Its Official: Rudy Gay to Toronto Raptors

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 5 years ago '07        #241
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 Russ369 said:
Of course they will, its boxden. They stick to their per-conditioned narratives, and that's that. Why spit facts? Facts don't mean sh*t on Boxden.
this one aspect of the game

would you take gay over wade
 5 years ago '05        #242
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 Russ369 said:
Of course they will, its boxden. They stick to their per-conditioned narratives, and that's that. Why spit facts? Facts don't mean sh*t on Boxden.
this f*ggot posts stats about game winners, ignores EVERYTHING else and then talks about "facts."
 5 years ago '10        #243
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 Russ369 said:
Of course they will, its boxden. They stick to their per-conditioned narratives, and that's that. Why spit facts? Facts don't mean sh*t on Boxden.
So ignoring his shooting percentage in the other 47 minutes isn't facts
 5 years ago '04        #244
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 Rubix said:
this f*ggot posts stats about game winners, ignores EVERYTHING else and then talks about "facts."
I don't ignore them, you're the one ignoring the intangibles and looking purely at the advanced stats. Advanced stats don't account for a lot of things like the coaches system, the situation, motivation, etc.

A change of scenery will do well for him. Ask a Grizz fan, Rudy might take the most shots on the team, but he's not naturally the first option on the team. They try and get Gasol/Z-Bo going, if they don't do well, Rudy is forced upon to create.

All im saying, is let the situation play out a bit before u get all gay all gay about it!
 5 years ago '04        #245
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 kingjab7542 said:
So ignoring his shooting percentage in the other 47 minutes isn't facts
Not ignoring it, I know his numbers are down...

Im bring it up because the Raps needed a closer, and we got one... Whats so hard to understand about that? Our problem wasn't that we were getting blown out every game, no... We are close and f!ght against almost EVERY team... We just needed that last guy to come in and secure us a win. Hopefully he's the one...
 5 years ago '05        #246
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 Russ369 said:
I don't ignore them, you're the one ignoring the intangibles and looking purely at the advanced stats. Advanced stats don't account for a lot of things like the coaches system, the situation, motivation, etc.

A change of scenery will do well for him. Ask a Grizz fan, Rudy might take the most shots on the team, but he's not naturally the first option on the team. They try and get Gasol/Z-Bo going, if they don't do well, Rudy is forced upon to create.

All im saying, is let the situation play out a bit before u get all gay all gay about it!
what grizz fans? the ones saying "good riddance?" most of the grizz fans on this site support him being moved. the only person that's riding for him is not even a grizzly fan. he's a rudy gay fan () and he calls himself "smoovedude" () its obvious that n*gga is a sweet a.ss f*ggot with a hard on for gay. rocking a gay jersey is his way of coming out without fully coming out.

but like i said numerous times, ill only be fine with this trade if bargnani or derozan is moved. i cant imagine the offense with all 3 of them on the floor.
 5 years ago '04        #247
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 Rubix said:
what grizz fans? the ones saying "good riddance?" most of the grizz fans on this site support him being moved. the only person that's riding for him is not even a grizzly fan. he's a rudy gay fan () and he calls himself "smoovedude" () its obvious that n*gga is a sweet a.ss f*ggot with a hard on for gay. rocking a gay jersey is his way of coming out without fully coming out.

but like i said numerous times, ill only be fine with this trade if bargnani or derozan is moved. i cant imagine the offense with all 3 of them on the floor.
Add another Grizzlies fan thats saying "good riddance" to Rudy Gay leaving :hah3:

Fact of the matter is he was getting paid 16.5 mil a year, and he's 37 million on the books for the next two years. He averages 17 on 40% shooting and 6 rebs, and take many ill-advised shots. He's overpaid, and while I would have took the money too (his only defense, because dumb a.ss Heisley paid him), he's not worth his contract, and never has been. If he was making 10 mil or less, I could see, but not what he makes now.

And these so-called "fans" that are mad he's leaving, remember we made our longest playoff run with Gay out for the season.
 01-31-2013, 12:13 PM         #248
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 Rubix said:
what grizz fans? the ones saying "good riddance?" most of the grizz fans on this site support him being moved. the only person that's riding for him is not even a grizzly fan. he's a rudy gay fan () and he calls himself "smoovedude" () its obvious that n*gga is a sweet a.ss f*ggot with a hard on for gay. rocking a gay jersey is his way of coming out without fully coming out.

but like i said numerous times, ill only be fine with this trade if bargnani or derozan is moved. i cant imagine the offense with all 3 of them on the floor.
I guarantee this n*gga softall the stale a.ss jokes and shouting dont cover how soft you are pus*y but it dont worry though, its the internet so im sure you feel good with a cosign huh

Anywho...all fans tend to take the bad and make good of it....now he barely moved the ball but with zbo out most of the year last year he lead them to their best winning% ever and played the exact same n*gga percentages are down but stats are nearly the same and he keep shoutin the same thing bra just shut the hell up
 01-31-2013, 12:19 PM         #249
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 Myworld82 said:

And these so-called "fans" that are mad he's leaving, remember we made our longest playoff run with Gay out for the season.
Zbo was k!llin and yea they made it to the 2nd round but this aint the same zach and on top of that he finna get traded this offseason because he bout to be 33, gets paid 16/17 mill and is a bit slower they expect ed davis to fill his void but it aint happenin

When rudy wanted the extension for 56 mill I believe they said no then the next year they gave him the 80
 5 years ago '04        #250
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I just don't understand the hate around the league from the pro's and the fans...

Ask yourselves this question: What better options at the 3 are out there? REALISTIC options... I can't think of many...

And the more I think about it, the less I care what these sports analyst guys think... So because they watch a Raptors game once in a while, they automatically know what the key needs for the Raptors are? I bet you half of them haven't even had Ed Davis on their radar only until this past month or two... Fans complained about wanting Jose gone, done. Fans complained that the Raps management needed to commit to Lowry going forward, done. Fans complained we needed a serviceable 3, done. What else do you want???
 5 years ago '06        #251
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Why are people mentioning trading Derozan. I know he sucks but we just gave him a huge extension, he isnt going anywhere



Bargnani on the other hand...
 5 years ago '04        #252
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 SuppaSlick said:
Why are people mentioning trading Derozan. I know he sucks but we just gave him a huge extension, he isnt going anywhere



Bargnani on the other hand...
Cuz him and Gay are essentially the same kind of player... Bargnani NEEDS to go though, it will be impossible with him... Only way he can potentially stay is if we play him off the bench like Ginobili
 5 years ago '08        #253
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LOOOL my n*gga rubix heate
 5 years ago '05        #254
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 Russ369 said:
You do realize I dont give a fu*k what you think? Raps haven't had a serviceable 3 since T-Mac left the team, don't sh*t on our parade!

at TMAC being a "serviceable 3"
 5 years ago '11        #255
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 Russ369 said:
Not ignoring it, I know his numbers are down...

Im bring it up because the Raps needed a closer, and we got one... Whats so hard to understand about that? Our problem wasn't that we were getting blown out every game, no... We are close and f!ght against almost EVERY team... We just needed that last guy to come in and secure us a win. Hopefully he's the one...
This is true. I don't think I've seen another team choke away games as much as the raptors have in recent years


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 01-31-2013, 03:20 PM         #256
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 SmooveDude said:
seriously?
did u c the pistons got r*ped
 5 years ago '05        #257
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 SuppaSlick said:
Why are people mentioning trading Derozan. I know he sucks but we just gave him a huge extension, he isnt going anywhere



Bargnani on the other hand...
Because to get rid of Bargnani we have to give up an a.sset and currently DeRozan's stock is high.
 5 years ago '04        #258
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15 pages and no this


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 01-31-2013, 05:19 PM         #259
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Rubix been serving out Omar Little sized gunshots in this thread damn

Just saw this:

 SHootar said:
some of us aren't the only ones thinking BC lost yet another deal. article from yahoo's nba page...



Rudy Gay is sent to Toronto in a three-team deal that doesn’t look all that great for Toronto


When the Memphis Grizzlies dealt three solid players and a draft pick to the Cleveland Cavaliers for little-used Jon Leuer last week, the general consensus around the league was that the Grizzlies had effectively nickel-and-dimed their way out of having to deal forward Rudy Gay. After all, the team was no longer set to pay the luxury tax, and the Grizz needed all the scoring they could get. And Rudy’s a scorer, right?

In Memphis’ eyes? No. The team’s new front office has never been smitten with Gay’s work, taking plenty of shots to score a middling amount of points, while offering precious little else in terms of defense, rebounding, passing or putting opponents into the penalty. Even without the luxury-tax restrictions influencing movement, the two years and more than $37 million remaining on Rudy Gay’s contract after this season is far too steep a price to pay for his production. If you’re going to make $17.88 million, as Rudy will next year, you should at least be averaging 17.88 points per game while shooting an acceptable percentage.

Instead, Memphis is dealing Gay’s 17.2 points per contest and 40.8 shooting percentage to the Toronto Raptors. The team will also give up fan favorite Hamed Haddadi (who will be waived by Toronto), and receive promising forward/center Ed Davis from Toronto. The Raptors will send guard Jose Calderon to Memphis, and the Grizzlies will re-route the pass-first distributor to Detroit in exchange for Tayshaun Prince and Austin Daye. In all, nobody seems happy.

This is how the NBA’s various interests work. Detroit badly needs a distributor, and despite his many misgivings, Calderon is one of the NBA’s best and he owns an expiring contract that will help the Pistons get far under the salary cap this summer. Memphis saves a huge amount of cash while being able to distribute Gay’s 16.4 shot attempts per game amongst more efficient players, and Toronto … well, we have no idea what the hell Toronto is doing.



We know why the Raptors want Rudy Gay. He looked like a real comer back in 2006, but he’s done absolutely nothing besides look the part of an All-Star while offering the production of an average player. When you factor in the history that suggests he’ll be taking shots away from players who do more productive things with the ball offensively, this average turn might trend down into the realm of the negative. Toss in his maximum contract and … another winner, Bryan Colangelo!


While giving up that rarest of commodities — a versatile big man with scoring touch working off a tiny rookie contract. Davis has significantly improved in 2012-13, averaging 14.5 points and 6.8 rebounds for every 36 minutes he plays while shooting 55 percent. Because he takes five more shots over the 36-minute term, a function of play-calling differences between Memphis and Toronto, Rudy Gay averages 16.9 points per 36 minutes, with 5.8 boards. While making more than $14 million more than Davis will this season.

Memphis will also take in Prince, whose iffy contract we detailed two weeks ago here at Ball Don’t Lie. Prince has improved markedly on his post-up work this season, though he was always a stalwart in that area, so his skills can work for the right team. On the Grizzlies, though? His loping post work won’t find much room with Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol manning the paint.

Unless Prince is asked to focus solely on that most coveted of shots — the corner 3-pointer. Prince is shooting 43 percent from long range on the season, but he’s below average from the top of the arc. In the corner, though, Tay has hit well over half of his attempts on the year. Daye, also acquired from Detroit, actually shoots below average from the corner, but is over 61 percent from behind the stripe from the longer side of the arc. If the Memphis coaching staff emphasizes production from these areas, the team’s offense will improve in spite of the loss of Gay’s scoring average and 40 percent shooting.

Not only did Gay eschew the easier 3-pointer by over a 5-to-1 margin in terms of attempts, but he’s made just 3 of 19 from that spot all season. It’s like this guy was made to act as a John Hollinger talking point. You can almost see Brad Pitt spitting chaw into a cup while the newest Grizzlies personnel adviser talks up usage rate.

Jose Calderon is off to Detroit (Getty Images)Detroit gets another chance to get it all right. The team seemed on the verge of blowing up its 2004 championship core in '08 when it traded for Allen Iverson’s expiring contract. But soon after, GM Joe Dumars signed Richard Hamilton to a contract extension, and it became apparent that the team was dealing for Allen Iverson, and not “Allen Iverson’s expiring contract.” The franchise did have cap space the next summer, but blew it on the acquisitions of Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva, while several seasons of ownership roadblocks followed.

As it stands, the team alternates between one of the least and most watchable squads in the NBA, depending on coach Lawrence Frank’s rotations. Jose Calderon, even if he is “Jose Calderon’s expiring contract,” will help the Pistons not only become more watchable, but aid in a last-ditch playoff push. The Pistons are 4 1/2 games out of the last spot in the East, with both Boston and Philadelphia reeling. Prince and Daye made no impact on the team’s future plans, so this is an immediate step up, even if the Pistons have to watch as Kyle Singler and Calderon are routinely burned on the defensive end.

And Toronto? Again, we have no idea.

Once Aaron Gray and Linas Kleiza pick up their player options for next season, the Raptors will be over the luxury tax featuring a core of Gay, DeMar DeRozan and Andrea Bargnani. Three players that nobody seems to covet outside of the offices of Raptors GM Colangelo. Of course, the team could decline to keep Kyle Lowry’s non-guaranteed contract around, but that would leave the Raps with absolutely no point guards outside of John Lucas III — so named because he’s (and this isn’t a shot) always the best third-string point guard in the NBA.

Think of this deal for Toronto in terms that exclude specifics. The franchise had a competent point guard with a massive expiring contract and a very talented 23-year-old center who is working on a rookie deal paying him less than half of the NBA’s average salary. They turned those a.ssets into Gay, who they’ll pay more than $37 million to over the next two years. Missteps don’t come much more obvious than this.

The deal doesn’t answer all the questions for Memphis. The team is still terrible offensively, and it needs shooting desperately, even if Prince and Daye are used appropriately. There are three weeks left until the NBA’s trade deadline, and the Grizzlies’ new front office still has quite a bit of work to do in order to remedy the team's faults.

Until then, the fault shifts to the Toronto Raptors' front office. Again

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Oh my god

@ "Memphis saves a huge amount of cash while being able to distribute Gay’s 16.4 shot attempts per game amongst more efficient players, and Toronto … well, we have no idea what the hell Toronto is doing."

And this:

"Think of this deal for Toronto in terms that exclude specifics. The franchise had a competent point guard with a massive expiring contract and a very talented 23-year-old center who is working on a rookie deal paying him less than half of the NBA’s average salary. They turned those a.ssets into Gay, who they’ll pay more than $37 million to over the next two years. Missteps don’t come much more obvious than this."



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