Jay-Z - "Magna Carta Holy Grail" | Discussion Thread

most viewed right now
 244
Jeezy Sets the Record Straight With Budden and Akademiks | Everyday Struggle
182 comments
@hiphop
most viewed right now
 174
NFL The Explicit Details of Accusations Vs NFL Network Employees
54 comments
@sports
most viewed right now
 104
Video inside Jay Z's Tidal Is Running Out Of Cash & On Verge Of Bankruptcy, Lost $36..
77 comments
@hiphop
most viewed right now
 69
NBA Lonzo Ball still disrespecting Nas
64 comments
@sports

section   (0 bx goons and 1 bystanders) Share this on Twitter   Share this on Facebook
 

Props Slaps
 4 years ago '06        #3101
jj01 
space
avatar space
space
$44,946 | Props total: 4658 4658
i dont get the love for the title track

sh*t is awful, lyrics are weak and jt dominates the track and its too long.

beat is prob the only thing i like. these instrumentals are amazing tho.
 4 years ago '05        #3102
bigpinero 3 heat pts
space
avatar space
space
$5,541 | Props total: 572 572
Dope boy still smelling like cocaina!

That sh*t cray
 4 years ago '09        #3103
aziatic6 
space
avatar space
space
$325 | Props total: 0 0
damn these "hooks" are garbage

I think Jay is too comfortable he just sounds fu*kin lazy on this
 4 years ago '04        #3104
money36 2 heat pts
space
avatar space
space
$3,691 | Props total: 128 128
Raekwon must of k!lled him on that heaven track so jay cut his verse.
 4 years ago '07        #3105
TH35 103 heat pts103
space
avatar space
space
$85,775 | Props total: 14587 14587
Worked out to it and didn't skip a single track... people said his lyrics were lazy?! I don't even like him that much but this (solo) album is his best since The Black Album. 9/10.


Last edited by TH35; 07-05-2013 at 08:15 AM..
 07-05-2013, 08:08 AM         #3106
cheguevara 
space
space
space
$n/a | Props total:  
 Ghost Writer said:
Not even a legit 320 yet?
whats a 320?

i may be able to help you


im listening to the album now, will drop my thoughts later.
 4 years ago '07        #3107
Root Of Evil 56 heat pts56
space
avatar space
space
$11,914 | Props total: 573 573
safe to say the only people that dont like this album are people that cant listen to both nas and jay and the people that wanted to hate on the album before it even came out
 4 years ago '05        #3108
Philly B 41 heat pts41
space
avatar space
space
$5,570 | Props total: 38 38
 Root Of Evil said:
safe to say the only people that dont like this album are people that cant listen to both nas and jay and the people that wanted to hate on the album before it even came out
 4 years ago '05        #3109
Nickel 118 heat pts118
space
avatar space
space
$11,231 | Props total: 179 179
 Hovi Bryant said:
Since we have comparisons between this and LIG...here's my two cents littered through the forms.

Artisitcally and production-wise Jay-Z's album is superior.

Here's why:

Background

Nas is who I categorize as an MC who is very technical in skill (storytelling, wordplay, metaphors, rhyme pattern), but lacks subtleness at times. In other words, he's an artist and a curator at the same time. He could paint a Van Gogh, but he's explaining EVERYTHING along the way. It's in the song title, the lyrics, and even on Rap Genius now. It k!lls the replay value.

He wasn't always like this though. His song titles were much more ambiguous with Illmatic and It Was Written. You can't look at the track-list and tell me One Love is a letter to a locked up friend, or Street Dreams being the life of an aspiring kingpin.

Now? The creativity has run thin. A Queen's story is just what the title says. This is also true for Accident murders, Daughters, The Don, and Summer on Smash. You know what to expect before listening.

Also, you listen to the songs and well... he's just reiterating the song title. Here's one general taboo in art; . Nas has been a violator of this unwritten law every now and then, but most definitely on LIG.

Jay-Z is an artist who's lyrics have grown increasingly ambiguous over the years since his "retirement". Jay-Z's far from vague, but his songs can hit home through a variety of ways to a variety of listeners. This is usually the norm with pop music.

However, Jay-Z's usage of traditional rap devices separate him from the best pop writers in the industry, i.e. "Tom Ford" could be a song about fashion, or braggadocio, or a diss. It's up to the listener. Jay-Z doesn't explicitly force anything on the listener to get a point across. You have to connect the dots yourself. Most answers will ultimately make sense.

Jay-Z does have a point to shoot across in every song, but you'd either have to be a die hard fan or be a critical thinker to decode his train of thought. His frequent usage of double entendres, advanced metaphors (implications and allusions versus using similes), philosophical references cover his tracks fairly well.

His usage of these efficient writing devices compact big, complex sentences and paragraphs into short bars and verses. Jay-Z may be the most efficient Hip-Hop writer ever, given his mastery of basic literary devices.

Bar for Bar

Both Nas and Jay-Z name drop on their albums, highlighting the contrasting nature of Nas' curation of his work versus Jay-Z's efficient ambiguity.


[pic - click to view]





Nas – Accident murderers

Can't play with these little n*ggas, gangsta little n*ggas
Can't hang with these little n*ggas, they k!lling, they reckless
Wish I could build with him, but will he change really
Some real k!llers
I think of Wayne Perry


Jay-Z - Tom Ford

Hands down got the best flow, sound I'm so special
Sound boy burial, this my Wayne Perry flow
Y'all know nothing about Wayne Perry though
District of Columbia, guns on your Tumblrs


Nas is attaching Wayne Perry to the theme of the song, while Jay is very clever, alluding to k!lling the beat, also noting the contradictory lifestyle of most rappers on their rise to fame. Jay-Z does in a few bars what some could write an entire song about. Nas didn't have to mention Perry at all, it's almost like a wasted line to further drive a point home.

Nas - Daughters

And I ain't tryna mess your thing up
But I just wanna see you dream up
I finally understand
It ain't easy to raise a girl as a single man


Jay-Z - Jay-Z Blue

Life changed again I was already taking off
My flight changed again
Slight change of winds
It's barely 12 noon
And my wife changed again


The contrasting nature of Nas and Jay-Z are on full display once again. Nas goes pretty hard at his daughter, while Jay-Z goes hard at himself. I think that's the stark difference between Nas and Jay, and the most ironic aspect of their critics.

Most Jay-Z detractors abhor his first person perspective of life, as it's just "bragging about x, y, and z" ... but he's giving you his train of thought on a platter with every song. I believe most people rob themselves of the experience by writing him off so quickly. Jay-Z's apparent paranoia of being a bad father reflects the actuality of Nas' song, something he could (or should) have accomplished versus blasting his daughter on wax.

Besides lyrical displays, Jay-Z's flow has evolved into something that's love or hate. This man rhymes to bass-lines, snares, high hats, it always changes up. I think it's pretty fu*kin impressive. Picasso Baby, Holy Grail, Tom Ford, La Famillia, etc, Jay's flow can change mid verse or mid song, or from just song to song. It keeps the album fresh IMO. Nas, doesn't branch out too much on LIG. Some prefer that.

I'm giving the nod to lyrics and delivery to Jay here.


Production...

Does anyone think LIG has better production than MCHG? Both albums pass the laptop speaker test, but damn MCHG k!lls the car test with flying colors.

Overall, LIG is solid, but MCHG is amazing. Spades.


 Root Of Evil said:
safe to say the only people that dont like this album are people that cant listen to both nas and jay and the people that wanted to hate on the album before it even came out
too much truth
 4 years ago '04        #3110
DSOM 37 heat pts37
space
avatar space
space
$18,325 | Props total: 414 414
 Root Of Evil said:
safe to say the only people that dont like this album are people that cant listen to both nas and jay and the people that wanted to hate on the album before it even came out
u already know....

n*ggas go in knowing they down even like the n*gga but they listen anyway.

y even waste your time?


Its not like he's a new artist and your looking for him to improve and turn u into a fan now.

n*gga got 12 albums. if u aint a fan by now then get the fu*k on lol.


Last edited by DSOM; 07-05-2013 at 09:55 AM..
 4 years ago '04        #3111
Javon23 265 heat pts265
space
avatar space
space
$46,344 | Props total: 8426 8426
 Root Of Evil said:
safe to say the only people that dont like this album are people that cant listen to both nas and jay and the people that wanted to hate on the album before it even came out
Yall already called it a classic before it even came out.
Oh the hypocrisy
 4 years ago '07        #3112
Root Of Evil 56 heat pts56
space
avatar space
space
$11,914 | Props total: 573 573
 Javon23 said:
Yall already called it a classic before it even came out.
Oh the hypocrisy
yalll n*ggas DUNCE as fu*k

people say things in jest and u tattoo it on your brain

 4 years ago '08        #3113
bkid 126 heat pts126
space
avatar space
space
$9,243 | Props total: 4542 4542
Digital download and CD:
Australia - July 8, 2013
Germany - July 8, 2013
United States - July 9, 2013
United Kingdom - July 15, 2013



where them
[spoiler - click to view]

?

physical dropping in 3 days
 4 years ago '09        #3114
sgcsnc 1 heat pts
space
avatar space
space
$356 | Props total: 0 0
Tom Ford wack as fu*k

[pic - click to view]

 4 years ago '04        #3115
toonice12 134 heat pts134
space
avatar space
space
$3,285 | Props total: 1126 1126
 sgcsnc said:
Tom Ford wack as fu*k

[pic - click to view]

I don't pop molly's. I pop Tom Ford's
 4 years ago '04        #3116
killababi 31 heat pts31
space
avatar space
space
$16,551 | Props total: 2656 2656
its not amazing, its not wack, its ok.....Production not all that to me....Swear i knew what BBC would sound like before I heard it smh @ Pharrell but, ima give the album more time to grow on me.
 4 years ago '09        #3117
Vos 2 heat pts
space
avatar space
space
$903 | Props total: 0 0
now I'm wondering what happened to the song Jay recorded with Raekwon...
 4 years ago '04        #3118
VickVega 1 heat pts
space
avatar space
space
$3,739 | Props total: 114 114
Since when did all you motherfu*kers like raekwon? Album is fire. Set the party off last night.
 4 years ago '04        #3119
Young Hov 2 heat pts
space
avatar space
space
$5,473 | Props total: 3 3
ya... i think oceans is my fav song... classic hov

Mohammed Hovi
 4 years ago '08        #3120
bkid 126 heat pts126
space
avatar space
space
$9,243 | Props total: 4542 4542
 Vos said:
now I'm wondering what happened to the song Jay recorded with Raekwon...
Rae's FILA album or new Wu-Tang album
Home      
  
 

 






most viewed right now
 46
Pineapple Pwussy 🍍 😻
40 comments
21 hours ago
@thotsdimesetc
most viewed right now
 40
Dec 11 - The bubble is here: People taking out mortgages to cop bitcoins
215 comments
23 hours ago
@news
most viewed right now
 32
Image(s) inside Fake Ashanti Look WAAY BADDER Than The Real Ashanti
36 comments
21 hours ago
@thotsdimesetc
most viewed right now
 28
Whoo Kid says 50 Cent used to be out here beatin up random drug dealers
144 comments
19 hours ago
@hiphop
most viewed right now
 25
The internet reacts to people getting finessed by the mother of the viral bull..
191 comments
23 hours ago
@wild'ish
most viewed right now
 25
Guy programs old Chuck E Cheese Animatronics to perform Pop Lock and Drop It
38 comments
23 hours ago
@wild'ish
most viewed right now
 23
Image(s) inside 19 yo Becky with a phatty 🍑
85 comments
21 hours ago
@thotsdimesetc
most viewed right now
 16
male rape survivor talks about how he got raped twice
54 comments
20 hours ago
@wild'ish
back to top
register contact Follow BX @ Twitter Follow BX @ Facebook search BX privacy