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DF: Xbox One's graphics and memory are slower than PS4
 

 
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In the presentation itself, Microsoft talked in broad strokes about the internals of the box - eight CPU cores, 8GB of (non-descript) RAM, multi-channel 802.11n WiFi, and a Blu-ray drive. But the only new information we had that hadn't previously leaked was the inclusion of a 500GB hard drive and a five billion transistor count for the main processor. Gaming specs like the CPU clock-speed, the type of RAM, the make-up of the graphics core - all the most controversial elements of the leaked information, in other words - were ignored. The cynical may suggest that highlighting this would do Xbox One no favours in comparison to the PlayStation 4, while the Microsoft faithful could perhaps hold out hope that the more disappointing elements of the previous leaks were outright wrong.
A follow-up architecture panel hosted by Microsoft's Larry Hyrb soon put paid to the latter, more optimistic appraisal of the situation. Very early on it was established that ESRAM is indeed incorporated into the Xbox One design - essentially a large, very fast cache of embedded memory attached to the GPU and CPU that helps to make up the bandwidth deficit inherent in using slower memory. So even without direct confirmation, we now knew that the 8GB of memory in Xbox One is indeed DDR3 as opposed to the bandwidth-rich GDDR5 found in the PlayStation 4 (and Wired's internal photography of the One confirms 2133MHz DDR3 Micron modules). Xbox One may well have a latency advantage over PS4 and power consumption will probably be lower, but GPU bandwidth - a key element in graphics performance - is indeed more limited on the Microsoft hardware.
In terms of the GPU hardware, hard information was difficult to come by, but one of the engineers did let slip with a significant stat - 768 operations per clock. We know that both Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are based on Radeon GCN architecture and we also know that each compute unit is capable of 64 operations per clock. So, again through a process of extrapolation from the drip-feed of hard facts, the make-up of the One's GPU is confirmed - 12 compute units each capable of 64 ops/clock gives us the 768 total revealed by Microsoft and thus, by extension, the 1.2 teraflop graphics core. So that's another tick on the Durango leaked spec that has been transposed across to the final Xbox One architecture and the proof we need that PlayStation 4's 18 CU graphics core has 50 per cent more raw power than the GPU in the new Microsoft console. Now, bearing in mind that we fully expect PlayStation 4 and Xbox One to launch at similar price-points, how did this disparity come about?
visit this link http://www.eurogamer.net/ .. lysis-xbox-one

What if the new Xbox is $299 and the PS4 is $399? That would be huge.

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 5 years ago '09        #2
WILLIAM 49 heat pts49
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Who cares both systems will look the same
 5 years ago '07        #3
I bleed GREEN 34 heat pts34
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$299?
 5 years ago '10        #4
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 B4ST4RD! said:
Who cares both systems will look the same
I care. You don't want the best performance for your dollar?

PS3 and 360 games look largely the same, but the level of performance is significantly better on the Xbox.

I'm sure things will be the same next gen in this order

PC >>> PS4 >> XB1

Anyways, AnandTech reports the same.

Microsoft opted for embedded SRAM + DDR3, while Sony went for a very fast GDDR5 memory interface. Sony’s approach (especially when combined with a beefier GPU) is exactly what you’d build if you wanted to give game developers the fastest hardware. Microsoft’s approach on the other hand looks a little more broad. The Xbox One still gives game developers a significant performance boost over the previous generation, but also attempts to widen the audience for the console. It’s a risky strategy for sure, especially given the similarities in the underlying architectures between the Xbox One and PS4. If the market for high-end game consoles has already hit its peak, then Microsoft’s approach is likely the right one from a business standpoint. If the market for dedicated high-end game consoles hasn’t peaked however, Microsoft will have to rely even more on the Kinect experience, TV integration and its exclusive franchises to compete.

 5 years ago '10        #5
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 Flawless Image said:
$299?
Sony may be in trouble if the XB1 is $299.

Honestly I hope it is because these specs are underwhelming and the price to value ratio would make it a better bargin than the PS4.
 5 years ago '09        #6
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Well I'm only going to get one of these fu*ker,probably the ps4
 5 years ago '08        #7
The N 469 heat pts469
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Sony went Gaming centric so of course they made sure to have this edge
That GDDR RAM reveal was a shock to the entire dev community, most will probably
Dev their sh*t focus on Ps4, you know these devs like this stuff its like crack to them.

I think PS4 will have alot of none gaming sh*t with their wannabe kinect sh*t to wait until E3
But they made sure that gaming experience was the heart of the console, MS on that
We want it all your TV is ours sh*t, we turn it on for ya, no need to swith inputs just watch tv on the xbox.


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 5 years ago '12        #8
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You won't be able to tell the difference, so why does it matter?
 5 years ago '12        #9
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 The N said:
But they made sure that gaming experience was the heart of the console, MS on that
We want it all your TV is ours sh*t, we turn it on for ya, no need to swith inputs just watch tv on the xbox.
Dumb n*ggas really think that the Xbox won't have games. When they said they have 15 exclusives lined up. Sony only talked about k!llzone and that racing game.
 5 years ago '06        #10
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ps3 was faster than the 360.....how did that turn out :jayhah:
 5 years ago '10        #11
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 Austin Foyt said:
You won't be able to tell the difference, so why does it matter?
You can tell the difference this generation. This will more than likely be the same next gen. Especially with this large of a performance gap.
 5 years ago '10        #12
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 chevyrida6 said:
ps3 was faster than the 360.....how did that turn out :jayhah:
The PS3 had a faster CPU and the 360 implemented memory better and had a significantly better GPU.

So this is completely different.
 5 years ago '08        #13
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 Hovi Bryant said:
Sony may be in trouble if the XB1 is $299.

Honestly I hope it is because these specs are underwhelming and the price to value ratio would make it a better bargin than the PS4.
I see a price war after 1 year,
I expect price drop at E3
2014, they both however will sell these machines 399.99
Then it goes down to 349.99 the year after that 299.99
All to increase the console base drasticly in order for the big
Software sales of after Launch titles.
 5 years ago '05        #14
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 Austin Foyt said:
You won't be able to tell the difference, so why does it matter?
Not to mention it looks like most games will be developed on the One first.
 5 years ago '10        #15
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 Y.G. said:
Not to mention it looks like most games will be developed on the One first.
According to what?

Most games will probably be developed on the PC first. Then ported over to consoles. The CPU architecture for all platforms are identical.
 5 years ago '04        #16
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 B4ST4RD! said:
Who cares both systems will look the same
/thread
 5 years ago '06        #17
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 Hovi Bryant said:
According to what?

Most games will probably be developed on the PC first. Then ported over to consoles. The CPU architecture for all platforms are identical.
gfoh with the pc talk
 5 years ago '10        #18
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 The N said:
I see a price war after 1 year,
I expect price drop at E3
2014, they both however will sell these machines 399.99
Then it goes down to 349.99 the year after that 299.99
All to increase the console base drasticly in order for the big
Software sales of after Launch titles.
Doubt it. I expect the PS4 to launch around $399. The Xbox One has to be priced similar. The console has no hardware advantage, probably little to no software advantage, and they're pushing out this whole media center philosophy onto us.

There's too many risks for MS to not have this priced at $399 at launch if not lower. The specs just don't match up.
 5 years ago '10        #19
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 chevyrida6 said:
gfoh with the pc talk
Sorry, I can't help but speak the truth. Go to the other threads if you want that sheep talk.
 5 years ago '10        #20
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 King Kusanagi said:
/thread
Most likely isn't true, so why would I close the thread?
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