Scarface Says "Hip Hop Is White Now," Blames Record Executives

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 04-25-2013, 09:26 PM         #281
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lol scarface hella salty...
 5 years ago '10        #282
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 Lance5 said:
Eminem, Kendrick, 50 cent, they all waited a few years before signing to a BIG label. labels want artists with buzz but they want artists that have potential.

Why is 50 struggling to release another album ? because interscope doesn't care about him anymore. He has been releasing the same sh*t for more than 10 years now. It's the same for Game, they are both playing the safe card.


If an Artist like Eminem can sell millions of copies every time he releases an album, it's because the album is VERY different than the previous one, Kendrick didn't release a second Section 80, Kanye West's albums are all different;...

Why don't we want to sign artists like big krit ? he released a good mixtape, a second mixtape, a third good mxitape... well it's cool, but it's the same sh*t again and again, we want something different, we don't sign an artist for just 1 album and we don't want him to release live from the underground 1-2-3 and 4.
I dont disagree with any points you made in this post... I honestly dont see where you disagreed with me either
 5 years ago '06        #283
vinceisallin 11 heat pts11
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How the fu*k is everyone so pissed?

The things I seen in this thread make me have no hope in this country's future.

You dumb fu*ks let race in get in the way of a fu*king Internet thread!

White people made the rappers sell their soul. Made them turn to mainstream, made em rich. Ruining it for the real ones? How the fu*k did all the blame go on the record company?

The rappers want money. They don't have to take advice, it's not like there isn't another company, plenty start their own. More people would be Indy if people bought rap albums.

Artist now days are watered down, and mostly garbage. These rappers like Kanye and Wayne dressing like skaters and European f*ggots don't help

This is why rap isn't serious anymore.

Dre sells headphones instead of songs- cuz the money

Ice cube is an actor now, played In kids movies- cuz the money

Tupac and big, big l got murdered

And most importantly it used to be another thing poor people enjoyed. Rich people couldn't relate to the culture, and hated it cuz they didn't care, people were just happy to make it and stay real. Didn't matter if you did 50k or 500k, your rep is what really mattered
 5 years ago '06        #284
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 Lance5 said:
Eminem, Kendrick, 50 cent, they all waited a few years before signing to a BIG label. labels want artists with buzz but they want artists that have potential, they want artists that can move a crowd.

Why is 50 struggling to release another album ? because interscope doesn't care about him anymore. He has been releasing the same sh*t for more than 10 years now. It's the same for Game, ppl want something "different" from them but both of them are playing the same card, most of their albums sound the same tbh.

If an Artist like Eminem can sell millions of copies every time he releases an album, it's because the album is VERY different than the previous one, Kendrick didn't release a second Section 80, Kanye West's albums are all different;...

Why don't we want to sign artists like big krit ? he released a good mixtape, a second mixtape, a third good mixtape... well it's cool, but it's the same sh*t again and again, we want something different, we don't sign an artist for just 1 album and we don't want him to release live from the underground 1-2-3 and 4.
Agree with all especially the 50 sh*t. 50 cent is fu*king garbage, and lost to much steem in his Kanye/Ross/ mayweather bs

If he could produce numbers, the label would be all over him, but he's washed up. He's an attention wh0ore, always looking for angles to stay relavent expect rap


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 5 years ago '06        #285
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 Account001 said:
And strictly from a multi-billion dollar business stand point....

Your job is to be proactive and guess/create/find what the market will do in the next month/quarter/year/decade depending on the market. This "record labels promote what is popular" would mean the companies are reactionary. You cant run a successful business from a reactionary stand point. It will fail.
People are on here bi*ching on how major labels help move artists to the next level

The can try to produce the flavor of the week right?

You know what happens when the next dude in skinny jeans doing a new dance? People like that stupid sh*t as a whole. People want to feel apart

Then the label says hey lets try this! Then It happens again and again

The blame can be divided in threes. The artist, label, and fans.

The artist is hard to blame. It's his craft, but he's trying to make the most doing what he loves, no harm tweaking his style

The fans. Not the ones buying the bullsh*t, the ones downloading the real sh*t. Buying is voting, and this is the primary elections all day

Now the label. His goal is to make money. They could make you a millionaire, or beat you by a pen while you under contract. It's hard to make it today, but alot easier with their help. You could start your own sh*t, or go Indy, but that's the hard way so cats forget about it

The sh*t america complains about
 5 years ago '09        #286
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gotta agree with face...

thats why you have guys like mac miller rapper about jerking off too much and what not.

most of the sh*t is garbage
 5 years ago '12        #287
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Going mainstream is the best worst thing that happened to hip hop
 5 years ago '06        #288
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 Lance5 said:
I work for a label and I can tell you one thing, Labels push what is popular and that's all, Kendrick is the perfect example, he was good so he was popular and interscope is trying to make him even more popular. Labels just push what is popular

Jay-z wanted to sign kendrick when he was 16, kendrick used to work with a lot of ppl when he was a kid.
He was also mentioned as one of the most talented new mc from the west coast and someone from XXL staff asked Dr Dre to check his songs but Interscope didn't do anything for Kendrick.
TDE had to do the whole promotion but gkmc was a great success because the album was fantastic.

Interscope realized that kendrick had a lot potential on the mainstream scene and they decided to support him with a new world tour (the 2nd or 3rd tour ?)

Music is about being able to move a crowd, ppl have to relate to your music, and if your good, then you'll be pushed.

Do we want to sign the next Krit ? No... he is a good artist but he hasn't evolved yet, being an MC is about being able to move a crowd! Tupac has a simple rhyme structure but he can move a crowd better than everybody!!! Canibus can say a million different syllables about sh*t NOBODY cares about. And moves nobody.

We want to sign the next Eminem, the next Kendrick Lamar, the next Tupac, but we don't want to sign the next big KRIT because he is still playing the safe card and he releases the same thing again and again. He isn't a sure value right now.
I would agree 100% w/you, but other music forms show that to be different. AC/DC basically released the same album, damn near song for song for their whole career. Reached legendary status because they mastered their sound & catered to their audience's sensibilities. Frankie Beverly & Maze has a signature sound. Even though they aren't "mainstream" artists, their audience remained loyal & they delivered what was expected. By not investing in artists w/long term potential or helping talented artists cultivate their audience, you're catering to the sensibilities of what's "popular". That my friend is chasing. The fact that Hip Hop artists aren't developed by the labels, speaks to how the ART is viewed. Completely disposable. That is where labels control the destiny of the music. Artists basically do their own development. Labels are looking for finished products in hip hop. Look at Ne-yo & Dream. Hit making machines that DEVELOPED in the industry behind the scenes. They were allowed to grow before being introduced as artists. Labels, just like a lot of artist look at hip hop as a hustle. There is a overwhelming lack of respect for the art. And that has by proxy made it's way to the audience. Labels look at the art as disposable. Artists look to make a quick buck. And the audience doesn't invest time, money, and attention on the art or artists. All because they know "They'll have a new n*gga next year".......
 5 years ago '05        #289
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Eminem waited a few years to sign to a major label or the n*gga just never got signed until Dre signed him? He waited? No he didn't.
 5 years ago '05        #290
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Frankly, most of the blame falls on you muthafu*kas. When true real music drops in stores, you choose to download instead and not buy. I fall in the minority. I still buy music. Real music. Why not hurt these wack labels and artists and hit them where it hurts most, buy music like scarface and others alike, and ignore that bullsh*t the labels put out. Hurt their pockets by not buying that crap.
 5 years ago '12        #291
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 yumflip said:
Hip hop is in a weird space. The audience doesn't reflect the heart of the culture. Make no mistake about it, hip hop is an urban Black male art form at it's heart. From it's inception, it's sole purpose was to give a cultural & artistic voice to the Black male perspective. Nothing else. Once it started to sell outside of it's intended demographic, it was quickly co-opted. And just like every other form of music created by Black Americans (rock/blues/jazz being the most notable), it as been slowly tailored to appeal to a larger, i.e. White audience. But the core audience & artists have allowed the music to go that way. Once "gangsta rap" found a voice, the audience went head first into it. The lesser talented artists figured out very quickly that the peripheral audience will gravitate towards the aesthetics of "gangsta rap" and not towards the music that spoke to the issues that "gangsta rap" was birthed from. As "gangsta rap" gained a stronger foothold on the culture as a whole, a door was opened for the negative aspects of hip hop to prosper. As they prospered, it became evident that FINANCIALLY they were more solvent that their positive counterparts. At the end of the day it is first and foremost a business. As sad as it is, the days of hip hop giving a Black American male perspective are rolling towards extinction. And once it does, I'll stick to 80's/90's hip hop & soul music.
 yumflip said:
I would agree 100% w/you, but other music forms show that to be different. AC/DC basically released the same album, damn near song for song for their whole career. Reached legendary status because they mastered their sound & catered to their audience's sensibilities. Frankie Beverly & Maze has a signature sound. Even though they aren't "mainstream" artists, their audience remained loyal & they delivered what was expected. By not investing in artists w/long term potential or helping talented artists cultivate their audience, you're catering to the sensibilities of what's "popular". That my friend is chasing. The fact that Hip Hop artists aren't developed by the labels, speaks to how the ART is viewed. Completely disposable. That is where labels control the destiny of the music. Artists basically do their own development. Labels are looking for finished products in hip hop. Look at Ne-yo & Dream. Hit making machines that DEVELOPED in the industry behind the scenes. They were allowed to grow before being introduced as artists. Labels, just like a lot of artist look at hip hop as a hustle. There is a overwhelming lack of respect for the art. And that has by proxy made it's way to the audience. Labels look at the art as disposable. Artists look to make a quick buck. And the audience doesn't invest time, money, and attention on the art or artists. All because they know "They'll have a new n*gga next year".......
 5 years ago '12        #292
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But these trash a.ss artists are black... So...?
 5 years ago '05        #293
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 Account001 said:
Dodging the fu*k outta them questions huh.....

oh, now you going to excuse yourself from the convo....

Take this L or ans the questions
He dont hear me tho...
 5 years ago '11        #294
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Thats what happens when uneducated individuals don't find thier own lane, they go and take a handout from a jewish corporation and get fu*ked in the a.ss. Hate to say it but the moment the world accepted them heritage stealing european wanna be jews it was a wrap.
 5 years ago '10        #295
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In here seeing that cop out answer

"well black people are only 13% of the population in the US, so we can't buy as many albums"

Not buying it..

We come damn close to matching white people in just about every negative statistic (like Government a.ssistance, incarceration for dumb sh*t, violent crimes)

Why can't we match them on something thats actually positive and will benefit us, like supporting our own.. Why we depending on white people to keep this genre alive financially?

 5 years ago '05        #296
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 vinceisallin said:
Did you just compare Kendrick to keef? I'm wondering what the topic was again?!?

Only point to be made about there sells should be skill, nothing to debunk. Kendrick is just good, keef is a retard 15 year old, and one hit wonder
And thats the scary sh*t, Keef dont even need majority white fans to exist. But guess who does?

Put both Keef and Kendrick in the same equation...now remove white people from the equation.

Who has the better chance at surviving during this day and age? Who stopped their album in the middle of a listening party, packed up and left cause they felt no one was listening? Not saying that was an all black crowd, but do you honestly think thats happening at a Chief Keef listening party?

If white people packed up and left today all these lyrical Lupes, Kendricks, Nas, Talibs, Wu Tangs, Sean Ps, etc would be in fu*king trouble. Hell Steve Rifkind said it himself, once he saw a whiteboy skateboarder ride past him rappin Wu Tang lyrics, he knew it was time to sign and let Rza do whatever the fu*k he wanted to do. Look it up for yourself.
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 5 years ago '07        #298
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real sh*t from a real OG
 5 years ago '06        #299
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 Bobby's World said:
And thats the scary sh*t, Keef dont even need majority white fans to exist. But guess who does?

Put both Keef and Kendrick in the same equation...now remove white people from the equation.

Who has the better chance at surviving during this day and age? Who stopped their album in the middle of a listening party, packed up and left cause they felt no one was listening? Not saying that was an all black crowd, but do you honestly think thats happening at a Chief Keef listening party?

If white people packed up and left today all these lyrical Lupes, Kendricks, Nas, Talibs, Wu Tangs, Sean Ps, etc would be in fu*king trouble. Hell Steve Rifkind said it himself, once he saw a whiteboy skateboarder ride past him rappin Wu Tang lyrics, he knew it was time to sign and let Rza do whatever the fu*k he wanted to do. Look it up for yourself.
Wow... The fact that you like chief keef more than Kendrick..... That's that sh*t I don't like

I don't think a chief queef listening party is public, prolly just all his homies in a living room
 5 years ago '12        #300
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lol..
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