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 5 years ago '10        #1
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Xbox One engineer spills frustrations on pastebin
 

 
Can someone c/p the article? Pretty good read to see what was going on over there.

visit this link microsoft engineer on xb1 - Pastebin.com

Don't agree with some of it though. Dude thinks GameStop is the only option for used games. Also the XB1 would have been much more competitive without all of the compromises. That's where the console falls flat. Trying to cater to GameStop, the average customer, big publishers etc.

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 5 years ago '12        #2
ThePainkiller 347 heat pts347
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>The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to k!ll disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for sh*t value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.

>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)

>It's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm sh*t as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on 4chan too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted sh*t.

>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.

>Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we'd be way worse off today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam :)

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>Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like "Well played Sony, Well played". That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO fu*k US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn't put back... [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all "U TOOK R DISCS" and they hiveminded.

>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop fu*ks them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone bi*ches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.

>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF fu*kING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We're TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution... it'sa bumpy road

>Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer, you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we'll see if it works in the coming years

>Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It's the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that sh*t happens magically on some huge a.ss screen with hand / voice gestures... That's our goal.


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>Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv tv tv tv... but it's fu*king sick when you have it). Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.

>By default it's on, listening for "Xbox On". You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can't just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.

>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool sh*t when we can a.ssume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.

>Current plan is basically you're fu*ked after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh

>If the power goes out you ain't playing sh*t. I'm a.ssuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're fu*ked for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 clusterfu*k

>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.


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>The cloud capabilities is the sh*t they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute sh*t and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.

>SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV... it's that. The tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool sh*t going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It's sick. What does this matter? Now if you lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all int he same room. It's awesome.

>New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require per frame calcuations. It's pretty sweet.

>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.

This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.

>It's not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want.
 5 years ago '05        #3
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 5 years ago '12        #4
Cubs Draco 141 heat pts141
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for a n*gga that isn't getting an Xbox One, you sure do post alot of news about it.
 5 years ago '12        #5
ThePainkiller 347 heat pts347
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Damn Chevy, you took the time out to write all of that?
 5 years ago '05        #6
Nyse03 14 heat pts14
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>The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to k!ll disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for sh*t value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.

>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)
Everything he said is exactly how I feel. People are not looking at the longterm and convenience. I have a strong feeling Microsoft will get the last laugh, they are way too ahead of the game. The devs will reward them for saving their a.sses.
PS4 will just say whatever it takes to stop them for going under this go round. Even at the detriment of the industry.
 5 years ago '05        #7
Krazie 134 heat pts134
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 Austin Foyt said:
for a n*gga that isn't getting an Xbox One, you sure do post alot of news about it.
Dude is more obsessed than any of my crazy ex-girlfriends. I've never seen anything like it for a video game console, even as many fanboys as I've seen.
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 Nyse03 said:
Everything he said is exactly how I feel. People are not looking at the longterm and convenience. I have a strong feeling Microsoft will get the last laugh, they are way too ahead of the game. The devs will reward them for saving their a.sses.
PS4 will just say whatever it takes to stop them for going under this go round. Even at the detriment of the industry.
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 Nyse03 said:
Everything he said is exactly how I feel. People are not looking at the longterm and convenience. I have a strong feeling Microsoft will get the last laugh, they are way too ahead of the game. The devs will reward them for saving their a.sses.
PS4 will just say whatever it takes to stop them for going under this go round. Even at the detriment of the industry.
I've heard from numerous people that Sony literally backed out right at the end just for the PR bump. It's gonna be an interesting few months to see if they stick to their guns, if they back out, how the publishers react to both sides or if Microsoft rescinds. But it's a big clusterfu*k in the ENTIRE industry right now. You can't expect EA or Activision to release copies of Battlefield or Call of Duty on either console with different rules.

I really can't wait to see how this unfolds. It's good to see someone else around here with a head on their shoulders.
 5 years ago '08        #11
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i like his points

ill cop an xbox one later on tho
 5 years ago '12        #12
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DRM is evil!!! i can't sell my games on Ebay

I'm not always online, what if i'm stuck in a cabin in the middle of nowhere for 2weeks

The Kinect is gonna watch me fap

My consumer rights i don't own anything
 5 years ago '08        #13
Gmengfx 75 heat pts75
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see i get what he is saying but what he doesnt get


there is just something about going to the store and BUYING a physical copy..driving in your car with that sh*t ready to open up and put in..


just being able to "get it" online on your xbox is no fun..i love having a game collection..i stack them all nice and its just nice when people come over and they look at what games you got bla bla bla

i dont want all my games stored on my xbox or ps

and they are trying to say "ITS BETTER FOR US"

no motherfu*ker..its better for YOU GUYS..you guys save money by doing that..we dont..because i dont always want to buy a brand new fu*king game..
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 Gmengfx said:
see i get what he is saying but what he doesnt get


there is just something about going to the store and BUYING a physical copy..driving in your car with that sh*t ready to open up and put in..


Just being able to "get it" online on your xbox is no fun..i love having a game collection..i stack them all nice and its just nice when people come over and they look at what games you got bla bla bla

i dont want all my games stored on my xbox or ps
you can have physical boxes for the X1 games if you want people to come over and look at them.
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 Gmengfx said:
see i get what he is saying but what he doesnt get


there is just something about going to the store and BUYING a physical copy..driving in your car with that sh*t ready to open up and put in..


just being able to "get it" online on your xbox is no fun..i love having a game collection..i stack them all nice and its just nice when people come over and they look at what games you got bla bla bla

i dont want all my games stored on my xbox or ps
All retail games can be purchased at retail or online.. The same digital titles that you know are sold on XBLA or PSN. Your retail Xbox One titles are stored to your X1, but you still have the disc to trade in and whatnot. You just don't need your discs to play your game or switch games.

The difference here is that your disc-based games can be shared with 10 people within your circle at anytime digitally. They don't need your disc to access it.
 5 years ago '08        #16
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But from what it sounds like
X1 games will be significantly cheaper than P4

If that's true & Xbox can explain DRM as understood here, X1 may be salvageable.
 5 years ago '05        #17
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Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.
There is some really cool sh*t going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It's sick.
Dope.
 5 years ago '10        #18
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 Oh Finesse said:
I read the whole thing, he made some valid points. n*gga needs to act more professional though, would have been a better read.

I can see what he's trying to get at with the whole being, or trying to be like Steam thing.. if they could pull that off more power to em, I don't think it'll happen though. Although consoles and physcial games have been about status quo for how many decades now? The console gaming community as a whole seems comfortable where they're at, hence the PS4 support.

Change is cool, sometimes, but they're trying too hard to enforce change upon people.. that's where the issue lies.



I like that quote btw
Microsoft should have went all digital like the rumors suggested.

It would have been an easier pill to swallow.

But I'm sure higher ups and shareholders squashed that idea. They don't want to lose a presence in stores like GameStop.

I was expecting lower game prices from the start given that games are licenses and not the 'status-quo'. It is what it is though. I expect changes down the road for obvious reasons.
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If the end goal for Microsoft is a Steam-like business model, then I applaud it and I hope they achieve it, I love Steam. The problem is that people want to pay for things and get immediate results, alot of people don't care about or just ignore the future of gaming, they wanna pay money for games and consoles that give them what they want now.

If a Steam future is what MS are after then it's gonna require digital only, and that isn't gonna happen for years, so right now it just seems like MS are draconian because the advantages of their Xbox One policies need to reach their potential. If they would have come out and explained that what they're doing can be good for the industry then this backlash would be alot less severe.


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all of the sh*t he said makes a lot of sense to me, but i'm somebody who was gonna get both eventually anyway.
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