans, and was framed for a murder he did not commit. He was given reparations (redress) for false imprisonment and servitude (yes, slavery is legal in the prison system in the U.S.) in the amount of 4.5 million dollars. a.ssata Shakur just had a 2 million dollar bounty put on her head for all of her good work, and she is like 67 years old. She is old enough to be my grandmother. Alton Maddox had his law license revoked for vigorously defending black youth in the eighties, and many other self-determined people were victims of this type of treatment have died. Pratt died in 2011. One final point: unemployment rates and lack of job opportunities are extremely high in the inner-cities, but this is actually a result of all the rest of the data, combined with chilling effect that the prison industrial complex has on people attempting to obtain employment after being released from the beast.

Analysis
After analysizing the data, which is all independently verified, we can conclude that problems that are affecting inner-city communities Do your own research if you want to try to prove me wrong. These systemic issues are institutionalized nationally in inner-cities across America, meaning that they have the effect of creating a disparate impact upon young African Americans, especially the subset African American males, when compared to similarly-situated citizens of other races. This can be confirmed with statistics, for instance, drug use among African Americans and Caucasians are the same, while African Americans are arrested for possesion at 10 times the rate of Caucasians (
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Those are the facts. It has also been proven that many police departments around the country are motivated by economics along with racism to target African Americans for traffic stops, stop and frisks, drug raids, and conspiracy to commit crimes. For example, in 2002, The American Civil Liberties Union filed a class action lawsuit charging racial discrimination in an undercover drug bust that led to the arrest of 15 percent of African-American men between the ages of 18 and 34 in Hearne, a rural community of 5,000 in Austin, Texas.

According to the ACLU's complaint, "for the past 15 years, based on the uncorroborated tales of informants, Task Force members annually raid the African American community in eastern Hearne to arrest the residents identified by the confidential informants, resulting in the arrest and harassment of innocent citizens without cause." One man was actually arrested at the funeral of his 18-month-old daughter and held for a month before charges were dropped. The complaintant Regina Kelly was arrested in a drug sweep initiated by a paid confidential informant (snitch) who had a known history of mental instability. The district attorney told him he needed to give up at least 20 people “to work off” a case of his own, because the office had received a large federal grant for drug enforcement and needed to generate arrests (economic incentive combined with racism via targeting black communities). Regina who supported by a strong single mother, was bailed out by her mom. Other woman in jail as a result of the sweep, who didn't have strong family, legal, or financial support, accepted plea deals that allowed them to be released from prison but resulted in them losing all welfare benefits, leaving them pretty much homeless for no reason. Regina won her case against the prosecutor and all charges were cleared for those woman ONLY who did not take plea deals. This is a prime example that shows you that simply living in a predominately black community that is economically at or below the poverty line puts at risk for losing your human rights, not just civil rights.

So what's the solution? Reparations. Reparations could take the form of free scholarships to college to those making 2.5 or above gpa, free college remedial programs (why would anyone PAY for a remedial class that doesn't count towards your degree is beyond me) higher teacher salaries in poverty-stricken communities along with funds to rebuild the schools there. Instead of promoting a black exodus under the guise of neighborhood revitalization, build nice apartments and single-family homes where these projects once stood, and fund the first 15-20 years of the mortgage there for the same residents to live there instead of using a strict "no family member with criminal records can live there" in order to displace the poor population. Also, to ease race relations, and all private and public student loans should be forgiven for all Americans. Instead of bailing out Wall Street, we bail out Main St. I know some people who have paid off their loans already will be upset, but this is about healing not only the open wound of African Americans, but giving all Americans room to breathe as we exit this financial crisis and create a more perfect union for all, Africans included.
Making beatz and truth... I hope ur beats sound like this
 4 years ago '13        #154
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4 U MindOf
 4 years ago '10        #155
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 Thetinman said:


4 U MindOf
Yall can post all the MSNBC and Young Turk sh*t at me you want.

I'll tell you this... Every summer when I'm going to my little cousins, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts etc Graduation /acceptance letter parties

and all I see is other African family pulling up in paid for Jaguars, Lexus', BMW's, Benz' etc. We know why we successful.

And if us passing down some knowledge to the "Black" community is seen as hating. So be it.. We aint here to help yall succeed. All we can do is TRY to pass on our knowledge of this country to yall...

Take it or leave it. We dont care either way.

Like I said earlier. Let us be all the dark skinned Engineers, Doctors, Nurses, and Professors in this country. We'll take it. Gladly.
 4 years ago '13        #156
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SMH I swear n*ggas don't get it...

U still my n*gga tho
 4 years ago '05        #157
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 TheMindOf said:
Yall can post all the MSNBC and Young Turk sh*t at me you want.

I'll tell you this... Every summer when I'm going to my little cousins, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts etc Graduation /acceptance letter parties

and all I see is other African family pulling up in paid for Jaguars, Lexus', BMW's, Benz' etc. We know why we successful.

And if us passing down some knowledge to the "Black" community is seen as hating. So be it.. We aint here to help yall succeed. All we can do is TRY to pass on our knowledge of this country to yall...

Take it or leave it. We dont care either way.

Like I said earlier. Let us be all the dark skinned Engineers, Doctors, Nurses, and Professors in this country. We'll take it. Gladly.
but you arent all of anything
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 TheMindOf said:
Yall can post all the MSNBC and Young Turk sh*t at me you want.

I'll tell you this... Every summer when I'm going to my little cousins, brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts etc Graduation /acceptance letter parties

and all I see is other African family pulling up in paid for Jaguars, Lexus', BMW's, Benz' etc. We know why we successful.

And if us passing down some knowledge to the "Black" community is seen as hating. So be it.. We aint here to help yall succeed. All we can do is TRY to pass on our knowledge of this country to yall...

Take it or leave it. We dont care either way.

Like I said earlier. Let us be all the dark skinned Engineers, Doctors, Nurses, and Professors in this country. We'll take it. Gladly.
That's truly ironic. One of the primary issues with the Black Community is the "We don't care either way" type of thinking.

Oddly enough, when I'm attending the same type of parties for the same reasons I feel sadness that there aren't more people that look like us celebrating for the same reasons.

Lastly, although you & I are not in this category, there are many Africans & Haitians for that matter, who are doing nothing to make progress for themselves or our people!

NO DISRESPECT intended.


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 4 years ago '06        #159
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Bill O is a complete racist..
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 Gm0ney85 said:
muh fu*kas want to act like there aint a fukin lingerin effect from all the inequalities of this country huh... like all of a sudden all the disadvantages have just disappeared and people aint left underprivileged because of not only knowledge being with held in our school system but also mis construed to tell us lies?? .. ...

like the country aint been fu*kin brainwashed since day fkin 1... n*gga fu*k a bill o'rielly and anybody that believes this idiodic middle american way of thinking..

if anything this sh*t is perpetuating the stereotypes.. keeping people in that exact frame of mind.. fu*kin manipulating people ideas of what people are in various cultures so when they see black people they first thought is always about some dumb sh*t... and over time its not just non-blacks that believe it, but black as well start to fall for the hype and then accept they destruction..... c'mon son all the sh*t he mentions happens in all communities...


props given though
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