UPDATED: My Top 100 Players of All Time

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 5 years ago '05        #41
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you gotta be the only well versed basketball fan on the planet who doesn't rank pistol pete in your top 100.
 5 years ago '10        #42
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 Impeccable said:
I'm making a tone of blind statements?



Does this not flat out imply I did not go by YOUR STANDARDS?

Yes, I do know how accomplished Howard is. You put him ahead of Allen Iverson

Allen had 4 scoring titles and an MVP. That alone is better than anything Dwight accoomplished. Dwight isn't even top 5 at his position Allen IS

You puy Mutombo ahead of Elgin Baylor

You put Dwight and Mutombo ahead of Mchale... How is Parker that low? Every top 30 player has at least an MVP
Explain your logic and your argument could go somewhere with me.

Instead I get, you're wrong. With no facts, no reasoning, despite me asking over and over.

This is why your statements are blind. Just knee-jerk reactions because your favorite player was snubbed somewhere.
 5 years ago '13        #43
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No list of top 100 would be perfect but this ain't bad , I mean I got some issues but it should be a sidebar of 10 guys who didn't make it and why
 5 years ago '10        #44
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 dahabi said:
you gotta be the only well versed basketball fan on the planet who doesn't rank pistol pete in your top 100.
His WS per 48 is less than 10%. That's below average on a statistical level. Every player on my list is either above that, or have a ton of awards (something PP lacks).

He loses the popularity contest and his stats betray him.
 5 years ago '10        #45
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 pierredaire said:
No list of top 100 would be perfect but this ain't bad , I mean I got some issues but it should be a sidebar of 10 guys who didn't make it and why
This list can't be perfect. I can accept that. Players from Russell's era will be snubbed for eternity. Also many other players that existed before some other awards that we consider today.

They're the casualties of an ever evolving league. However, for any more recent players, I'll take a look.
 5 years ago '06        #46
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So we gon' act like Chris Mullin isn't top 100?
 5 years ago '13        #47
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 Hovi Bryant said:
Explain your logic and your argument could go somewhere with me.

Instead I get, you're wrong. With no facts, no reasoning, despite me asking over and over.

This is why your statements are blind. Just knee-jerk reactions because your favorite player was snubbed somewhere.
Explain my logic for what?

Allen's 4 Scoring titles? What the hell are you talking about?
 5 years ago '10        #48
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 Clyde Escope said:
So we gon' act like Chris Mullin isn't top 100?
Top 150. Sure.
 06-30-2013, 10:04 PM         #49
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all that matters is

KOBE >>> queen james

WILT >>>>>> queen james




good list tho

good mix of old school and new school so I can't really complain but Big O not in the top 10
 5 years ago '10        #50
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 Impeccable said:
Explain my logic for what?

Allen's 4 Scoring titles? What the hell are you talking about?
Allen Iverson's 4 scoring titles is impressive, but this list isn't about who scores the most points. Even then, Iverson would still have 15 players with more titles than him (not just scoring).

Back up your claims. That's it.

You act as if I'm asking for a lot. Maybe I am. I don't know.
 5 years ago '06        #51
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 Hovi Bryant said:
Top 150. Sure.
I'm a Laker fan til death.

...and to each his own...but I'd love to hear how, Beaty or Michael Cooper > Mullin i could name like 5 better players that aren't even on the list off the top of my dome
 5 years ago '10        #52
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 Clyde Escope said:
I'm a Laker fan til death.

...and to each his own...but I'd love to hear how, Beaty or Michael Cooper > Mullin i could name like 5 better players that aren't even on the list off the top of my dome
Sure.

Zelmo Beaty:

889 GP - 15 points
17% WS48 - 15 points
5x All-Star - 25 points
2x 2nd Team - 8 points
1x NBA title - 7 points

70 total points

Chris Mullin:

986 GP - 15 points
13% WS48 - 0 points
5x All-Star - 25 points
1x 1st Team - 8 points
2x 2nd Team - 8 points
1x 3rd Team - 2 points

58 total points

Michael Cooper has a lot of recognition for his defense, putting him over both of these guys. He has 99 points if you're wondering.
 5 years ago '13        #53
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 Hovi Bryant said:
Allen Iverson's 4 scoring titles is impressive, but this list isn't about who scores the most points. Even then, Iverson would still have 15 players with more titles than him (not just scoring).

Back up your claims. That's it.

You act as if I'm asking for a lot. Maybe I am. I don't know.
Back up my claims FOR WHAT? That's my point. How did I not back them up?

Allen vs Howard:
Allen has 4 scoring titles, an MVP, and carried a team to the finals and got a W on one of the best teams of all time.
Allen is also a top 5 SG of all time

Howard has a trip to the finals and 3 DPOY

Do you need me to back up why Allen is better even further?


Scoring titles are far superior to DPOY.

An MVP is better than anything Howard has accomplished.
 5 years ago '10        #54
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 Impeccable said:
Back up my claims FOR WHAT? That's my point. How did I not back them up?

Allen vs Howard:
Allen has 4 scoring titles, an MVP, and carried a team to the finals and got a W on one of the best teams of all time.
Allen is also a top 5 SG of all time

Howard has a trip to the finals and 3 DPOY

Do you need me to back up why Allen is better even further?


Scoring titles are far superior to DPOY.

An MVP is better than anything Howard has accomplished.
You say X is better than Y. Based on what? You bring the awards, stats, or whatever to the table and I will discuss it with you.

I'm not sure why this is so difficult to get across to you.

You had a decent start with Iverson. If you value points that highly, then this list just isn't for you at all whatsoever. It's not one dimensional.

I don't take in consideration who played in the Finals. Dwight Howard is ranked on his statistical dominance (win shares per 48, blocks, rebounds) and awards (DPOY, All NBA, Defense teams).

Howard has more stat titles, better stats, and more awards than Allen Iverson. Period.

I've looked at over 250 players in total. Outside of the players I've already listed, you will not find more accomplished players than Dwight Howard (without expanding your criteria to FG%, FT%, FTM, FTA and other statistics).

It's an argument I'm willing to listen to, but I'm not sure you're even capable of putting that together.
 5 years ago '12        #55
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I get that you're using stats alone to be unbiased, but if this game was just about numbers, it wouldn't be half as amazing as it really is.

Certain things like intangibles, clutch, leadership, heart, etc are hard to quantify, thus leaving statistical weight unbalanced in some areas.

Not a bad list overall though. One way I personally like to see pvp arguments is the "if you were to start a team, would you take player A or player B?" question. (i.e. I would rather start a team with Big O over your 12-15. Or The Dream over anybody except MJ, KAJ, WC, and Magic.)

I commend the effort though


But Reggie at #90 and the Chuckster at #32
 5 years ago '10        #56
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 Ez the Don said:
I get that you're using stats alone to be unbiased, but if this game was just about numbers, it wouldn't be half as amazing as it really is.

Certain things like intangibles, clutch, leadership, heart, etc are hard to quantify, thus leaving statistical weight unbalanced in some areas.

Not a bad list overall though. One way I personally like to see pvp arguments is the "if you were to start a team, would you take player A or player B?" question. (i.e. I would rather start a team with Big O over your 12-15. Or The Dream over anybody except MJ, KAJ, WC, and Magic.)

I commend the effort though


But Reggie at #90 and the Chuckster at #32
The list isn't based on stats alone. It's largely based on actual on court performance though (WS48 being a huge factor for the top players). Though the players do receive points for opinion based awards such as All-Team honors, All-Star votes and so on.

The playoffs is a huge indicator of how "clutch" a player is. Some players have a huge performance drop-off in the post-season. Dominique Wilkins would be the best example I can think of. I believe the awards and honors sort out the list pretty well.

As far as Chuck and Reggie goes... Miller is as one-dimensional as they come. Charles didn't have the hardware. That's where most players like him end up. Top 30-40. They were either victims of the Lakers, Bulls, Celtics or they suffered from a short career.
 5 years ago '09        #57
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 Hovi Bryant said:

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  1. Michael Jordan
  2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
  3. Tim Duncan
  4. Kobe Bryant
  5. Wilt Chamberlain
  6. Shaquille O'Neal
  7. Magic Johnson
  8. Bill Russell
  9. Larry Bird
  10. LeBron James
  11. Hakeem Olajuwon
  12. Kevin Garnett
  13. Bob Cousy
  14. Julius Erving
  15. Jerry West
  16. Oscar Robertson
  17. John Havlicek
  18. Moses Malone
  19. Karl Malone
  20. Bob Pettit
  21. David Robinson
  22. John Stockton
  23. Scottie Pippen
  24. Rick Barry
  25. Dirk Nowitzki
  26. Artis Gilmore
  27. Jason Kidd
  28. Dennis Rodman
  29. Dwight Howard
  30. Gary Payton
  31. George Gervin
  32. Charles Barkley
  33. Dikembe Mutombo
  34. Elgin Baylor
  35. Allen Iverson
  36. Chris Paul
  37. Dywane Wade
  38. Spencer Haywood
  39. Dennis Johnson
  40. Sam Jones
  41. Steve Nash
  42. Tom Heinsohn
  43. Bill Sharman
  44. Sidney Moncrief
  45. Patrick Ewing
  46. Alonzo Mourning
  47. Kevin McHale
  48. Elvin Hayes
  49. George Mikan
  50. Paul Pierce
  51. Billy Cunningham
  52. Willis Reed
  53. Robert Parish
  54. Isiah Thomas
  55. Joe Dumars
  56. Dan Issel
  57. Dave DeBusschere
  58. Bob McAdoo
  59. Tracy McGrady
  60. George McGinnis
  61. Hal Greer
  62. Ray Allen
  63. Tony Parker
  64. Jerry Lucas
  65. Jimmy Jones
  66. Michael Cooper
  67. Clyde Drexler
  68. Dave Cowens
  69. Chauncey Billups
  70. Vern Mikkelsen
  71. Dolph Schayes
  72. James Worthy
  73. Tiny Archibald
  74. Adrian Dantley
  75. Jo Jo White
  76. Wes Unseld
  77. Neil Johnston
  78. Connie Hawkins
  79. Dominique Wilkins
  80. Paul Westphal
  81. Larry Foust
  82. Pau Gasol
  83. Dave Bing
  84. Mitch Richmond
  85. Grant Hill
  86. Amare Stoudemire
  87. Alex English
  88. Bob Davies
  89. Reggie Miller
  90. Vince Carter
  91. Cliff Hagan
  92. Chris Webber
  93. Chet Walker
  94. Tom Sanders
  95. David Thompson
  96. Zelmo Beaty
  97. Bob Lanier
  98. Lenny Wilkens
  99. Robert Horry
  100. Bill Walton
  101. Jack Sikma

For the full point system and details, I've made a spreadsheet .
No conflict or trolling at all homie overall good list
But a few questions

Why is the Oscar Robinson behind bob cousy and garnett

Dwight howard over mutumbo
And mutumbo over Elgin Baylor?

CP3 over D wade?

No trolling but to me it seems like prime examples of where the eye test will undermine analytics
 5 years ago '11        #58
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Thought Pierce would be in the 20s or 30s
 5 years ago '10        #59
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 jaybadzil5 said:
No conflict or trolling at all homie overall good list
But a few questions

Why is the Oscar Robinson behind bob cousy and garnett

Dwight howard over mutumbo
And mutumbo over Elgin Baylor?

CP3 over D wade?

No trolling but to me it seems like prime examples of where the eye test will undermine analytics
Let's start with why you believe Oscar Robertson should be ranked above Cousy and Garnett? All three players are very accomplished. The explains why.

In short, both Cousy and Garnett have more honors and awards. Robertson would be ranked above them both if this list was based on pure statistical dominance. I'm sure no one would agree with such a list if it were to be created. LeBron James would be top 3, for example.

In regards to Chris Paul and D-Wade?

I'll break this one down.

Chris Paul

Statistical Performance

555 GP - 0 points
24% WS48 - 25 points


Awards and Honors

6x All-Star - 30 points
ROY - 10 points
3x 1st Team - 24 points
1x 2nd Team - 4 points
1x 3rd Team - 2 points
3x D 1st Team - 18 points
2x D 2nd Team - 6 points

7 Stat titles (5x SPG, 2x APG) - 35 points

Total - 154 points

Wade on the same scale?

665 GP - 0 points
19% WS48 - 15 points

9x All-Star - 45 points
3x Champion - 21 points
2x 1st Team - 16 points
3x 2nd Team - 12 points
3x 3rd Team - 3 points
3x D 2nd Team - 9 points

1 stat title - 5 points

Total - 144 points

The gap isn't large, but Wade missed a lot of games due to injury. That hurt his standing, just like a lot of players on the list.
 5 years ago '10        #60
Hovi Bryant 676 heat pts676 OP
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 DEDOS said:
dennis rodman over barkley, gary payton allen iverson, wade and patrick ewing and countless others


:osamadead

big ups to you making a list tho
Thanks btw.

Dennis Rodman has more rings than those guys combined. Not saying that's the only deciding factor, but I think all the makeup and stuff isn't helping his legacy.
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