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 04-17-2013, 10:51 PM         #201
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 Ghost Writer said:
This is about background checks on guns. Why would I be mentioning that unless I was trying to distract those with common sense from the issue at hand.
why cant you idiots understand the point of bringing up the other lobbyists?

the point is yall NEVER give a flying fu*k about all the corrupt lobbying that goes on in this country until the media gets you purposefully fixated on one of them... the NRA

"While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the NRA has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world."

Oh no! Defending our constitutional rights... what a horrible organization!
 04-17-2013, 10:51 PM         #202
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 Ghost Writer said:
1. I'd doesn't equal background check.
2. That's not a federal law.
You cant have a Foid without a background check tho. Illinois is the only state i believe that has Foids. So if u have a felony u dont get one or if u get a felony while having one you lose it. So basically if u go to a gun show in illinois you show your foid which means you already had a background check and u purchase the gun and fill out paperwork stating change of hands. You wait the waiting period and go back in pick it up. How would a background check help this process tho? its already been done. Keep in mind im talkin bout illinois laws
 5 years ago '07        #203
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 Ghost Writer said:
No one wants to k!ll a massive amount of innocent people unless they are mentally unstable. Cmon man. Be real. You're just arguing now for the fu*k of it.

And even if he wasn't, what's the harm in stopping those that are?
mental instability does not = mental illness.again,this punk kid did this sh*t because he wanted to,and no background check was gonna stop him bein as how he didnt even buy these guns himself.

no harm whatsoever,but token laws to please some masses aint stoppin sh*t
 04-17-2013, 10:52 PM         #204
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No one wants to k!ll a massive amount of innocent people unless they are mentally unstable.
I don't hear you crying and bi*ching about the pharmaceutical lobbyists....

You do realize practically every mass shooter was on some type of mind-bending psychotropic drugs right?

But nevermind that though, let's just ignore that and focus on inanimate objects like guns... brilliant...
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 5 years ago '07        #206
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 BALLONHOES said:
why cant you idiots understand the point of bringing up the other lobbyists?

the point is yall NEVER give a flying fu*k about all the corrupt lobbying that goes on in this country until the media gets you purposefully fixated on one of them... the NRA

"While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the NRA has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world."

Oh no! Defending our constitutional rights... what a horrible organization!
Your point is moot, so because in this specifice conversation no one else is talking about unrelated lobbyists means what exactly? ive always said we wont fix any problems until we fix the lobbyist door. But i dont see what relevance this has to the argument.
 04-17-2013, 10:56 PM         #207
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 Kadillac87 said:
Yes he could have done it with handguns. The likeihood of him matching the damage output with handguns in the same amount of time is highly unlikely though. That's the point you seem to be missing.
Ok so lets say it took him 3 mins with an AR, it would have taken him what maybe 5,6 7 minutes with hand guns? those few minutes wouldnt have mattered tho really. I just wanted you to see my point was it had nothing to do with the gun type. hell he could have used a shot gun and seen same results.
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 corys35 said:
Ok so lets say it took him 3 mins with an AR, it would have taken him what maybe 5,6 7 minutes with hand guns? those few minutes wouldnt have mattered tho really. I just wanted you to see my point was it had nothing to do with the gun type. hell he could have used a shot gun and seen same results.
those few min wouldnt have mattered? lol uhm yes they would have. dont you notice lots of these shooters are only stopped when they are reloading. a few min can def mkae a big difference idk how you argue it cant.
The shooter in Newtown, Adam Lanza, walked into the Sandy Hook elementary school armed with a semi-automatic Bushmaster AR-15 and 10 extended magazines with 30 bullets each, firing a total of 155 bullets in just less than 5 minutes — a rate of roughly two bullets per second. A shocking toll resulted: 26 people dead, including 20 children.

There is one very clear instance of a mass k!ller being stopped while reloading: the rampage in Tucson, Arizona, which came to an end when Jared Loughner was forced to pause and reload after emptying a 33-round magazine in about 19 seconds. A total of 19 people were shot, including the-Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-AZ), and six people died.

Even in the shooting in Newtown, one of Lanza’s reloads is said to have taken longer than the others, which Sherlach pointed out “allowed 11 kids to get out of the classroom.”

“It’s just a simple arithmetic,” he said. “If you have to change magazines 15 times instead of five times, you have three times as many incidents as where something could jam. Something could be bobbled. You just increase the time for intervention. You increase the timeframe where kids can get out. And there’s 11 kids out there today that are still running around on the playground pretty much now at lunchtime.”


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 04-17-2013, 10:58 PM         #209
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 corys35 said:
Ok so lets say it took him 3 mins with an AR, it would have taken him what maybe 5,6 7 minutes with hand guns? those few minutes wouldnt have mattered tho really. I just wanted you to see my point was it had nothing to do with the gun type. hell he could have used a shot gun and seen same results.
these idiots think that you can stop random rare isolated incidents before they happen, the only way thats possible is to create an absolute police state in which the people have zero rights and freedom... which is the plan and these clowns can't wait for it they're gonna love every minute of it...
 04-17-2013, 11:00 PM         #210
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 BALLONHOES said:
these idiots think that you can stop random rare isolated incidents before they happen, the only way thats possible is to create an absolute police state in which the people have zero rights and freedom... which is the plan and these clowns can't wait for it they're gonna love every minute of it...
agreed. i hope to god we are wrong but i personally think we are headed that way. sh*t gonna be like minority report gonna get arrested for something u havent done yet
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 BALLONHOES said:
these idiots think that you can stop random rare isolated incidents before they happen, the only way thats possible is to create an absolute police state in which the people have zero rights and freedom... which is the plan and these clowns can't wait for it they're gonna love every minute of it...
i think they want thought police and pre crime arrests like in minority report
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 BALLONHOES said:
these idiots think that you can stop random rare isolated incidents before they happen, the only way thats possible is to create an absolute police state in which the people have zero rights and freedom... which is the plan and these clowns can't wait for it they're gonna love every minute of it...
background checks now equal absolute police state. good to know
 5 years ago '11        #213
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 corys35 said:
Ok so lets say it took him 3 mins with an AR, it would have taken him what maybe 5,6 7 minutes with hand guns? those few minutes wouldnt have mattered tho really. I just wanted you to see my point was it had nothing to do with the gun type. hell he could have used a shot gun and seen same results.
The police was there within 5 mins so yes those few minutes would have mattered. He would have gotten off less shots which means less dead. Not to mention you have a better chance of surviving bullets shot from a handgun than from a rifle.

So are you really trying to make the case that he would have k!lled the same amount of people in the same amount of time if he had handguns?

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 Kadillac87 said:
The police was there within 5 mins so yes those few minutes would have mattered. He would have gotten off less shots which means less dead. Not to mention you have a better chance of surviving bullets shot from a handgun than from a rifle.

So are you really trying to make the case that he would have k!lled the same amount of people in the same amount of time if he had handguns?

The shooter in Newtown, Adam Lanza, walked into the Sandy Hook elementary school armed with a semi-automatic Bushmaster AR-15 and 10 extended magazines with 30 bullets each, firing a total of 155 bullets in just less than 5 minutes — a rate of roughly two bullets per second. A shocking toll resulted: 26 people dead, including 20 children.

There is one very clear instance of a mass k!ller being stopped while reloading: the rampage in Tucson, Arizona, which came to an end when Jared Loughner was forced to pause and reload after emptying a 33-round magazine in about 19 seconds. A total of 19 people were shot, including the-Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-AZ), and six people died.

Even in the shooting in Newtown, one of Lanza’s reloads is said to have taken longer than the others, which Sherlach pointed out “allowed 11 kids to get out of the classroom.”

“It’s just a simple arithmetic,” he said. “If you have to change magazines 15 times instead of five times, you have three times as many incidents as where something could jam. Something could be bobbled. You just increase the time for intervention. You increase the timeframe where kids can get out. And there’s 11 kids out there today that are still running around on the playground pretty much now at lunchtime.”
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 minimafiaaj said:
background checks now equal absolute police state. good to know
Hitler used gun laws to try to take over the world. Duh. Never mind Reagan implemented gun laws too. We're just skip over that because it doesn't help our case

 04-17-2013, 11:04 PM         #216
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 minimafiaaj said:
those few min wouldnt have mattered? lol uhm yes they would have. dont you notice lots of these shooters are only stopped when they are reloading. a few min can def mkae a big difference idk how you argue it cant.
again he was in a classroom with kids. it wouldnt have mattered. cops didnt get there until he k!lled himself. and the theater shooting dude stopped went outside and sat in his car till cops got there. so both could have just kept firing they didnt stop because of reloading cmon man
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 Kadillac87 said:
The police was there within 5 mins so yes those few minutes would have mattered. He would have gotten off less shots which means less dead. Not to mention you have a better chance of surviving bullets shot from a handgun than from a rifle.

So are you really trying to make the case that he would have k!lled the same amount of people in the same amount of time if he had handguns?

no man,he is sayin tha body count could have been tha same regardless.key word is "could"
 04-17-2013, 11:05 PM         #218
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 corys35 said:
agreed. i hope to god we are wrong but i personally think we are headed that way. sh*t gonna be like minority report gonna get arrested for something u havent done yet
you're damn right we're headed that way... and fast....

they got most of these clowns totally brainwashed to think "times are changing" therefore we need to have our rights taken away... lol

"times are changing" guys... let them put a video camera in your living room, let them have a TSA officer pat you down when you step outside to go to work in the morning... you know you want it... you're begging for it... you cant wait...
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 corys35 said:
again he was in a classroom with kids. it wouldnt have mattered. cops didnt get there until he k!lled himself. and the theater shooting dude stopped went outside and sat in his car till cops got there. so both could have just kept firing they didnt stop because of reloading cmon man
The shooter in Newtown, Adam Lanza, walked into the Sandy Hook elementary school armed with a semi-automatic Bushmaster AR-15 and 10 extended magazines with 30 bullets each, firing a total of 155 bullets in just less than 5 minutes — a rate of roughly two bullets per second. A shocking toll resulted: 26 people dead, including 20 children.

There is one very clear instance of a mass k!ller being stopped while reloading: the rampage in Tucson, Arizona, which came to an end when Jared Loughner was forced to pause and reload after emptying a 33-round magazine in about 19 seconds. A total of 19 people were shot, including the-Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-AZ), and six people died.

Even in the shooting in Newtown, one of Lanza’s reloads is said to have taken longer than the others, which Sherlach pointed out “allowed 11 kids to get out of the classroom.”

“It’s just a simple arithmetic,” he said. “If you have to change magazines 15 times instead of five times, you have three times as many incidents as where something could jam. Something could be bobbled. You just increase the time for intervention. You increase the timeframe where kids can get out. And there’s 11 kids out there today that are still running around on the playground pretty much now at lunchtime.”

it didnt matter? looks like againf acts not jiving with the narrative you're pushing.
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 Kadillac87 said:
Yes he could have done it with handguns. The likeihood of him matching the damage output with handguns in the same amount of time is highly unlikely though. That's the point you seem to be missing.
do you own guns? or have you fired guns? how can you confirm that it is "highly unlikely"
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