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 4 years ago '09        #61
thegoldenhero 3 heat pts
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 ash1990 said:
I bet I was the only Nas fan on bx that actually copped LIG.
Jay-Z fans are more loyal
I copped LIG
 4 years ago '11        #62
Retro 83 heat pts83
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 ash1990 said:
I bet I was the only Nas fan on bx that actually copped LIG.
Jay-Z fans are more loyal
Must I really take a pic?
 4 years ago '04        #63
PrisonRules 70 heat pts70
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ima go with LIG for simple fact that I can skip a few songs of MCHG. some of them joints weak.
 4 years ago '07        #64
Playa 70 heat pts70
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Women lie

Men lie

fu*k it you know the rest
 4 years ago '10        #65
Hovi Bryant 676 heat pts676
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Artisitcally and production-wise Jay-Z's album is superior.

Here's why:

Background

Nas is who I categorize as an MC who is very technical in skill (storytelling, wordplay, metaphors, rhyme pattern), but lacks subtleness at times. In other words, he's an artist and a curator at the same time. He could paint a Van Gogh, but he's explaining EVERYTHING along the way. It's in the song title, the lyrics, and even on Rap Genius now. It k!lls the replay value.

He wasn't always like this though. His song titles were much more ambiguous with Illmatic and It Was Written. You can't look at the track-list and tell me One Love is a letter to a locked up friend, or Street Dreams being the life of an aspiring kingpin.

Now? The creativity has run thin. A Queen's story is just what the title says. This is also true for Accident murders, Daughters, The Don, and Summer on Smash. You know what to expect before listening.

Also, you listen to the songs and well... he's just reiterating the song title. Here's one general taboo in art; . Nas has been a violator of this unwritten law every now and then, but most definitely on LIG.

Jay-Z is an artist who's lyrics have grown increasingly ambiguous over the years since his "retirement". Jay-Z's far from vague, but his songs can hit home through a variety of ways to a variety of listeners. This is usually the norm with pop music.

However, Jay-Z's usage of traditional rap devices separate him from the best pop writers in the industry, i.e. "Tom Ford" could be a song about fashion, or braggadocio, or a diss. It's up to the listener. Jay-Z doesn't explicitly force anything on the listener to get a point across. You have to connect the dots yourself. Most answers will ultimately make sense.

Jay-Z does have a point to shoot across in every song, but you'd either have to be a die hard fan or be a critical thinker to decode his train of thought. His frequent usage of double entendres, advanced metaphors (implications and allusions versus using similes), philosophical references cover his tracks fairly well.

His usage of these efficient writing devices compact big, complex sentences and paragraphs into short bars and verses. Jay-Z may be the most efficient Hip-Hop writer ever, given his mastery of basic literary devices.

Bar for Bar

Both Nas and Jay-Z name drop on their albums, highlighting the contrasting nature of Nas' curation of his work versus Jay-Z's efficient ambiguity.


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According to police, [Perry] was legendary for his willingness to k!ll at will- in broad daylight, up close and personal, in front of the police- it didnít matter if you were on his hit list you could be k!lled anywhere in front of anyone. There was nowhere to hide, itís alleged that Silk would lay in wait for his prey all night until he got his opportunity to strike.
Nas Ė Accident murderers

Can't play with these little n*ggas, gangsta little n*ggas
Can't hang with these little n*ggas, they k!lling, they reckless
Wish I could build with him, but will he change really
Some real k!llers
I think of Wayne Perry


Jay-Z - Tom Ford

Hands down got the best flow, sound I'm so special
Sound boy burial, this my Wayne Perry flow
Y'all know nothing about Wayne Perry though
District of Columbia, guns on your Tumblrs


Nas is attaching Wayne Perry to the theme of the song, while Jay is very clever, alluding to k!lling the beat, also noting the contradictory lifestyle of most rappers on their rise to fame. Jay-Z does in a few bars what some could write an entire song about. Nas didn't have to mention Perry at all, it's almost like a wasted line to further drive a point home.

Nas - Daughters

And I ain't tryna mess your thing up
But I just wanna see you dream up
I finally understand
It ain't easy to raise a girl as a single man


Jay-Z - Jay-Z Blue

Life changed again I was already taking off
My flight changed again
Slight change of winds
It's barely 12 noon
And my wife changed again


The contrasting nature of Nas and Jay-Z are on full display once again. Nas goes pretty hard at his daughter, while Jay-Z goes hard at himself. I think that's the stark difference between Nas and Jay, and the most ironic aspect of their critics.

Most Jay-Z detractors abhor his first person perspective of life, as it's just "bragging about x, y, and z" ... but he's giving you his train of thought on a platter with every song. I believe most people rob themselves of the experience by writing him off so quickly. Jay-Z's apparent paranoia of being a bad father reflects the actuality of Nas' song, something he could (or should) have accomplished versus blasting his daughter on wax.

Besides lyrical displays, Jay-Z's flow has evolved into something that's love or hate. This man rhymes to bass-lines, snares, high hats, it always changes up. I think it's pretty fu*kin impressive. Picasso Baby, Holy Grail, Tom Ford, La Famillia, etc, Jay's flow can change mid verse or mid song, or from just song to song. It keeps the album fresh IMO. Nas, doesn't branch out too much on LIG. Some prefer that.

I'm giving the nod to lyrics and delivery to Jay here.


Production...

Does anyone think LIG has better production than MCHG? Both albums pass the laptop speaker test, but damn MCHG k!lls the car test with flying colors.

Overall, LIG is solid, but MCHG is amazing. Spades.
 4 years ago '04        #66
Rae 
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Nas>>>> hov sh*t better than any new rapper sh*t out 0
 4 years ago '04        #67
Rae 
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O ya ^^^^ lryics over production and nas body that and thisvis from a hov fan
 4 years ago '05        #68
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I like jays album better, both are great pieces of work though
 4 years ago '05        #69
SMG 
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How long are people gonna d!ckride Nas?...
He's been in the top 5 boring rappers ever for at least 10 years now...
 07-05-2013, 12:19 AM         #70
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 SMG said:
How long are people gonna d!ckride Nas?...
He's been in the top 5 boring rappers ever for at least 10 years now...
I bet u gonna buy that Dispicable Me sound track u clown
 4 years ago '04        #71
rasheedwallace 55 heat pts55
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MGHG > LIG

easy. LIG was and is overhyped. boring to me.
 4 years ago '04        #72
rasheedwallace 55 heat pts55
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 WezLBoy Wonder said:
I bet u gonna buy that Dispicable Me sound track u clown


 4 years ago '12        #73
Mr Fujaveli 36 heat pts36
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this a serious question....but its not fair....lets let this jigga man sink in for a while...Nas winning now but it will be different

seriously?????????????
 4 years ago '11        #74
Norcal 78 heat pts78
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 ash1990 said:
I bet I was the only Nas fan on bx that actually copped LIG.
Jay-Z fans are more loyal
I copped it.
 07-05-2013, 02:58 AM         #75
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people just hate to admit that nas won
 07-05-2013, 02:59 AM         #76
Nasty Neighbor 
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 07-05-2013, 03:43 AM         #77
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Jay himself is a stan of the GOAT.
 4 years ago '09        #78
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 thegoldenhero said:
I copped LIG
 Retro said:
Must I really take a pic?
 norcal925 said:
I copped it.
I was being sarcastic saying that I'm the only loyal nas fan on bx.
You know what I meant the fans that claim their fans, the millions that copped Illmatic, It was written and StillMatic

 Hovi Bryant said:
Artisitcally and production-wise Jay-Z's album is superior.

Here's why:

Background

Nas is who I categorize as an MC who is very technical in skill (storytelling, wordplay, metaphors, rhyme pattern), but lacks subtleness at times. In other words, he's an artist and a curator at the same time. He could paint a Van Gogh, but he's explaining EVERYTHING along the way. It's in the song title, the lyrics, and even on Rap Genius now. It k!lls the replay value.

He wasn't always like this though. His song titles were much more ambiguous with Illmatic and It Was Written. You can't look at the track-list and tell me One Love is a letter to a locked up friend, or Street Dreams being the life of an aspiring kingpin.

Now? The creativity has run thin. A Queen's story is just what the title says. This is also true for Accident murders, Daughters, The Don, and Summer on Smash. You know what to expect before listening.

Also, you listen to the songs and well... he's just reiterating the song title. Here's one general taboo in art; . Nas has been a violator of this unwritten law every now and then, but most definitely on LIG.

Jay-Z is an artist who's lyrics have grown increasingly ambiguous over the years since his "retirement". Jay-Z's far from vague, but his songs can hit home through a variety of ways to a variety of listeners. This is usually the norm with pop music.

However, Jay-Z's usage of traditional rap devices separate him from the best pop writers in the industry, i.e. "Tom Ford" could be a song about fashion, or braggadocio, or a diss. It's up to the listener. Jay-Z doesn't explicitly force anything on the listener to get a point across. You have to connect the dots yourself. Most answers will ultimately make sense.

Jay-Z does have a point to shoot across in every song, but you'd either have to be a die hard fan or be a critical thinker to decode his train of thought. His frequent usage of double entendres, advanced metaphors (implications and allusions versus using similes), philosophical references cover his tracks fairly well.

His usage of these efficient writing devices compact big, complex sentences and paragraphs into short bars and verses. Jay-Z may be the most efficient Hip-Hop writer ever, given his mastery of basic literary devices.

Bar for Bar

Both Nas and Jay-Z name drop on their albums, highlighting the contrasting nature of Nas' curation of his work versus Jay-Z's efficient ambiguity.


[pic - click to view]





Nas – Accident murderers

Can't play with these little n*ggas, gangsta little n*ggas
Can't hang with these little n*ggas, they k!lling, they reckless
Wish I could build with him, but will he change really
Some real k!llers
I think of Wayne Perry


Jay-Z - Tom Ford

Hands down got the best flow, sound I'm so special
Sound boy burial, this my Wayne Perry flow
Y'all know nothing about Wayne Perry though
District of Columbia, guns on your Tumblrs


Nas is attaching Wayne Perry to the theme of the song, while Jay is very clever, alluding to k!lling the beat, also noting the contradictory lifestyle of most rappers on their rise to fame. Jay-Z does in a few bars what some could write an entire song about. Nas didn't have to mention Perry at all, it's almost like a wasted line to further drive a point home.

Nas - Daughters

And I ain't tryna mess your thing up
But I just wanna see you dream up
I finally understand
It ain't easy to raise a girl as a single man


Jay-Z - Jay-Z Blue

Life changed again I was already taking off
My flight changed again
Slight change of winds
It's barely 12 noon
And my wife changed again


The contrasting nature of Nas and Jay-Z are on full display once again. Nas goes pretty hard at his daughter, while Jay-Z goes hard at himself. I think that's the stark difference between Nas and Jay, and the most ironic aspect of their critics.

Most Jay-Z detractors abhor his first person perspective of life, as it's just "bragging about x, y, and z" ... but he's giving you his train of thought on a platter with every song. I believe most people rob themselves of the experience by writing him off so quickly. Jay-Z's apparent paranoia of being a bad father reflects the actuality of Nas' song, something he could (or should) have accomplished versus blasting his daughter on wax.

Besides lyrical displays, Jay-Z's flow has evolved into something that's love or hate. This man rhymes to bass-lines, snares, high hats, it always changes up. I think it's pretty fu*kin impressive. Picasso Baby, Holy Grail, Tom Ford, La Famillia, etc, Jay's flow can change mid verse or mid song, or from just song to song. It keeps the album fresh IMO. Nas, doesn't branch out too much on LIG. Some prefer that.

I'm giving the nod to lyrics and delivery to Jay here.


Production...

Does anyone think LIG has better production than MCHG? Both albums pass the laptop speaker test, but damn MCHG k!lls the car test with flying colors.

Overall, LIG is solid, but MCHG is amazing. Spades.


World's An Addiction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MCHG


Last edited by Ash10; 07-05-2013 at 04:00 AM..
 4 years ago '05        #79
Bea5T 137 heat pts137
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Haven't listened to MCHG yet but if THIS board of all boards thinks life is good is better...
 4 years ago '12        #80
King Jaffe Joe 23 heat pts23
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LIG so far, but both are great albums.
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