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 5 years ago '07        #81
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
no.. they're not irresponsible in all areas of life.. im sure they made a extra buck in their career by abortion that child but was it all worth it in the end?

what happend to trying to live chirstlike or in a manner that we wouldnt be ashamed to tell?
fu*k does christ have to do with any of this, you talk about pressures of society, then go on mentioning "what happened to living in a christlike manor" so societal pressure is not okay, but pressure to live like christ is a ok?
 5 years ago '07        #82
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
how the fu*k would you know that?

pro choicers actually dont give a fu*k after the child is born.. do you hw

pro lifers are the dudes up in church tryna get people saved, reformed, restored.. etc.. they're helping people all over society

pro choicers are the type to not even stop by if you had a flat tire..

what the fu*k are pro choicers doing? looking out for their got damn self.. tell me im wrong.. i'll wait
pro lifers are guys in our congress, who wanna slash funding for programs that feed poor children and help pregnant mothers, all the while keeping tax subsidies for the richest corporations in history. and trying to push through bills that criminalize abortion, essentially saying we're gonna force you to have that baby (by a rapist or whomever) but dont expect any help. and @ people in churches preaching pro life stuff are helping society, please. these motherfu*kers are the reason society isnt further along. Constantly making us deal with their bullsh*t cause their thousand year old book says some things, that they want the rest of us to abide by.

and being pro choice isn't being selfish, its giving the women the choice to make for herself. Only dealing with these bible thumping morons, is making a decision for another woman not being selfish, but let that woman make her own chocie and you're being selfishand @ your "they want stop to help someone with a flat tire" fu*king stupid comparison.

take your own advice and do your hw, that way you wont come off so stupid next time. oh and, you're wrong.
 5 years ago '07        #83
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
its not just about christlike behavior.. no matter what religion you're part of, we are pushed in a direction to live honorable lives

isnt THOU SHALL NOT k!ll a fu*king commandment carved in stone!?
like i've said, i dont give a fu*k what the 10 commandments or any other ancient fictional religious texts say. religious motherfu*kers are clueless. We have all these pro birth clowns supporting war, they are essentially k!lling people, looks like they are violating a commandment.

The pro birth crowd is FILLED with hypocrisy.
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
ask yourself this... IF the action is TRYING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ABORTIONS..whos got the better strategy?

1. prolifers... promoting no abortions, and or limited abortions, restoring damaged people who suffer from mental depression after abortion, promoting a healthy image for families, promoting s3xual responsibility

2. prochoicers encouraging women to feel proud to do whatever they want with their body, no questions asked...encouraging s3xual education, but at the same time not saying anything about how overs3xed our society and media are... so their s3xual education efforts are really blown away..


pro choicers are not reducing abortions... there are machines that you cant stop w/o force... one is SOCIETY, one is THE MEDIA... if we dont do something drastic to change both, abortions will still happen... the message that the media and society tell is is fu*k WHOEVER YOU WANT.. no matter if you got a $2.09 in your bank account, past due on all of your bills, dont have any ideas of being a parent and dont even wanna talk to shawty the next weekend.. what kinda bullsh*t is that?


and rap culture is a huge part in the blame in regard to black america.. they promote smutting out women... and pretty much not taking any part in parenting
this convo is going no where, you see pro lifers a way they aren;t. they dont promote limited abortions, they promote 0, none at all. If you get r*ped and it results in a pregnancy, its a gift from god. so until you see the real way pro lifers are, this convo is going no where. and if you wanna stop abortions, or at least drop them a lot. Start with making contraception more accessible, educate these kids, that abstinence sh*t doesn't work.
 5 years ago '04        #85
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 Kadillac87 said:
You act like illegal abortions were as prevalent as legal abortions these days. People got abortions but it wasn't at the rate of 50% of all pregnancies ending in abortion.
It's not 50% now either, it's more like 22%. It's impossible to know how many illegal abortions were performed every year, but it probably wasn't as big a difference as you think from legal abortions. I've seen estimates of like 800,000 a year in the 60s, compared to like 1.3 million now, which is probably mostly accounted for by population increase.


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 5 years ago '07        #86
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 HHS said:
It's not 50% now either, it's more like 22%.
think hes saying 50 percent is for african americans..
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 HHS said:
It's not 50% now either, it's more like 22%. It's impossible to know how many illegal abortions were performed every year, but it probably wasn't as big a difference as you think from legal abortions.
22% of all pregnancies. Half of unwanted pregnancies in end abortion. You saying the rate was that high when abortion was illegal?
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
there is a clear difference in k!lling people for death penalties that are a serious threat to society or countries or terrorist groups that threaten the saftey of our nation...completely different topic.. no relation at all

is there perfection amongst the prolifers.. no, but they have a better mission than prochoicers..

prolife's vision is better for society

do i believe that abortion should be illegal? no but it would do more good than harm

my problem with abortion is that its sooo misused, abused and widely available...

any celeb can go to the club get pregnant and abort a child like its nothing... thats wrong..

again some prolifers are homophobic.. same with prochoice.. some prolifers dont believe in contraception... i think thats stupid.. some prochoicers believe that women should be able to have late term abortions.. i think thats stupid

it really boils down to who has the better vision for society... prolife wins by a landslide
lol Prolifes vision for society is one based on the way they perceive the bible. if you think thats a better societal vision, move to iran.. they seem to be fond of that whole gov based on religion stuff.
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 Kadillac87 said:
22% of all pregnancies. Half of unwanted pregnancies in end abortion. You saying the rate was that high when abortion was illegal?
Impossible to know. Probably wasn't that high.
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
you're not doing your hw kiddo

look at the election... some states had their abortions limited

NOT ALL PRO LIFERS ARE EXTREME in their views... besides.. no abortions is a much better thing than abortions no questions asked...imo

not all prolifers doent believe in limited abortions... you're not doing your hw...

not all prolifers dont believe in no contraception... do your hw
no sh*t, not every single pro life person doesn't believe in contraception. But the overwhelming majority do not believe in it. The overwhelming majority of their legislative body also doesn't believe in it.

And again saying do your hw and then proceeding to say something stupid that had you done your hw you would of known. Yeah lets look @ the election, you know one of the reasons Romney lost? Women, him and paul ryan and all there stupid "pro life" stances on stuff. Women are afforded the right to chose, lots of women came out and voted for Obama due to that, cause what the pro birth crowd was proposing was dangerous. and you keep talking about how easy it is to get an abortion. you know, in the entire state of either Alabama or Mississippi they have one abortion clinic in the entire state?
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
too bad sonny.... prolife is already winning.. abortion is getting sqeezed to death in most states.. it'll be a thing of the past in 10-15 years..

again, its not about religion... its about being a responsible human being... there is no honor in abortion a child that you know you can take care of..
lol we'll see, its because these state govs are dominated by pro birth legislators who jerrymandered their way into seats. Overwhelming percentage of the country believe abortion should be legal, but i'll let you keep believing your "abortion will be illegal" thing as long as you want. Republicans aren't going to get rid of their best fundraising tool
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
minorities, gays, ... thats mostly it
wrong, try women.
 01-27-2013, 05:38 PM         #93
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 Kadillac87 said:
What happened before we had abortions? The US went to hell in a hand basket right? You act as if abortion in the US has always been here. It's only been legal since 1973. How did we ever cope without it? How did people raise children back then?

My dad came from a single parent household with 10 children. It's possible to raise kids in a difficult situation. It has already been proven. Whether people are willing to do it or not is the question. THe fact is, people will rather take the easy way out.

There are a lot of parents out there who have proven the opposite of what you're saying. So yes, I think your a.ssumptions are illogical when history has already proven it's possible. And there's always other options. If you can't raise your child, there's this thing called adoption.
Ok so il entertain u and pretend we are living the same situations,context,conflicts and environment as people "back then"...whenever that is suppose to be. Even "back in the day" there were parents who were unable to meet their child's needs and kids experienced neglect and/or abuse.....in fact children were abused/neglected so much "back then" that they had to make laws specifically for protecting children and created programs to support families struggling with these kids they weren't ready to care for. How would ending abortion help people in these difficult situations? If she doesn't have stability before the child what is going to change that after the child is born? Oh just give the baby to someone else huh?


What you're sayin is illogical. U want women to have a child that they are unable/unwilling to to give the proper care for,but have no other alternatives for the child other than adoption which may or may not happen.

Ok so lets just say every woman that had abortion decided to put baby up for adoption instead. It not only cost losts of money in medical bills to carry & give birth to babies, but it also puts stress on the body and may stop the female from being able to work,got to school etc. Adopters also have pay alot of money in legal fees etc which most can't afford even tho they really want to take in a child. Who is going to pay for this? Are we goin to just hand babies out to whoever wants it? Will the number of babies exceed the demand for babies? These are the questions u have to ask and consider when lookin at the bigger picture.
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 Maroon_Tiger said:

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yawn, so your response is a time magazine cover?
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
no, pick it up at the store.. abortion is a failing entitlement... slowly getting chopped down to nothing
its an entitlement? lol this guy is too stupid.It has been getting chipped away at, but that is because pro birth politicians gerrymandering their way to safe seats. but the way the gop keeps pushing this stuff, they'll lose more seats.
2014. will be a repeat of 2012, and the future looks better, especially if Texas turns blue.
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ill end this tired convo here cause ive said all that i had to say, with a cartoon that personifies the pro birth crowd.

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 01-27-2013, 06:00 PM         #97
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 NoTitleSince73 said:

All these "pro life' people need to change their name, cause they are pro birth. Once that baby is born they dont give a fu*k what happens to it. Oh thousands of kids dying from hunger? There response is oh well at least they got to live. If that fetus is gay, will they f!ght for it to have a better life? of course not.

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 Maroon_Tiger said:
lets end the political talk... why do you advocate for abortion? and do you feel that it empowers adults and young adults to be responsible in life? does it empower women and men to be responsible mothers and fathers.... and do you think that abortion is missused or abused?
I support it because not every person who gets pregnant is able to/wants to be a parent. I think its misused in some cases, but thats with everything. Now i've never known anyone who misused it, or did it all the time. But people who use abortion as a form of birth control are sh*tty people. but i also think that people demonize it to fulfill their own religious agenda. Idk when people are gonna accept this a secular society, your religious beliefs (whatever they may be) should have no placement in our laws. And yes I think it empowers some adults to be responsible. If you're trying to climb out of poverty, having an unwanted baby is gonna throw a wrench in that plan, now you got someone who is 100 percent dependent on you.
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 *Missy* said:
Ok so il entertain u and pretend we are living the same situations,context,conflicts and environment as people "back then"...whenever that is suppose to be. Even "back in the day" there were parents who were unable to meet their child's needs and kids experienced neglect and/or abuse.....in fact children were abused/neglected so much "back then" that they had to make laws specifically for protecting children and created programs to support families struggling with these kids they weren't ready to care for. How would ending abortion help people in these difficult situations? If she doesn't have stability before the child what is going to change that after the child is born? Oh just give the baby to someone else huh?


What you're sayin is illogical. U want women to have a child that they are unable/unwilling to to give the proper care for,but have no other alternatives for the child other than adoption which may or may not happen.

Ok so lets just say every woman that had abortion decided to put baby up for adoption instead. It not only cost losts of money in medical bills to carry & give birth to babies, but it also puts stress on the body and may stop the female from being able to work,got to school etc. Adopters also have pay alot of money in legal fees etc which most can't afford even tho they really want to take in a child. Who is going to pay for this? Are we goin to just hand babies out to whoever wants it? Will the number of babies exceed the demand for babies? These are the questions u have to ask and consider when lookin at the bigger picture.
Yes, even back in the day, they were parents who couldn't afford their children. Raising children by themselves with the help of welfare. Thank God for mothers like those. Because they sacrificed, they gave their child an opportunity to succeed, an opportunity one would have never had if aborted. Who would be President be right now if all mothers aborted children they weren't ready for?



You can keep citing the costs, effects, etc of a pregnancy but that's the consequences of the actions. You know how much money is lost by people who made bad choices and spent years in jail instead of working. Should we just absolve them from their actions because they don't like the consequences?

If you're arguing for the negation of consequences, then fine. Just make sure you apply it to all situations. If I k!ll somebody and don't want to spend the rest of my life in jail, I shouldn't just based on the fact I don't like the consequences of my actions. That's sound like a great society. Everybody do what they want and if they don't like consequences of their choices, they don't have to endure them.
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
if you believe that then people like you need to change society and the media the following ways

1. dont promote abortion, discourage it
2. dont promote hooking up with no life plan, discourage it
3. promote a healthy image of a relationship, marriage and family and uphold it

the problem is that prochoicers want to keep abortion 100% no questions asked... but at the same time dont f!ght the MACHINE that is society and media to discourage tv content like JERSEY SHORE, BUCKWILD, 106npark, s3xually explicit tv content that kids see... so they're saying LETS ALL HAVE A FREE FOR ALL, and we'll be at the clinic waiting for whatever yall want to get rid of... no need to clean up anything in society..

i think its wrong in the first place for someone to have s3x with no intention of being a parent

is it ok for me to smuggle into the US 10000 kilos of coke with no intention of doing hard time?! will the judge just let me walk if i say that



^ Welcome to 80% of abortionists.. and the people everyone is talking about regarding this issue

i dont agree with you in the topic of religion... people who are pushing a religous agenda are doing it for the betterment of society... YES some people arent christian/catholic... yes some people are atheists... yes some people are hedonists... but the principles behind that religions views would help shame a better america..

the belief that we should keep religion separate from society has gotten us to where we are.. kids getting shot up in movie theaters, elementary schools, pregnancy pacts, hooking up with people we have no plans to marry or date... women aspiring to be baby mama number ___

i get what you're saying about how it CAN empower some people.. but some of those people couldve raised that child.. or put it up for adoption... what k!lls me is the people who dont have the guts to carry the child to term for adoption, have an abortion, but wanna talk down about a baby momma that cant seem to get her life right...
so much nonsense in this post, 80 percent of "abortionists"? really? you got stats to back this up? or just more made up sh*t? and yeah the only reason people get shot in theaters and schools is because of lack of religion in our gov of of the dumber things i hear religious zealots say. and then you go on to the other cliche, media the media its always the media. This is a free country, therefore we shouldn't have to limit what we put on tv, because somewhere some parent isn't doing their job. How about having parents who take the time to let their children not watch that stuff, or to let them know its not the way to live. And what you're saying is that, pro life people should push conservative agenda, ie, the marriage stuff. being married doesn't equate to happiness. I know lots of kids who came from fu*ked up homes with 2 parents. Marriage isn't the be all end all to society's problems, regardless of what idiots like Rick Santorum tell you.
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