1996 Soul Train Awards [Death Row x Bad Boy]

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 4 years ago '13        #21
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 KnicksLost said:
Pac was a clown for starting the whole east coast west coast sh*t when he knew who did it

Big got his life taken for some sh*t he aint have nothing to do with

Big wanted to squash that pac wanted to keep it going to sell records...u cant talk all that pro-black

sh*t when you got the opportunity to turn a negative situation into a positive one and continue a

lie.
Is this the same Biggie who went on radio and called a hit out on Pac, which then led to shots being fired at Snoop/DPG trailer, cuz dudes thought Pac was there?

After which Pac dropped Hit'em Up as a diss

It was BIG's own mouth what turned the sh*t serious, that both sides were unable to vist each others coasts without drama unfolding.

How many times did Pac mention BIG on AEOM, aside from a small reference to him on U Cant C Me?


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 4 years ago '07        #22
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 KnicksLost said:
Pac was a clown for starting the whole east coast west coast sh*t when he knew who did it


it wasn't started by pac, it was started by suge and puffy. true enough pac prolonged it but did not start it.


it was started when puffy got in his feelings about suge managing his bad boy/uptown artists mary j blige and jodeci.

mary j blige and jodeci were managed by "west coast managment" owned by suge knight

andre and puffy were robbing them and suge got them better contracts, thats the reason suge told all the bad boy artists to "come to death row" at the 1995 source awards.


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 4 years ago '13        #23
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 cankstoochie said:

andre and puffy were robbing them and suge got them better contracts, thats the reason suge told all the bad boy artists to "come to death row" at the 1994 source awards.
You are somewhat right

But the main reason why Suge made that comment was directly linked to a conversation he had with Biggie.

"And speaking of Source Awards, heres something that you might find interesting. Did you ever wonder why Suge called out Puffy during the 1995 broadcast? Well a couple of Source staffers were hanging out at the venue during the rehearsals when Biggie and later Suge happened to wander by. Biggie began to voice his displeasure about being on Bad Boy and was talking about possibly making a change. Suge told him that he would be happy to have him at death Row and that they should talk about how they could make that happen. And thats how the whole mess started." - Benzino




Suge was basically trying to steal Biggie off Puffand at the time it seemed BIG wanted to be on the biggest rap label at the time working with his idol Dre
 4 years ago '12        #24
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Why do n*ggas think Pac was on the island majority of the time? Lol


Pac was in Clinton Max most of the time, Rikers is a jail Clinton Max is a prison for those who don't know if you don't know the difference between a jail n prison, look it up.

Anyway this a BX EXCLUSIVE for whoever didn't kno, if you don't wanna believe me than don't idc but this source is highly reputable. Pac was in PC when he was in Clinton Max, not cuz he wanted to be there but cuz of his status n who he was obviously.

But there was a group of inmates who was like yo if this n*gga ever hit General Population we gon get this n*gga son, they wanted to see Pac 4real. They wanted to press him on that thug life sh*t.
 4 years ago '07        #25
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 Blue Smoke said:
even though jimmy was probably behind pac gettin' robbed even he knew what kinda n*gga pac was.
What kind of n*gga was pac?


When them n*ggas came to punish him at the studio he didnt lay down like stretch did. They had to beat pac to the ground. And after getting beat and shot he didn't leave the studio, he hopped on the elevator and confronted jimmy henchmen and told puffy to roll him a blunt. Thats a real n*gga to me.
 4 years ago '12        #26
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 Blue Smoke said:
pac had a gun on him and got shot for reachin' for it. I like pac but he wasn't built like that the first time he tried to go to the streets and got put to the test he got shot a few times the second time he tried to go to the streets and got put to the test it cost him his life.
So because he got clapped & died he couldn't have been like that. So real n*ggas & real street n*ggas have never lost they lives?
 4 years ago '13        #27
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 Blue Smoke said:
he mention biggie and puffy at the end of no more pain.
Like I said AEOM doesn't have any huge disses to Big/Badboy, the biggest diss on the song is a subliminal one Holla At Me and that is directed to Stretch

only real notable shot which mentions Biggie by name is on U Cant C Me i.e "this ones for you big baby"

and a subliminal shot at Puff "weak a.ss n*ggas, skanless c*nts, fu*kin ceo's"


When Pac decided to go hardbody with Hit'em Up, that was after AEOM was released and a reply to shots being fired at Snoop.

Snoop and DJ Quick have already confirmed this, Snoop was about to drop a diss record after that, but Pac told Snoop that don't worry he got this because Pac felt it wasa lame move by Biggie to do that over on the airwaves

After that Pac showed him no mercy
 4 years ago '12        #28
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 Blue Smoke said:
they have. pac wasn't no street n*gga like that tupac had already made it he didn't have to resort to street sh*t because he was past that. even on the night he died he was rumblin' wit a n*gga that wasn't even on his level pac was a superstar wit millions of records sold and a great actor what did he have to gain by gangbangin' and tryin' to be down ?
You don't gotta be a gangsta to be a street n*gga tho, Pac was a street n*gga. It don't get much more street than having a momz who's a crackhead, living in mad different hoods being in shelters ain't sh*t like that.

If somebody jump ya mans n u retaliate that makes u a gangbanger? I mean idk much about the pac tryna be down & being a gangbanger, all I know is after he was shot the 1st time he was a changed man.
 07-21-2013, 01:51 PM         #29
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 Blue Smoke said:
they have. pac wasn't no street n*gga like that tupac had already made it he didn't have to resort to street sh*t because he was past that. even on the night he died he was rumblin' wit a n*gga that wasn't even on his level pac was a superstar wit millions of records sold and a great actor what did he have to gain by gangbangin' and tryin' to be down ?
Exactly. He became something he was not as soon as he participated in that Juice movie.

Dude lived comfortably as a child and was sent to private schools, was a renowned ballerina, and even managed to become a back-up dancer (which was a lucrative job at the time when break-dancing was still big in hip-hop) for the Digital Underground which obviously paid well.

If you read the interview he did for Vibe while incarcerated there were subtle nuances in his character that revealed he wasn't this "thug" that he tried to portray himself to be, like when he started copping pleas and claiming he "no longer wanted to be a thug", etc.

And if you study the way he carried himself to him rocking nose-rings (a piece of accessory which was generally a.ssociated with homos3xuals and females when he was alive), to him being caught red-handed in gay clubs by people like Queen Latifah, you could tell dude was an amazing actor--as he quite clearly wasn't the "lady lover" he presented himself as in his music.

Pac is an amazing talent, a really captivating man when at his most honest, and an all-time favorite of mine, but his snitching on records and fake-beefs will forever tarnish his legacy for me and many others (such as yourself) who aren't overly-infatuated with the man.
 4 years ago '11        #30
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 Analytical One said:
Dude lived comfortably as a child

Dude lived comfortably as a child

Dude lived comfortably as a child

Dude lived comfortably as a child

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 4 years ago '12        #31
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This thread proves that op is someone on hip hop ignore list. And knickslost lost.
 4 years ago '13        #32
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Pac and his family moved town for town, lived in shelters, it only gets more poorer than that if u sleeping on the streets, and for a short period of time Pac was sleeping on a park bench before he got with Digital Underground.

He was arrested 13 times before he even got a record deal, granted he never did no time, but he was out there.

Jada Smith said Pac came to school with holes in his shoes, the school then arranged for him to get some shoes. Then when he was old enough he started working at the pizza joint, just so he cud get a hot meal cuz his moms was long gone mentally.

Biggie was a modestly wealthy kid who never went without a meal, but chose to hang with the local thugs. Big had a large crib compared to a lot of kids on his street, so all his lil hommies wud come stay at his crib and eat cuisine food. BIGS moms had a good job and BIG himself was a promising student, could have ended up working in Wall Street. Sadly for Biggie he wanted to be a criminal, and impregnated some ugly brod and created a mess of his life.

Pacs unstable family life is why he ended up where he did, he was forced on a route because of his moms crack addiction and family being dead or in jail.

BIG had a good moms, but he was allured by the dirt and wanted to make a quick buck and be a cool kid. He didn't need to go that route, he chose it.


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 4 years ago '12        #33
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 Analytical One said:
Exactly. He became something he was not as soon as he participated in that Juice movie.

Dude lived comfortably as a child and was sent to private schools, was a renowned ballerina, and even managed to become a back-up dancer (which was a lucrative job at the time when break-dancing was still big in hip-hop) for the Digital Underground which obviously paid well.

If you read the interview he did for Vibe while incarcerated there were subtle nuances in his character that revealed he wasn't this "thug" that he tried to portray himself to be, like when he started copping pleas and claiming he "no longer wanted to be a thug", etc.

And if you study the way he carried himself to him rocking nose-rings (a piece of accessory which was generally a.ssociated with homos3xuals and females when he was alive), to him being caught red-handed in gay clubs by people like Queen Latifah, you could tell dude was an amazing actor--as he quite clearly wasn't the "lady lover" he presented himself as in his music.

Pac is an amazing talent, a really captivating man when at his most honest, and an all-time favorite of mine, but his snitching on records and fake-beefs will forever tarnish his legacy for me and many others (such as yourself) who aren't overly-infatuated with the man.
Just stop
 4 years ago '07        #34
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 Blue Smoke said:
pac had a gun on him and got shot for reachin' for it. I like pac but he wasn't built like that the first time he tried to go to the streets and got put to the test he got shot a few times the second time he tried to go to the streets and got put to the test it cost him his life.



they told him to get down or lay down and he reached for his weapon... what else you want him to do to prove that he's real?


any other n*gga would have laid down at their first command but pac decided to defend himself. how is that not keeping it real?


come on scrap, YOU would have shat yourself
 4 years ago '13        #35
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 cankstoochie said:



they told him to get down or lay down and he reached for his weapon... what else you want him to do to prove that he's real?


any other n*gga would have laid down at their first command but pac decided to defend himself. how is that not keeping it real?


come on scrap, YOU would have shat yourself
Yup

Also Scarface said he was down the road that day and if he had been there with Pac, then he'd either be catching a murder case or be murdered himself. He wasn't going to lay down, especially since they outnumbered everyone. NY mentality is to lay down, that's why New Yawk stay losing.

Real G's dont lay down like punks, live or die, have some pride, shame Pac was with some eastcoast suckaz, only one real dude from Pacs click gave chase and was shot.


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 4 years ago '12        #36
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 Analytical One said:
Exactly. He became something he was not as soon as he participated in that Juice movie.

Dude lived comfortably as a child and was sent to private schools, was a renowned ballerina, and even managed to become a back-up dancer (which was a lucrative job at the time when break-dancing was still big in hip-hop) for the Digital Underground which obviously paid well.

If you read the interview he did for Vibe while incarcerated there were subtle nuances in his character that revealed he wasn't this "thug" that he tried to portray himself to be, like when he started copping pleas and claiming he "[COLOR="White"]no longer wanted to be a thug",[/COLOR] etc.

And if you study the way he carried himself to him rocking nose-rings (a piece of accessory which was generally a.ssociated with homos3xuals and females when he was alive), to him being caught red-handed in gay clubs by people like Queen Latifah, you could tell dude was an amazing actor--as he quite clearly wasn't the "lady lover" he presented himself as in his music.

Pac is an amazing talent, a really captivating man when at his most honest, and an all-time favorite of mine, but his snitching on records and fake-beefs will forever tarnish his legacy for me and many others (such as yourself) who aren't overly-infatuated with the man.
Please post the link of pac saying that..
 4 years ago '07        #37
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 Analytical One said:
Exactly. He became something he was not as soon as he participated in that Juice movie.

Dude lived comfortably as a child and was sent to private schools, was a renowned ballerina, and even managed to become a back-up dancer (which was a lucrative job at the time when break-dancing was still big in hip-hop) for the Digital Underground which obviously paid well.

If you read the interview he did for Vibe while incarcerated there were subtle nuances in his character that revealed he wasn't this "thug" that he tried to portray himself to be, like when he started copping pleas and claiming he "no longer wanted to be a thug", etc.

And if you study the way he carried himself to him rocking nose-rings (a piece of accessory which was generally a.ssociated with homos3xuals and females when he was alive), to him being caught red-handed in gay clubs by people like Queen Latifah, you could tell dude was an amazing actor--as he quite clearly wasn't the "lady lover" he presented himself as in his music.

Pac is an amazing talent, a really captivating man when at his most honest, and an all-time favorite of mine, but his snitching on records and fake-beefs will forever tarnish his legacy for me and many others (such as yourself) who aren't overly-infatuated with the man.

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man i will reach thru this computer screen and back hand you right now....


wtf do you mean he lived comfortably? his childhood was anything but comfortable. he had to drop out of the performing arts school because his mother was on crack and he couldn't study for his finals his senior year. you know why he couldn't study for his finals? because his lights were cut off. so he dropped out of school and his mother forced him to head west to move in with one of her friends who she had helped beat a case years earlier. that friend owed her a favor. when he moved out there, she treated him like sh*t and he had to move in with other friends where he was also treated like sh*t. he had no real home. he was basically a bum. moving from house to house.
 4 years ago '04        #38
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Suge/Pac look like they were turnt the fu*k up that night because YOU KNOW they were planning on getting into some sh*t. They didnt even bother to get dressed up like everyone else even tho back in 96, the Soul Train awards still meant something.

But Don Cornelius didnt want Pac/Suge fukking up his show over some dumb chick and they KNEW they had to fall back on some respect sh*t because Don was the only black man doing a show like that on such a high level.

Really wondered what Big/Puff would've/could have done if something popped off. You already know Puff woulda bi*ched up because theres no way he was handling either Pac and definitely not Suge. The sh*t woulda been just a whole bunch of bodyguards beating the sh*t outta each other.

Imagine if this was the Source awards where not giving a fu*k was a common thing (i.e. Onyx literally busting guns during their performance)
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 cankstoochie said:

man i will reach thru this computer screen and back hand you right now....

wtf do you mean he lived comfortably? his childhood was anything but comfortable. he had to drop out of the performing arts school because his mother was on crack and he couldn't study for his finals his senior year. you know why he couldn't study for his finals? because his lights were cut off. so he dropped out of school and his mother forced him to head west to move in with one of her friends who she had helped beat a case years earlier. that friend owed her a favor. when he moved out there, she treated him like sh*t and he had to move in with other friends where he was also treated like sh*t. he had no real home. he was basically a bum. moving from house to house.


thanks for this post

these new n*ggas dont know sh*t about Pac. He went to a ton of schools while he was in NY and Baltimore was the only real place he stayed at (in school) for a while until things at home with his moms fell apart. When he made it to Marin City/The Bay, he was literally struggling to survive and even tried to sell drugs and figured out (quickly) that he wasnt a drug dealer.

Then he had to deal with getting into sh*t with the cops because he wouldnt back down and once they saw his last name, this dude had a target on his back. It didnt help that he had a big mouth either.

Lets be real, Puff was the one with the nice upbringing and went to private schools (like Dame). His father was supposedly a hustler way back when, but by then Puff and his moms were living good. Once he got into the industry, he took on this Harlem "persona" and got into bed with some real gangstas that were extorting the fukk out of him. It took YEARS for Puff to get away from being so close to that street sh*t but through the paths that he crossed with people all this time, you dont really get too far. You just distance yourself from the bullsh*t
 4 years ago '04        #40
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 Blue Smoke said:
do you remember the incident that happened at jd's b day party in sept. 95 ? puff had goons.
Puff always had goons because he (and everybody) need that type of element around them. At the same time he was being extorted and it wasnt like he was this shot caller that was pointing out people who "needed" to get merked. The people in Puff's shadows were the ones making the street decisions (like Suge's boy getting shot in ATL in 95).

You think when Henchman/Tut pulled that sh*t on Pac in NY, Puff coulda went up to them on some "guys please dont do this" sh*t? Hell no.

These dudes saw the music business as easy money and far easier than being in the streets 24/7 putting in work. They were still putting in work but when you're extorting rappers/R&B singers and getting access to parties/meetings, etc., that is an upgrade to the street sh*t. Hell even Henchman got to a point where he was flat out managing artists.
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