Scarface Says "Hip Hop Is White Now," Blames Record Executives

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 5 years ago '05        #261
Bobby's World 9 heat pts
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 SeanP said:
"Pretty soon hip-hop won't be so nice
No Ice Cube, just Vanilla Ice
And you will sit and scream and cuss
But there's no one ta blame... but US..."

Ice Cube - US [1991]

Powerful post. You got the propz now mayne...
 5 years ago '06        #262
vinceisallin 11 heat pts11
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 mR ReZiW said:
Rap stays with negative messages, glorifying gang culture and the prison industry, drug, alcohol industry makes a k!lling. Thats just a tip of the iceberg of the factions that profit from the negative messages in rap

Black people spend the most in the economy, mostly due to subliminal messages programmed into them.

Your post is naive
Black people spend the most huh? Bc of subliminal messages? Do you always wear a tin foil hat?
 5 years ago '04        #263
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 ash1990 said:
Interscope gave Kendrick Lamar that push, enough said
Before HE was major, Section 80 couldn't sell more than 30k
Did he change his style up? Did he go the Lil Wayne route? Not at all. You're proving my point.

He was dope from day 1, he appealed to fans, he got signed and pushed and now he's a huge success and everyone wants him on their songs.

So no, you don't have to be Chief Keef to get signed. You don't have to compromise nor stifle your art.
 5 years ago '05        #264
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 RYLNYC said:
Did he change his style up? Did he go the Lil Wayne route? Not at all. You're proving my point.

He was dope from day 1, he appealed to fans, he got signed and pushed and now he's a huge success and everyone wants him on their songs.

So no, you don't have to be Chief Keef to get signed. You don't have to compromise nor stifle your art.
Please answer this

Out of both artist Kendrick and Keef who do you think has the largest white fan base?

Out of both artist Kendrick and Keef, who had the most successful selling debut?

And this thread is about what again?
 04-25-2013, 07:40 PM         #265
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 cankstoochie said:
racist
Is what you are when you call white people out on their bullsh*t.


The culture is white though. The best female artist is a fu*king joke and Eminem is in the top 5 when the only reason people too notice was because he was white.

Also.... Its funny how people will say rap is negative and then when someone like Macklemore comes along he's like the Messiah..


Same sh*t happened to Rock N Roll. The average black kid has no idea black folks made it.
 5 years ago '09        #266
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 RYLNYC said:
Did he change his style up? Did he go the Lil Wayne route? Not at all. You're proving my point.

He was dope from day 1, he appealed to fans, he got signed and pushed and now he's a huge success and everyone wants him on their songs.

So no, you don't have to be Chief Keef to get signed. You don't have to compromise nor stifle your art.
Cheif Keef didn't have Dr.dre cosign,


Even Obie Trice debut album went Platinum

 04-25-2013, 07:53 PM         #267
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 vinceisallin said:
Black people spend the most huh? Bc of subliminal messages? Do you always wear a tin foil hat?
A Nielsen study conducted earlier this year determined that Black people have the strongest spending power of any other race in America. Blacks spend enough to be the 16th largest country in the world.

that subliminal messaging is called advertising

im out.... w/ my tinfoil hat
 5 years ago '05        #268
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 mR ReZiW said:
A Nielsen study conducted earlier this year determined that Black people have the strongest spending power of any other race in America. Blacks spend enough to be the 16th largest country in the world.

that subliminal messaging is called advertising

im out.... w/ my tinfoil hat
They just dont spend as much money on music as white people. Lol!
 04-25-2013, 08:07 PM         #269
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whites are the devil

im convinced after reading page 1
 5 years ago '06        #270
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 Bobby's World said:
Please answer this

Out of both artist Kendrick and Keef who do you think has the largest white fan base?

Out of both artist Kendrick and Keef, who had the most successful selling debut?

And this thread is about what again?
Did you just compare Kendrick to keef? I'm wondering what the topic was again?!?

Only point to be made about there sells should be skill, nothing to debunk. Kendrick is just good, keef is a retard 15 year old, and one hit wonder
 5 years ago '06        #271
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Music has become sh*t in alot of genres, still plenty of good music.
 5 years ago '11        #272
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Beautiful
 5 years ago '10        #273
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 Root Of Evil said:
his album was better than krits

i didnt say he was a better rapper

only rookie with a better debut was kendrick

Nah I'm gonna have to disagree. LFTU was damn good, very good.

 RYLNYC said:
You've called everyone in this thread who disagrees with you a "lame a.ss square." It's a little too late to hop on the high horse. Keep cookin' though, I see you've put a lot of thought into your argument(s).

I feel like that's a whoooooole other story and I don't have the strength to type it all out My point was folks are pointing fingers at the wrong people.

White/Jewish execs are far from the most innocent people in hip hop (or in the world), but you can't blame them for absolutely everything.
fu*k you jack lol I call em how I see em I like to strike nerves when real topics arise. lol Btw my seafood dinner was a success
Now I can agree with the last part of your post. I don't blame them when artists are selling themselves short and dumbing their music down while consumers are bootlegging @ an all time high. No, they are soley not to blame.

 yumflip said:
Hip hop is in a weird space. The audience doesn't reflect the heart of the culture. Make no mistake about it, hip hop is an urban Black male art form at it's heart. From it's inception, it's sole purpose was to give a cultural & artistic voice to the Black male perspective. Nothing else. Once it started to sell outside of it's intended demographic, it was quickly co-opted. And just like every other form of music created by Black Americans (rock/blues/jazz being the most notable), it as been slowly tailored to appeal to a larger, i.e. White audience. But the core audience & artists have allowed the music to go that way. Once "gangsta rap" found a voice, the audience went head first into it. The lesser talented artists figured out very quickly that the peripheral audience will gravitate towards the aesthetics of "gangsta rap" and not towards the music that spoke to the issues that "gangsta rap" was birthed from. As "gangsta rap" gained a stronger foothold on the culture as a whole, a door was opened for the negative aspects of hip hop to prosper. As they prospered, it became evident that FINANCIALLY they were more solvent that their positive counterparts. At the end of the day it is first and foremost a business. As sad as it is, the days of hip hop giving a Black American male perspective are rolling towards extinction. And once it does, I'll stick to 80's/90's hip hop & soul music.
Way too deep way too real for Boxden.


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 5 years ago '04        #274
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 Bobby's World said:
Please answer this

Out of both artist Kendrick and Keef who do you think has the largest white fan base?

Out of both artist Kendrick and Keef, who had the most successful selling debut?

And this thread is about what again?
They both have a large white fan base though. I'm sorry, what's your point? That white people in general control what sells now?

 ash1990 said:
Cheif Keef didn't have Dr.dre cosign,


Even Obie Trice debut album went Platinum

Why did Dre cosign K Dot though? Because he was dope to begin with.

We're going in circles here and I dunno what else to say to make my point clearer.

Y'all have a good night, fellas. A pleasure having a civil conversation with y'all.
 5 years ago '05        #275
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Excellent thread.
 5 years ago '06        #276
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 RYLNYC said:
They both have a large white fan base though. I'm sorry, what's your point? That white people in general control what sells now?



Why did Dre cosign K Dot though? Because he was dope to begin with.

We're going in circles here and I dunno what else to say to make my point clearer.

Y'all have a good night, fellas. A pleasure having a civil conversation with y'all.
Did you see keefs numbers? He doesn't even have a following lol, not even big enough to put people in catagories
 04-25-2013, 09:16 PM         #277
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Black people get so sensitive when race is discussed with Hip Hop yet who buys albums?....You can't complain about influence other than that dollar in a Capitalist society. All that other talk is for the birds. White cats and women support whoever they like so music will naturally cater to them.
 5 years ago '10        #278
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 RYLNYC said:
They both have a large white fan base though. I'm sorry, what's your point? That white people in general control what sells now?



Why did Dre cosign K Dot though? Because he was dope to begin with.

We're going in circles here and I dunno what else to say to make my point clearer.

Y'all have a good night, fellas. A pleasure having a civil conversation with y'all.
Dodging the fu*k outta them questions huh.....

oh, now you going to excuse yourself from the convo....

Take this L or ans the questions
 5 years ago '10        #279
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And strictly from a multi-billion dollar business stand point....

Your job is to be proactive and guess/create/find what the market will do in the next month/quarter/year/decade depending on the market. This "record labels promote what is popular" would mean the companies are reactionary. You cant run a successful business from a reactionary stand point. It will fail.
 5 years ago '06        #280
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Scarface is right... Hell.... Nas said the same thing too!



[video - click to view]



I'm waiting for that Clark Kent & Scarface EP to be made.
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