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 5 years ago '05        #41
YARKONE 4 heat pts
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america never recovered from the crack epidemic... all scared of your neighbors and sh*t. Maybee gangh members have the connect to buy high powered riffle... But the loner nut who's going coocoo might not and a background might just save lives. I dont understand how law abiding citizens can go against background checks.
 5 years ago '04        #42
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 Dos-effect said:
Yes but you'd be a bit naive to not believe that all this stuff is not in a federal database
It's not. It's at the state level.

 Mr AirRic said:
1) don't compare knives to guns. im much more scared of a crazy person running around with a gun than a knife
2) the stats i posted were strictly on mass murders committed by guns (no suicides, etc). and those facts are that the majority of those mass murders are caused by guns, acquired legally, and by people with mental conditions that a background check would've kept them from buying the gun (or at least wouldve made it more difficult for them)
And I'm for including mental illness history on a background check. I don't think anyone taking any sort of psychoactive drugs should be allowed to get a gun.

 Kadillac87 said:
Even if it's not in a federal database, I guess he's naive enough to think the government cant easily access them through a subpoena.

Ever heard of HIPAA? And yes a subpoena can get them access. You think they're going to subpoena every person who tries to get a gun?

I'm naive enough to think some people on this board will actually have a mature discussion. Even if I've been proven wrong time and time before.
 5 years ago '07        #43
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 hockeythug said:
Not surprised. Nothing gets done in this country anymore. Everyone in Washington is either influenced by lobbyists/donations or spend 2 or 6 years trying to fu*k over the opposite party.

The bill wasn't perfect but I doubt anybody came to the table in good faith to try to make it better.
it had teeth but then got watered down...
 5 years ago '08        #44
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So, the gun laws that did get passed actually weakened our existing gun laws, gun sales went through the roof by misinformation by the NRA, another attempt to pass legislation to combat mass shootings was watered down then defeated, and there was barely any effort made to address the mental health issues in the country(save for Obama's executive orders).

NRA won, while us Liberals leave w/a catastrophic L. We can't seem to find a W here on the Left, recently
 04-17-2013, 05:50 PM         #45
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 ItAlY2BkLyN said:
It's not. It's at the state level.



And I'm for including mental illness history on a background check. I don't think anyone taking any sort of psychoactive drugs should be allowed to get a gun.


Ever heard of HIPAA? And yes a subpoena can get them access. You think they're going to subpoena every person who tries to get a gun?

I'm naive enough to think some people on this board will actually have a mature discussion. Even if I've been proven wrong time and time before.
Think you might want to take a closer look at HIPAA(never mind just saw the context), think what he is saying the government is not restricted from accessing a national database, FBI does it all the time, just because its not technically a federal thing does not mean its protected by state regulation........gun registration and serial numbers go hand in hand and have been for many decades now.........the law would not have done sh*t about sh*t....but it could have saved lives........now what is wrong with that?


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 5 years ago '04        #46
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 stlcardinals19 said:
So, the gun laws that did get passed actually weakened our existing gun laws, gun sales went through the roof by misinformation by the NRA, another attempt to pass legislation to combat mass shootings was watered down then defeated, and there was barely any effort made to address the mental health issues in the country(save for Obama's executive orders).

NRA won, while us Liberals leave w/a catastrophic L. We can't seem to find a W here on the Left, recently
because the Right refuses to pass anything, regardless of how much sense it makes, just to be able to make a point. and its k!lling this country. hell boehner said word-for-word that he would refuse any legislation from obama. how is obama supposed to get anything done?
 5 years ago '11        #47
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 ItAlY2BkLyN said:

Ever heard of HIPAA? And yes a subpoena can get them access. You think they're going to subpoena every person who tries to get a gun?

I'm naive enough to think some people on this board will actually have a mature discussion. Even if I've been proven wrong time and time before.
HIPPA is for health records and even that's not fully protected by a subpoena. It does nothing to stop the government from accessing records about guns you own in a state database. Whether it's a federal database or a state database, your information is still passed around with ease. You acting like something being in a state database has any bearing on whether the federal government can access it if needed. All they need to do is request the information and it is given up without you even knowing it.

And have you not heard about the ATF Firearm Tracing System?


 5 years ago '07        #48
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america has got to be tha only country in history where people will actually f!ght to lose rights
 5 years ago '07        #49
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 r.burgundy said:
america has got to be tha only country in history where people will actually f!ght to lose rights
because background checks w massive loopholes=losing our rights
 5 years ago '07        #50
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 minimafiaaj said:
because background checks w massive loopholes=losing our rights
if it has "massive loopholes" then whats tha point?
 5 years ago '04        #51
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 minimafiaaj said:
because background checks w massive loopholes=losing our rights
there are so many people in our country that are so single-minded and stubborn about their "beliefs". if you dont have a mental illness, and arent a criminal, nobody is "coming after your guns". not sure why thats so hard to comprehend.
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 r.burgundy said:
if it has "massive loopholes" then whats tha point?
because anything else without loopholes wouldve been completely rejected by the GOP.

and just because something isnt "all or nothing", doesnt mean it would have 0 effect. anything at all to hinder gun violence is better than nothing
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 Mr AirRic said:
there are so many people in our country that are so single-minded and stubborn about their "beliefs". if you dont have a mental illness, and arent a criminal, nobody is "coming after your guns". not sure why thats so hard to comprehend.
maybe u should take a harder look at a history of gun control
 5 years ago '07        #54
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 Mr AirRic said:
because anything else without loopholes wouldve been completely rejected by the GOP.

and just because something isnt "all or nothing", doesnt mean it would have 0 effect. anything at all to hinder gun violence is better than nothing
and what do u think is tha next step after this set of legislation doesnt change anything?
 5 years ago '11        #55
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 r.burgundy said:
maybe u should take a harder look at a history of gun control
What rights were taken when Reagan passed stricter gun control laws? How long does it take to turn into a police state after gun control. Been almost 30 years since Reagan did it. We still in transition or nah?

 5 years ago '07        #56
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 Kadillac87 said:
What rights were taken when Reagan passed stricter gun control laws? How long does it take to turn into a police state after gun control. Been almost 30 years since Reagan did it. We still in transition or nah?

is tha country less violent since reagan or more?
 5 years ago '11        #57
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 r.burgundy said:
is tha country less violent since reagan or more?
Depends on which stats you are using but that's not the point. We in a police state or nah since we revisiting the history of gun control and all. What the UK? They in a police state yet?




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 5 years ago '07        #58
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 r.burgundy said:
if it has "massive loopholes" then whats tha point?
which is my point i made earlier, it just illuminates how crazy this debate has begun. Even the most watered down bullsh*t is lauded as "infringing on rights" and all other types of fact free sh*t. The NRA literally controls lots of these legislators on both sides. Filibuster and the interests of the NRA trumped everything else. NRA flat out lying about what the bill entailed.
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 Kadillac87 said:
Depends on which stats you are using but that's not the point. We in a police state or nah since revisiting the history of gun control.


what state do u live in?
 5 years ago '11        #60
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 r.burgundy said:
what state do u live in?
Apparently the United Police States of America.
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