Bargs to NY for Novak/Camby/1st rd/2 2nds

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 4 years ago '04        #421
LordBlanco|M 50 heat pts50
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 Ant McQueen said:
Man, I was hoping the team would be kept in tact for sake of having continuity. Over the past decade and a half the Knicks locker room has been a revolving door. The front office can't keep making random acquisitions and expect to sustain success.
It was inevitable bruh.. we had the oldest roster ever. i just hope theres a bigger aquisition than Bragnani in the future. Def an upgrade over any big we had the past season not named Amare and Chandler though. We had Thomas, Sheed, & Camby. Dudes died in the end.

You right tho. My Knicks cant keep a drafted player for sh*t.


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 4 years ago '04        #422
mt fuji 17 heat pts17
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 INFAMOUS said:
is that a lot? knicks got out of novaks deal which would require giving up a 1st round pick anyway
What? You smoking too?

n*gga,how much is Bargnani getting? Matter of fact,we should have gotten a pick back for taking this n*gga!

I kid but picks are a.ssests. The Knicks have a bad habit as a franchise of not placing value on draft picks. Which is why we either trade them,have sh*tty drafts,or develop the young talent the. Trade them. Even now,Shump is trade bait and he shouldn't be.

fu*king Knicks!
 4 years ago '05        #423
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good trade for both teams.

the 1st round pick given up is the '16 pick which denver owns the rights to swap. so unless both teams suck that year (highly unlikely) it will be a pick in the 20s ie. it has little value.

bargs is clearly the best player in the trade. if he regains form and stays healthy he is a very good fit if amare continues to come off the bench. it allows melo to go back to the 3 but doesn't hurt spacing because bargs is a stretch 4.
 4 years ago '05        #424
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Someone with common sense just posted
 4 years ago '05        #425
dblockallday 
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it's a low risk/high reward trade for the knicks. the raptors got what they wanted and the knicks got a player that potentially could be very good for them. if bargs plays like trash at worst he's an expiring contract that coincides with amare/chandler/melo (if he opts in next year) so it's a nice setup to either have a ton of cap space or make a trade.

i never liked bargs' game but he's definitely better than novak and a 73 year old camby.
 4 years ago '04        #426
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 INFAMOUS said:
is that a lot? knicks got out of novaks deal which would require giving up a 1st round pick anyway
You aren't a fu*king GM dumbass, 99% of ppl that comment on players value know nothing. Novak would of be easily traded as an expring contract when you needed him too... You make it seem like 3.75m is hard to move You probably could of traded him to a contender in need of 3pt shooting for a 2nd round pick as an expiring...
 4 years ago '05        #427
ChickzNKickz 100 heat pts100
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n*ggaz in here tripping over pick...

n*ggaz trade picks every year B..

This trade doesn't make the Knicks any worse..

Bargs spreads the floor, can create his own shot and adds another scorer to take the hassle off of Melo

No he won't give you 10rpg or create a dominate low post presence but he wasn't brought here for that and it's not like Camby & Novak were doing so..
 07-01-2013, 08:28 PM         #428
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Reading through the beginning of this thread and watching Knicks fans trying to convince themselves this was a good move is quite frankly one of the funniest expereinces of my entire adult life...

Thank You God, Allah, Buddah or just the random greatness of the universe.
 4 years ago '04        #429
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 ChickzNKickz said:
n*ggaz in here tripping over pick...

n*ggaz trade picks every year B..

This trade doesn't make the Knicks any worse..

Bargs spreads the floor, can create his own shot and adds another scorer to take the hassle off of Melo

No he won't give you 10rpg or create a dominate low post presence but he wasn't brought here for that and it's not like Camby & Novak were doing so..
 4 years ago '04        #430
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You guys aren't looking at the big picture. Free agency is good if you already have pieces to build upon... What are you going to get? Love and Gasol at best in that FA period? Ok and what? Ur gonna build around them?

Picks are very valuable, you guys gotta stop rationalizing sh*t in your favor, look at the future not the current.
 07-01-2013, 08:45 PM         #431
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 Dray said:
Knick fan's looking very emotional just rambling to ramble..

Stunna is making 0 SENSE.
Welcome to every fukking day...
 4 years ago '04        #432
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 Illstreet said:
Welcome to every fukking day...
Stunna and Infamous are on troll mode 24/7, I don't ever recall them making a logical post that is relevant to anything lmao
 4 years ago '05        #433
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Its not a bad trade in terms of "value", I just don't understand the logic. Knicks throw away first round picks like it's nothing only stifling your future for minimal gain. Never understood why they do that. The Bulls are STILL eating off the first round picks from the Eddy Trade(eventually turning into Noah AND Bobcats Unprotected 2016..

With that said, I'm not understanding how we've been hearing for the past 2 seasons that Melo and Amar'e wont work because Amar'e is a perimeter oriented big that operates in Melo's space.. So what the hell do they think Bargs is? Thats why I don't get this move, you bring in yet another scoring big man, who is perimeter oriented that will work in Melo's space more so than Amar'e because Bargs will now extend as far out as Melo does sometimes(too the three point line).. It's a head scratching move and seems like a deal that was done for the sake of countering Brooklyn's move.. Scoring is Scoring I suppose but, the Knicks stay grabbing whatever piece and trying to force a puzzle to fit. It's like they have all the pieces for the wrong puzzle..


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 4 years ago '05        #434
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 Russ369 said:
You guys aren't looking at the big picture. Free agency is good if you already have pieces to build upon... What are you going to get? Love and Gasol at best in that FA period? Ok and what? Ur gonna build around them?

Picks are very valuable, you guys gotta stop rationalizing sh*t in your favor, look at the future not the current.
Shump & Melo aren't good pieces to build upon?

Wall, Cousins & George are all Restricted FA's 2014. Whose to say they don't sign the qualifying offer for 2014 and become FA's in 2015.

It's highly unlikely but it's always an "option" and this is why it's good to get under the salary cap. Not to play the Yearly game to see who is a FA in what year, but to have options..


With both Bargs & Amare off the books in the same year, it gives us financial flexibility.
 4 years ago '10        #435
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 Illstreet said:
Welcome to every fukking day...
 4 years ago '05        #436
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 ChickzNKickz said:
Shump & Melo aren't good pieces to build upon?

Wall, Cousins & George are all Restricted FA's 2014. Whose to say they don't sign the qualifying offer for 2014 and become FA's in 2015.

It's highly unlikely but it's always an "option" and this is why it's good to get under the salary cap. Not to play the Yearly game to see who is a FA in what year, but to have options..


With both Bargs & Amare off the books in the same year, it gives us financial flexibility.
throwing away picks cost you players like Shumpert on rookie contracts who would likely get the MLE right now on the open market. Throwing away those picks forces you to go into FA to build up your roster, when some of those roster slots could be taken by serviceable 2nd and 3rd year players making an impact through in house development. I feel it's why the Knicks continue to be mediocre and stuck in Salary cap hell. The core is there, Melo and Shump, throwing away picks is not building around the core.

Hopefully the Knicks don't try and act like the Nets looking to be the Yankees of the NBA, "buying their championship" but that doesn't work in basketball unless you have the leagues best player on your roster.


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 4 years ago '04        #437
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 #TheReturn said:
throwing away picks cost you players like Shumpert on rookie contracts who would likely get the MLE right now on the open market. Throwing away those picks forces you to go into FA to build up your roster, when some of those roster slots could be taken by serviceable 2nd and 3rd year players making an impact through in house development. I feel it's why the Knicks continue to be mediocre and stuck in Salary cap hell. The core is there, Melo and Shump, throwing away picks is not building around the core.

Hopefully the Knicks don't try and act like the Nets looking to be the Yankees of the NBA, "buying their championship" but that doesn't work in basketball unless you have the leagues best player on your roster.
Thank you.

Funny thing is,Shump is trade bait,and if Tim Hardaway Jr works out,he will be as well.
 4 years ago '04        #438
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 ChickzNKickz said:
Shump & Melo aren't good pieces to build upon?

Wall, Cousins & George are all Restricted FA's 2014. Whose to say they don't sign the qualifying offer for 2014 and become FA's in 2015.

It's highly unlikely but it's always an "option" and this is why it's good to get under the salary cap. Not to play the Yearly game to see who is a FA in what year, but to have options..


With both Bargs & Amare off the books in the same year, it gives us financial flexibility.
Shump isn't a building block, he's very overrated and im not impressed with his game at all. If he was included in any deal being sent to the Raptors, I wouldn't want him...

And just to add more fuel to the stupidty-fire, Knicks are apparently paying Q-Rich's contract to make the trade work

 4 years ago '06        #439
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 INFAMOUS said:
n*ggas averaged 20 a game twice already

he was a bust for a 1st overall pick, the n*gga is not trash

lmao the same dudes that used to clown us and bargnani are now defending him


a 1st round pick doe?!? damn its good to not have BC as your GM.
 4 years ago '05        #440
ChickzNKickz 100 heat pts100
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 #TheReturn said:
throwing away picks cost you players like Shumpert on rookie contracts who would likely get the MLE right now on the open market. Throwing away those picks forces you to go into FA to build up your roster, when some of those roster slots could be taken by serviceable 2nd and 3rd year players making an impact through in house development. I feel it's why the Knicks continue to be mediocre and stuck in Salary cap hell. The core is there, Melo and Shump, throwing away picks is not building around the core.

Hopefully the Knicks don't try and act like the Nets looking to be the Yankees of the NBA, "buying their championship" but that doesn't work in basketball unless you have the leagues best player on your roster.
The pick is going to be swapped by Denver anyway so I don't understand the infatuation with the pick that was given up.

The Knicks lack identity but Grunwald has done a decent job with the pieces he inherited. He's not the one that gave Amare the 100 million contract, nor was he the one that traded for Melo (not knocking the trade)

Freeing up Cap Space gives us the flexibility needed to obtain championship pieces.
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