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 5 years ago '10        #101
Jruk2345 1 heat pts
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 Dos-effect said:
So then hiphop is not an imitation life but the other way around? To that I stronly disagree...but to each its own.
so u think hip hop is a positive force?

i would say some is but the majority is entertainment

we should view most of these artist as we do an actor, just playing the part
 5 years ago '11        #102
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 CTre said:
what you want them to rap about??? If they can't rap about their life... If they can't rap about whats in their soul. They're gonna be them.. Country Singers sing about horrible and depressing sh*t but because they are country singers it's acceptable. Art imitates Life...
Wow you clearly dont know country music
 03-11-2013, 07:02 PM         #103
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 Jruk2345 said:
so u think hip hop is a positive force?

i would say some is but the majority is entertainment

we should view most of these artist as we do an actor, just playing the part
No, but blaming the music for negative aspects of black people, is the same as blaming Mariyln Mason for school shootings.........free will is free will.....not to mention the black race was self destructing long before hiphop came around.......our down fall is drugs...plain and simple......not hiphop music.
 03-11-2013, 07:08 PM         #104
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 dcashalston said:
It is on the parents tho! Just cuz the momma and daddy aint around aint no excuse...There are plenty of people that grew up in single parent homes, listened to rap, and are not fu*ked up...

Regardless of what TI does he is one man...If one mans words from a CD has more power over a child than his/her own parent then that directly points to their sh*tty parenting skills

Edit: And I just read the Instagram screenshots...The lil n*gga disrespected his daughter...Celebrity or not if a lil n*gga talkin crazy to ya seed what you gonna do?
Its a product of kids raising themselves. Many people n single parent homes are raised by the television because their parent works themselves to death doing their best to provide. In the process many life lessons and morals are untaught. this is where movies and music influence these kids.

Im not saying that good people do not come out of bad situations i know many who have learned from the struggle and it made them better people. But for most it does not work out that way
 03-11-2013, 07:15 PM         #105
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This THE SAME INTERVIEW or whatever where 50 CENT DISSED MASTER P & ALMOST FELL on his A/S/S when he went to SIT BACK DOWN NEXT to T.I & ROBIN THICKE I think (lol)
 03-11-2013, 07:25 PM         #106
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 Matt504 said:
Our downfall is drugs, and the rappers glorify drugs, and make songs about how many bricks they've lost, or sold, or how they can make cocaine, and how much money they've made selling drugs.



isn't it counterproductive to market music about drugs to a people who've been disproportionately victimized by drugs?

is there any scenario where glorifying drugs helps victims of drugs?

this is not about blaming hip hop or rappers for the condition that Black people are in, it's about calling them out for promoting, glamorizing, and perpetuating negative behaviors to a people who are CURRENTLY living the lifestyles that the rappers no longer have to live.

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 5 years ago '04        #107
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 Matt504 said:
Our downfall is drugs, and the rappers glorify drugs, and make songs about how many bricks they've lost, or sold, or how they can make cocaine, and how much money they've made selling drugs.



isn't it counterproductive to market music about drugs to a people who've been disproportionately victimized by drugs?

is there any scenario where glorifying drugs helps victims of drugs?

this is not about blaming hip hop or rappers for the condition that Black people are in, it's about calling them out for promoting, glamorizing, and perpetuating negative behaviors to a people who are CURRENTLY living the lifestyles that the rappers no longer have to live.

Or have never lived.


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 5 years ago '10        #108
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 Patrick Galooly said:
Ghandi was actually accused of being racist against blacks And putting the civil rights f!ght of his people before blacks.
Well if this is true then smh. At the end of the day we are just human.

But other then that, his philosophy can still be used. If Martin used it then sure enough it can be used in a wider context
 03-11-2013, 07:50 PM         #109
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 Matt504 said:
Our downfall is drugs, and the rappers glorify drugs, and make songs about how many bricks they've lost, or sold, or how they can make cocaine, and how much money they've made selling drugs.



isn't it counterproductive to market music about drugs to a people who've been disproportionately victimized by drugs?

is there any scenario where glorifying drugs helps victims of drugs?

this is not about blaming hip hop or rappers for the condition that Black people are in, it's about calling them out for promoting, glamorizing, and perpetuating negative behaviors to a people who are CURRENTLY living the lifestyles that the rappers no longer have to live.
Exactly, but where the drugs already in the community before Young Jeezy and TI? They were product of the drug culture, the drug culture has not flourished any more or any less since they got on..........bascially the problem is not the music, its the culture of a number of black Americans in general, blaming these artist is a cop-out , thats all my point ever was.
 5 years ago '13        #110
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 Matt504 said:
Our downfall is drugs, and the rappers glorify drugs, and make songs about how many bricks they've lost, or sold, or how they can make cocaine, and how much money they've made selling drugs.



isn't it counterproductive to market music about drugs to a people who've been disproportionately victimized by drugs?

is there any scenario where glorifying drugs helps victims of drugs?

this is not about blaming hip hop or rappers for the condition that Black people are in, it's about calling them out for promoting, glamorizing, and perpetuating negative behaviors to a people who are CURRENTLY living the lifestyles that the rappers no longer have to live.
Real sh*t my n*gga.

Real sh*t!
 5 years ago '04        #111
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 Dos-effect said:
Exactly, but where the drugs already in the community before Young Jeezy and TI? They were product of the drug culture, the drug culture has not flourished any more or any less since they got on..........bascially the problem is not the music, its the culture of a number of black Americans in general, blaming these artist is a cop-out , thats all my point ever was.
Why is it a cop out ? Like you stated they were a part of the culture and they continue to glorify it, instead of denouncing it. Even if it is flourishing or not. Where is the sense in that ? Oh , but they're making money , so it's all good. . .

They have the means to steer a lot of black males in another direction , but they choose not to. They are not fully responsible, but they do play a part in it. It takes a community ...
 5 years ago '10        #112
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 NO RELIGION said:
maybe the n*gga farted before he left the podium
maybe
 03-11-2013, 08:17 PM         #113
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 Aesop730 said:
Why is it a cop out ? Like you stated they were a part of the culture and they continue to glorify it, instead of denouncing it. Even if it is flourishing or not. Where is the sense in that ? Oh , but they're making money , so it's all good. . .

They have the means to steer a lot of black males in another direction , but they choose not to. They are not fully responsible, but they do play a part in it. It takes a community ...
If your looking at an artist to help our people and even going as far as to blame them for the destruction of our race......if you can do that, then I can say your as much of a culprit because your an endorse of the generation of hiphop that led to this......with the NWA, Biggie, and Pac......all that sh*t was a pre lude to hiphop today......but when there is a top 10 list who is on there? Thats why its a bullsh*t cop-out we are the leaders of our generation now and what we doing to combat the issues that we face? bi*ch on the internet about how rappers are the problem? You have the means to steer youth the other direction, what are U doing? Alot of these artist do more for the youth in thier community then yall will even do for your own people in your immediate family. The point is its an entertainers job to raise my kids in my community. Its my job...if Im in a position to do so.....fu*k I look like walking right by a kid I knew since his birth selling drugs and I know that n*gga listens and respects me.......and then when he gets k!lled or locked up.....I walk up to TI and blame him for his music cause he was the little dudes favorite artist.......where the fu*k was I at? For all yall talk about black upliftment......yall cats are pretty weak when it comes to action.......I guess its eaiser to point at a phantom threat, as opposed to admitting that we as black men are failing our young......not these bullsh*t rappers......
 5 years ago '12        #114
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 Matt504 said:
Our downfall is drugs, and the rappers glorify drugs, and make songs about how many bricks they've lost, or sold, or how they can make cocaine, and how much money they've made selling drugs.



isn't it counterproductive to market music about drugs to a people who've been disproportionately victimized by drugs?

is there any scenario where glorifying drugs helps victims of drugs?

this is not about blaming hip hop or rappers for the condition that Black people are in, it's about calling them out for promoting, glamorizing, and perpetuating negative behaviors to a people who are CURRENTLY living the lifestyles that the rappers no longer have to live.
So what do you want them to rap about? how much money they have? all the females the fu*k? their bank account?

They don't HAVE to live that life but that IS their life. Thats what they grew up doing and its kinda hard to stop once you've already started no matter how much money you have. Ti lives in a big a.ss house away from the hood, yet he still has the hood in him and he's still welcome in the hood and his family/friednds are still out there. Hes not about to just completely block that part of his life out. Thats what made him. you can say the same for gucci and flocka

How can you sit their and blame these rappers for being who they are?
 5 years ago '11        #115
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 s7venwords said:
She smelled the bs on the lil snitch.
big question for you...after all these years who he snitch on??? no one can ever answer that, n how u a snitch if you keep getting locked up? did he snitch on his self?....being waiting years ona name!
 5 years ago '12        #116
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Everything starts at home with the parents.


Blaming rappers for a child's actions is irrational and is on the same level as blaming video games for a child being violent.


 5 years ago '08        #117
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 Matt504 said:
Our downfall is drugs, and the rappers glorify drugs, and make songs about how many bricks they've lost, or sold, or how they can make cocaine, and how much money they've made selling drugs.



isn't it counterproductive to market music about drugs to a people who've been disproportionately victimized by drugs?

is there any scenario where glorifying drugs helps victims of drugs?

this is not about blaming hip hop or rappers for the condition that Black people are in, it's about calling them out for promoting, glamorizing, and perpetuating negative behaviors to a people who are CURRENTLY living the lifestyles that the rappers no longer have to live.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Matt504 again.
 5 years ago '10        #118
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Pam b00ty>>>>> T.I. career
 5 years ago '08        #119
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 Dos-effect said:
If your looking at an artist to help our people and even going as far as to blame them for the destruction of our race......if you can do that, then I can say your as much of a culprit because your an endorse of the generation of hiphop that led to this......with the NWA, Biggie, and Pac......all that sh*t was a pre lude to hiphop today......but when there is a top 10 list who is on there? Thats why its a bullsh*t cop-out we are the leaders of our generation now and what we doing to combat the issues that we face? bi*ch on the internet about how rappers are the problem? You have the means to steer youth the other direction, what are U doing? Alot of these artist do more for the youth in thier community then yall will even do for your own people in your immediate family. The point is its an entertainers job to raise my kids in my community. Its my job...if Im in a position to do so.....fu*k I look like walking right by a kid I knew since his birth selling drugs and I know that n*gga listens and respects me.......and then when he gets k!lled or locked up.....I walk up to TI and blame him for his music cause he was the little dudes favorite artist.......where the fu*k was I at? For all yall talk about black upliftment......yall cats are pretty weak when it comes to action.......I guess its eaiser to point at a phantom threat, as opposed to admitting that we as black men are failing our young......not these bullsh*t rappers......
You're going off topic, and although it should be each one teach one, I agree, you cannot discount the fact that the platform a rapper has can change millions of lives with one, powerful, positive, well-marketed song. When was the last time you heard a song on the radio that spoke to children directly about taking the right path and not doing stupid. From what I can recall:

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This was a real simple song aimed at elementary school children. This is actually a throwback to one of the illest positive songs ever:


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For Confirmation, look at the top comment on this video that's been viewed over 1.5 mllion times:

Homere Lesperance
I love this song because it inspired me that destruction is not the only option we have in life to follow. With the special gift called free will, each individual is capable of righteousness or destruction upon themselves.
So, in conclusion, I have shown proof that Rappers who can put together a positive ill song with a great concept and beat can have a profound affect on young and impressionable child/teens/young adults. /thread
 03-11-2013, 09:05 PM         #120
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