Jay-Z - "Magna Carta Holy Grail" | Discussion Thread

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 07-04-2013, 04:10 PM         #2981
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Magma Carta is straight b00ty and jay stans love his a.ss...soooo
 5 years ago '04        #2982
DJ Maximum|M 51 heat pts51
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 Rico23 said:
n*ggas talking bout Jay dont have lyrics...Rap genius decoded some lines and i'm here decoding the sh*t even further.....for example:

I'm like Michael recycle, these are not 16s


From Rap Genius:


Now this is my additional 2 cents: Also..."i'm like Michael recycle" - Jay over the years has become a "Sneaker Head", very clever. This is a play on Jordan Brand(MIchael Jordan's shoe line Through Nike) and how they have a been making tons of the money over the years by "recycling" Jordan's older sneaker models AKA Retro'ing. Retros are normally is what as described as the models of Jordan's That Michael played in during his basketball career, being Models I - XIV.

"These are not 16s" - This is Jay saying that he's not Wearing the Jordan model XVI sneakers. Going back to the "Like michael recycle", Jay is further mentioning how he's like Michae; recycle " by telling you he's essential wearing one of/or have the same high regard of the older "recycled/"retro's" Jordans, which again are most loved by all "sneaker heads/collectors" . Let it be known that in the sneaker community, people label the jordan models post Michael's playing career, XV - XXVIII arent nearly as popular or held in high regards as the retro models(I - XIV).

It's not fair how above the rest Jay is...how dare you speak about lack of lyricism


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i should start to add a tag on my gif's i made this @ 3am this morning and its all over the net now
 5 years ago '09        #2983
thegoldenhero 3 heat pts
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 ballergenetics said:
Agreed. The Versus interlude is retarded too...
Yeah Versus just seems pointless...
 5 years ago '11        #2984
Kobane 163 heat pts163
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 5 years ago '07        #2985
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 thegoldenhero said:
Dope a.ss album...Anyone else feeling like he should have left off La Familia it's the only really mediocre song on the album.
Only track that felt off/weird to me was "BBC" off 1st listen. Sounds like a bonus track, but I know Nas heads would've hated that.

Maybe it'll grow though. It has potential, but that old Pharrell/Neptune style didn't really fit the rest of the album production wise.

How about the "Shocker" track though. Can't nobody tell me that they didn't look at the track list and think "Part II ft. Beyonce" wouldn't be a low point on the album. That sh*t is dope though. And usually B can be annoying.
 5 years ago '04        #2986
A.G 27 heat pts27
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My reaction going through the album today...






























































I thought it was dope until after Somewhere In America.. Then it was just spotty.

sh*t is musically like an 8/10 but lyrically a 3/10 at best.


Oh and those R&B singers on the hooks just makes me
 5 years ago '09        #2987
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 DSOM said:


THE ALBERT EINSTEIN IS TRASH

PRODIGY IS HORRIBLE

HE WASTED THOSE BEATS LOL
I'm scared to listen, I pretend he retired after HNIC 2 got released.

 5 years ago '04        #2988
DSOM 38 heat pts38
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 DJ Maximum said:
i should start to add a tag on my gif's i made this @ 3am this morning and its all over the net now
welcome to the club
 5 years ago '07        #2989
Root Of Evil 56 heat pts56
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serious question is jay the only rapper people listen to hoping his music will be bad?
 5 years ago '07        #2990
INFAMOUS 13 heat pts13
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 Darkdrone said:
Name me where I said Born Sinner is better than Magna Carta? I said in my opinion it is better you dumbass.
yo somebody come get this n*gga fam
 5 years ago '13        #2991
Taree 1 heat pts
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 Rico23 said:
Tell me how i'm reaching

i will pay pal you 20 dollars if you can prove it in 2 or more sentences
Easy n*gga. Everything you added and everything the original reviewer posted is all a.ssumption that could be made from any rappers simple a.ss lines if you're trying hard enough. That"s a fact. Unless Jay comes out and actually explains the meaning behind such a line, you can only reach for what you THINK the line means. You proved my point in your own post by having 2 totally different views of what the line is getting at, which is why these rappers get away with the lazy bars they do now...because silly fans like yourself will turn the simplest lines into to some kind of impossible riddle that only YOU "get" somehow.

But it"s all good on the $20 as yu will forever have an excuse to how you aren"t reaching here. Jay could tell you to your face that that was just a quick freestyled line that came out while recording and nothing more, and you would somehow turn that into him being some kind of natural effortless genius that doesn"t even know the extent of his own brilliance or some sh*t. I mean, if he freestyles all his verses, hiow could the amount of thought that you two just put into that line be possible during some freestyled bars?

I'll wait....


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 07-04-2013, 04:28 PM         #2992
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fu*k this sh*t was an great experince from gettin it last night comin home to blastin it hov gettin his flow onnnn
 5 years ago '04        #2993
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 ballergenetics said:
Most of the best songs (lyrically) are after Somewhere in America...
Yeah but many of those songs just flat out suck
 5 years ago '04        #2994
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 ash1990 said:
I'm scared to listen, I pretend he retired after HNIC 2 got released.

Being a former mobb deep fan like im sure u were, we know what prodigy used to be, but hearing him now is painful.
 5 years ago '11        #2995
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 Taree said:
Easy n*gga. Everything you added and everything the original reviewer posted is all a.ssumption that could be made from any rappers simple a.ss lines if you're trying hard enough. That"s a fact. Unless Jay comes out and actually explains the meaning behind such a line, you can only reach for what you THINK the line means. You proved my point in your own post by having 2 totally different views of what the line is getting at, which is why these rappers get away with the lazy bars they do now...because silly fans like yourself will turn the simplest lines into to some kind of impossible riddle that only YOU "get" somehow.

But it"s all good on the $20 as yu will forever have an excuse to how you aren"t reaching here. Jay could tell you to your face that that was just a quick freestyled line that came out while recording and nothing more, and you would somehow turn that into him being some kind of natural effortless genius that doesn"t even know the extent of his own brilliance or some sh*t. I mean, if he freestyles all his verses, hiow could the amount of thought that you two just put into that line be possible during a some freestyled bars?

I'll wait....
He doesn't freestyle his verses, he structures them in his mind instead of writing them down. He'll still sit down and think up the sh*t he bout to say. Most people that mimic the gimmick feels it frees their flow up more
 5 years ago '13        #2996
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 wjcorner said:
He doesn't freestyle his verses, he structures them in his mind instead of writing them down. He'll still sit down and think up the sh*t he bout to say. Most people that mimic the gimmick feels it frees their flow up more
"Structuring them in his head" is still considered "freestyling" here. He has said that himmself. He still just spits his quick thoughts down and if it fits, he runs with them. It"s still doesn"t make sense for such a long broken down meaning to be possible with this technique. Which is why most of his metaphors have always been mostly some quick hit of cleverness, nothing nearyl as dramatic as the breakdown of that line that dude is trying to convince himmself of. Come on now.
 5 years ago '04        #2997
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 ballergenetics said:
Heaven, Jay-Z Blue, and Nickels and Dimes "flat out suck"...? Aite, bruh...
Versus, Part 2, Beach Is Better, La Familia and BBC do suck though.

And Jay-Z Blue ain't really sh*t either.
 5 years ago '12        #2998
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this album is terrible from an originality standpoint. No lyrical content what so ever, i listened to 16 songs and the only line i remember is what i think to be kanye west saying you gon let these dudes sh*t on you?

from a 2013 hip hop standpoint this album is as 9.9/10
 5 years ago '13        #2999
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 Rico23 said:


So you tell me how i'm "reaching" just to go on to say how you a.ssume or think i would act if Jay told me that one of the ways I viewed the line is wrong because of some supposed blind stan logic..









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lol

If that's all you got from what I said, then that's on you. Whatever makes you feel better I suppose.

I was gonna buy me a quick dro sac with that easy $20 too, ah well.

It's all good.
 5 years ago '13        #3000
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 Rico23 said:
All i said was i heard something that the people who decoded the lyric on rap genius...U acting like just because i said decoded and how i thought of something they didn't automatically = me being dramatic...furthermore u go on with some douche bag elitist mind state that people who come up with what a piece of art (film, music, literature, etc) for example, rap lyrics, are silly.....




If i'm wrong please go ahead and explain...or let me guess did you not like the album? or did you
I"ve already explained, it"ll just keep going around in circles on a forum no matter how "right" or "wrong" one of us is.

That quick $20 should be mine though, I will say that. My broke a.ss could really use it for a sac right now lol

I definitely like the album, but I just don't think it's anywhere near as great as people are putting it at on here. But we all have opinions.
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