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 3 years ago '04        #181
TizOnly1 5 heat pts
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 Hovi Bryant said:
Crazy how winning 2 titles can dilute everything negative about a career. God forbid that person is in the national spotlight.
Considering the point of the game is to WIN, and Zeke was THE GUY on a Back to Back title team, in the age of Bird/Magic, staving off Jordan for years... Yes n*gga. That sh*t matters a LOT.

Matters a lot more than some numbers without any context.
 3 years ago '10        #182
Hovi Bryant 676 heat pts676 OP
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 TizOnly1 said:
Considering the point of the game is to WIN, and Zeke was THE GUY on a Back to Back title team, in the age of Bird/Magic, staving off Jordan for years... Yes n*gga. That sh*t matters a LOT.

Matters a lot more than some numbers without any context.
Given that 8 teams have won championships in the past 25 years, winning is overrated. You'll sh*t on a player's greatness because they weren't lucky enough to be on that winning squad. The hilarity of some people's standards man, how skewed public perception is. Crazy sh*t.
 3 years ago '06        #183
yumflip 4 heat pts
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 Hovi Bryant said:
Crazy how winning 2 titles can dilute everything negative about a career. God forbid that person is in the national spotlight.
Negative about a career? We talking on or off the court. Ain't no GM or owner or player would choose Sidney MF'n Moncrief over Isiah Thomas. Not one that wants to keep a job anyway. So we taking Moncrief
Points 11,931 (15.6 ppg)
Rebounds 3,575 (4.7 rpg)
Assists 2,793 (3.6 apg)

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Zeke

Points 18,822 (19.2 ppg)
Assists 9,061 (9.3 apg)
Steals 1,861 (1.9 spg)

2 Titles. 1 Finals MVP. NCAA Championship & Tourney MOP.

This passes for basketball knowledge 'round here.
 3 years ago '06        #184
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 Hovi Bryant said:
winning is overrated.
 3 years ago '04        #185
TizOnly1 5 heat pts
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 Hovi Bryant said:
Given that 8 teams have won championships in the past 25 years, winning is overrated. You'll sh*t on a player's greatness because they weren't lucky enough to be on that winning squad. The hilarity of some people's standards man, how skewed public perception is. Crazy sh*t.
Nope!

Nobody is sh*tting on anybody's greatness.

What we're saying is that, since the point of the game is to win, and since it's obviously SO tough to push through and get a title, if you happen to do it, in the age of Bird/Magic/Jordan, you are the BIGGEST reason your team was able to do it, and you did it twice in a row (and probably woulda been 3 if not for fu*king your ankle up in a LEGENDARY Game 6 Finals performance), you provably deserve more recognition than fu*king Alonzo Mourning.

Championships aren't overrated if you are THE GUY, and THE REASON your team got one.
 3 years ago '10        #186
Hovi Bryant 676 heat pts676 OP
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 yumflip said:
Negative about a career? We talking on or off the court. Ain't no GM or owner or player would choose Sidney MF'n Moncrief over Isiah Thomas. Not one that wants to keep a job anyway. So we taking Moncrief
Points 11,931 (15.6 ppg)
Rebounds 3,575 (4.7 rpg)
Assists 2,793 (3.6 apg)

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Zeke

Points 18,822 (19.2 ppg)
Assists 9,061 (9.3 apg)
Steals 1,861 (1.9 spg)

2 Titles. 1 Finals MVP. NCAA Championship & Tourney MOP.

This passes for basketball knowledge 'round here.
Who said I wasn't?

Isiah's health wen out at the tail end of his career, and his game went along with it, even then he wasn't the same player since 1991 and onward. He was done for about 5 seasons, but still played. Definitely hurt his standing on the list.
 3 years ago '09        #187
TheG1ftedOne 4 heat pts
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Isiah Thomas at 54? Isiah is one of the best point guards of all-time. He was definitely one of the top 5 players of his era.
 3 years ago '10        #188
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 TheG1ftedOne said:
Isiah Thomas at 54? Isiah is one of the best point guards of all-time. He was definitely one of the top 5 players of his era.
Filter out the list by position. And he was definitely a top player of his era. Unfortunately he played in 2 eras.
 3 years ago '09        #189
TheG1ftedOne 4 heat pts
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 Hovi Bryant said:
Filter out the list by position. And he was definitely a top player of his era. Unfortunately he played in 2 eras.
I didn't look at the system, is this strictly stat and accomplishments based?
 3 years ago '10        #190
Hovi Bryant 676 heat pts676 OP
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 TheG1ftedOne said:
I didn't look at the system, is this strictly stat and accomplishments based?
Yes....
 3 years ago '06        #191
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 Hovi Bryant said:
Yes....
You're using stats to tell the story you want to tell. Isiah LEAD his team to 3 straight finals & won back to back. During arguably the strongest era of the NBA. '85-'86 Celtics are regarded as one of the best individual teams of all time. Held off Jordan. Beat the Showtime Lakers. Stats are only part of the story in sports. Ignoring context lessens your argument. Keep trying tho.
 3 years ago '04        #192
TizOnly1 5 heat pts
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Yeah, it's not "strictly" stat based. It's loosely based around stats, with value arbitrarily a.ssigned to accomplishments. "Accomplishments" that can be dubious to begin with. Like... A ring is a ring. But MVP, ROY, All NBA Teams... anything with voting really... that kind of stuff has other sh*t tied up into it.

And if we're gonna REALLY get into this sh*t, it's all subjective, because we quantify sh*t like scoring, rebounding and a.ssisting.. but do we have PER on here? Do we value Defensive Rating? It's all subjective.


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 3 years ago '14        #193
WizDoM 101 heat pts101
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Iverson is top 25. Magic > Jordan why? He could literally play any position. And played it better then 99% of people who only played that position. Basketball players before 65 Only played against white people so they cant be rated accurately.
 3 years ago '07        #194
Cambury 39 heat pts39
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 yumflip said:
You're using stats to tell the story you want to tell. Isiah LEAD his team to 3 straight finals & won back to back. During arguably the strongest era of the NBA. '85-'86 Celtics are regarded as one of the best individual teams of all time. Held off Jordan. Beat the Showtime Lakers. Stats are only part of the story in sports. Ignoring context lessens your argument. Keep trying tho.
He doesn't watch basketball. Yall don't know this yet. Isiah beat Magic, Bird and Jordan but isn't top 20. Isiah was as great as anyone at his peak. Noone was stopping him there aren't many players that can say that.
 3 years ago '10        #195
Daytona5000 
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How is Dwight Howard better than wade
 3 years ago '10        #196
Daytona5000 
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This is crazy wth vc doing on the list he not even the best hooper in his fam
 3 years ago '10        #197
Daytona5000 
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How is Ray Allen not better than tmac
 3 years ago '10        #198
Daytona5000 
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Oscar Robinson is better than KG
 08-08-2014, 04:02 PM         #199
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 Cambury said:
He doesn't watch basketball. Yall don't know this yet. Isiah beat Magic, Bird and Jordan but isn't top 20. Isiah was as great as anyone at his peak. Noone was stopping him there aren't many players that can say that.
Thank u isiah has a strong argument for greatest pg ever. He people better than magic did was almost as good a passer way better defensively n light years better offensively


One of the top 5 best pure scorers EVER hes one of the 5 players i wll never say anybody was better than ur right he was as good as ANYONE to ever play the game at hs peak i know i grew up watching him


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 08-08-2014, 04:06 PM         #200
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 yumflip said:
Negative about a career? We talking on or off the court. Ain't no GM or owner or player would choose Sidney MF'n Moncrief over Isiah Thomas. Not one that wants to keep a job anyway. So we taking Moncrief
Points 11,931 (15.6 ppg)
Rebounds 3,575 (4.7 rpg)
Assists 2,793 (3.6 apg)

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Zeke

Points 18,822 (19.2 ppg)
Assists 9,061 (9.3 apg)
Steals 1,861 (1.9 spg)

2 Titles. 1 Finals MVP. NCAA Championship & Tourney MOP.

This passes for basketball knowledge 'round here.
I dont even know who youre responding to but anybody to pick anyone over zeek not named bryant jordan hakeem or maybe magic is a stupid muthafu*ka and not even worth a fu*kin response
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