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 01-28-2013, 02:56 PM         #181
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Yes, it's not the fetus fault but the fact of the matter is, the only way to k!ll the life that the rapist left inside of her is to k!ll the fetus. There's no other way around it. The rapist lives through the fetus because his DNA helped create it.
This is the biggest crock of bullsh*t ever...

wow..
 5 years ago '11        #182
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 Games Addict said:
This is the biggest crock of bullsh*t ever...

wow..
Now I'll ask you again, what examples do you have in our society that says we are free to infringe on the rights of others due to irresponsibility?

 5 years ago '04        #183
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 Matt504 said:
l know that it's unrealistic to all out ban abortions, but lets discuss the "unwanteds" who are here for a bit.

would you be in favor of a solution to the millions of starving and "unwanted" children that are already here, where parents who DON'T want the children they have already given birth to, can legally have their children euthanized post-birth?

a system where governments could greatly reduce the number of impoverished and unwanteds by peacefully ending their suffering, in the most humanely way Human Rights organizations deem possible.

just asking your personal thoughts.
That's a hard question and I think I would. I've seen people suffer, especially in 3rd world nations. And I would have to elect to euthanize these people over seeing them suffer. But man would that be a tough decision to make.
 5 years ago '04        #184
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 Kadillac87 said:
I answered your question. We will deal with it the same way we dealt with it before. Like I previously said, you think we haven't lived in a society void of legalized abortion? How did we ever manage then?

Did America survive the population boom from the Baby Boomers generation? We already have a system in place to help those who need help. It's called social programs and education. Now you can say these systems need to be refined but don't act like there isn't a system designed to help already.
There are systems in place to handle our current population situation. And they suck. Adding more people to that mix would ultimately call for an overhaul and most likely an entirely new system altogether.

I just don't think that forcing the world to accept these unwanted children is a good thing on so many levels. But if you think that these fetuses deserve to live, then I respect that. I would only ask that we respect a woman's decision, one way or another.
 01-28-2013, 03:20 PM         #185
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Now I'll ask you again, what examples do you have in our society that says we are free to infringe on the rights of others due to irresponsibility?
I didn't claim that. I was pointing out the holes in your logic which you convenient tried to cover up by making sh*t up

Yes, it's not the fetus fault but the fact of the matter is, the only way to k!ll the life that the rapist left inside of her is to k!ll the fetus. There's no other way around it. The rapist lives through the fetus because his DNA helped create it.
The rapist lives through the baby? I thought the baby was its own individual with human rights? That's what YOU said. The fetus is automatically a rapist because its father was? That's what you're indirectly implying. Because of that reason, the fetus should be aborted? So you're in favor of abortion just like I am, the difference being we have different tolerance levels.

I think that if a baby is unwanted, conceived by r*pe, it could be aborted.

You think that if it was conceived by r*pe, it could be aborted.

Either way you look at it, you're contradicting yourself...
 5 years ago '11        #186
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 Games Addict said:
I didn't claim that. I was pointing out the holes in your logic which you convenient tried to cover up by making sh*t up



The rapist lives through the baby? I thought the baby was its own individual with human rights? That's what YOU said. The fetus is automatically a rapist because its father was? That's what you're indirectly implying. Because of that reason, the fetus should be aborted? So you're in favor of abortion just like I am, the difference being we have different tolerance levels.

I think that if a baby is unwanted, conceived by r*pe, it could be aborted.

You think that if it was conceived by r*pe, it could be aborted.

Either way you look at it, you're contradicting yourself...

Now I'll ask you again, what examples do you have in our society that says we are free to infringe on the rights of others due to irresponsibility?



I have already shown other examples widely accepted that coincides with my line of reasoning on when you have and don't have the right to infringe on others.
 01-28-2013, 03:32 PM         #187
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What ar eyou fu*king babbling about you baboon!? I wasn't saying that abortion is okay because of THESE cases where irresponsibility wasn't punished.

I was saying that if the fu*king fetus was unwanted, it shouldn't be forced to live with a family that does nto want it. We should also not force the woman to carry it for 9 months if she doesn't fu*king want to. What if she has other sh*t that needs done? like her fu*king education? her fu*king job? she doesn't fu*kign have to quit sh*t if she doesn't want ot. I don't see how its so fu*king hard to understand you little sh*t!...

Why don't you fu*king talk about YOUR contradiction? You are conveniently ignoring it.

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I quit, at least for the next few hours.
 5 years ago '11        #188
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 Games Addict said:
What ar eyou fu*king babbling about you baboon!? I wasn't saying that abortion is okay because of THESE cases where irresponsibility wasn't punished.

I was saying that if the fu*king fetus was unwanted, it shouldn't be forced to live with a family that does nto want it. We should also not force the woman to carry it for 9 months if she doesn't fu*king want to. What if she has other sh*t that needs done? like her fu*king education? her fu*king job? she doesn't fu*kign have to quit sh*t if she doesn't want ot. I don't see how its so fu*king hard to understand you little sh*t!...

Why don't you fu*king talk about YOUR contradiction? You are conveniently ignoring it.

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I quit, at least for the next few hours.
So you have no other examples, other than abortion, where we say its ok to infringe on the rights of others due to irresponsibility?

Because I can bring up many examples of people being forced to do something based on the consequences of their actions

 5 years ago '09        #189
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 Maroon_Tiger said:
so you'd rather be aborted?
For the first 20 years of my life that would have seemed better than what I was going through. Things got better though. For maaaaaaaany other people that isn't the case. If they even live that long.

Thats why you can't take the option away from people.

The difference between you and I is I want kids to be born to parents who are prepared for and truly want them. You just want every single kid born regardless of this situation they're born into. I'm sorry but you and people who think like you are the biggest hypocrites ever. You just don't have the ability see it because that white light has you blinded as fu*k.


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 5 years ago '11        #190
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 Fras1788 said:
I have tons.


1. Guns (1 person is irresponsible and they want to take them away from everyone)
2. Food (Eating a ton wouldn't make me infringe on others rights, but the gov doesn't want us to eat)
3. Smoking Marijuana in my own home (Illegal) but its my own body
4. Soda and Soda Sizes (Oh i can't buy a 64 oz but i can buy 6 12 ounce sodas )
5. Welfare (where we say they can't buy lotto tickets, or do drugs
6. We fly drones into Pakistan and k!ll innocent people infringing on their right to live
7. Gay Marriage (Not a national law that gays can get married, and that infringes on individual rights, and human rights)

So its obviously a trend to infringe on the rights of others. We do it to people who are living, and breathing on this earth, and actually realize they're alive (unlike a fetus) soooo your point?
None of those infringes on the right to exist due to irresponibility. 6 is your only relevant case and we have things called war crimes that covers willful k!lling of civilians.

7 is in the process of getting changed sooo..

What you have shown though is personal freedom can be restricted when it comes to harming self or others which is the point
 5 years ago '07        #191
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damn this sh*t still going lol
 5 years ago '11        #192
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 minimafiaaj said:
damn this sh*t still going lol
You know the threads I comment on do numbers.
 5 years ago '07        #193
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 Kadillac87 said:
You know the threads I comment on do numbers.

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 01-28-2013, 04:58 PM         #194
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 matelyan said:

So what is your plan of action once an abortion ban is enacted? Say this nation bans abortion. Then what happens to the hundreds, thousands and possibly millions of unwanted children? Who will take up the noble and righteous cause of ensuring these now full grown fetuses continue to maintain their right to life? You win the war on abortion, but now you must face overpopulation, starvation, malnutrition, poor education, increased violence and so on and so fourth. I am not trying to divide anyone or skirt the issue. But I want to ensure that those of you who are truly against abortion are prepared for the outcomes of your actions.

How about instead of mocking me, you answer some of my questions. I don't know what it feels like to be anti-abortion, so I am asking many questions. I don't want to engage in a debate while speaking from a point of view of ignorance.


I been tryin to get the same answers n*ggas keep dancin around it.
 5 years ago '09        #195
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I been tryin to get the same answers n*ggas keep dancin around it.
Cuz they don't care what happens after they're born
 01-28-2013, 05:27 PM         #196
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So you have no other examples, other than abortion, where we say its ok to infringe on the rights of others due to irresponsibility?

Because I can bring up many examples of people being forced to do something based on the consequences of their actions
Why do you keep saying this? I never once claimed that doing that was okay. Furthermore the question of whether or not the human fetus has rights is not easily answered. So your question, which a.ssumes that the fetus DOES have rights, is moot to begin with.

Taking this even further, this whole discussion is really absurd. Why is a fetus a human, but not a zygote? Why is it legal to masturbate when you're effectively k!lling many potential human beings who could have potentially made their way to a woman's egg and then potentially become a fetus... It NEVER had a chaaaaaaaance!

btw, your explanation for why the abortion of a fetus conceived by r*pe is ok is one of the most absurd explanations I've ever heard. You really took it to a new level of stupid brah...
 01-28-2013, 05:41 PM         #197
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 Matt504 said:
would you be in favor of a solution to the millions of starving and "unwanted" children that are already here, where parents who DON'T want the children they have already given birth to, can legally have their children euthanized post-birth?

a system where governments could greatly reduce the number of impoverished and unwanteds by peacefully ending their suffering, in the most humanely way Human Rights organizations deem possible.

just asking your personal thoughts.
I would but hope it won't have to get to that point, which is one of the reasons im for abortion.
 5 years ago '11        #198
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 Games Addict said:
Why do you keep saying this? I never once claimed that doing that was okay. Furthermore the question of whether or not the human fetus has rights is not easily answered. So your question, which a.ssumes that the fetus DOES have rights, is moot to begin with.

Taking this even further, this whole discussion is really absurd. Why is a fetus a human, but not a zygote? Why is it legal to masturbate when you're effectively k!lling many potential human beings who could have potentially made their way to a woman's egg and then potentially become a fetus... It NEVER had a chaaaaaaaance!

btw, your explanation for why the abortion of a fetus conceived by r*pe is ok is one of the most absurd explanations I've ever heard. You really took it to a new level of stupid brah...
You keep saying my logic is stupid because it doesn't agree with yours. So I'm asking for examples of logic that agree with yours. You have yet to give me an example. I guess everybody's logic is stupid and you're the only one that's right huh?

Like I've said before, the human life cycle starts at conception and ends at death. You can give any definition of life you want but this is an undeniable fact. Everywhere else in our society, we say its not right to end a human life cycle just based on irresponsibility and convenience. Abortion is our only exception.

Usually, when something goes against all the standards of society, it means that action is wrong or society is wrong. Do you really think society is wrong for needing more reasoning than irresponsibility and convenience to end a human life cycle?
 5 years ago '04        #199
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 Kadillac87 said:
If personal rights was based on survival without help, all of us would be without it. A child doesn't stop needing help when he/she is born. You think a baby is capable of survival outside of the womb without help? Should a baby not have a right to live now because its still dependent on the mother for survival?

You can try to use different definition about life and when it starts to justify abortion, but it's a fact that the human life cycle starts at conception. You can't be born without being conceived first. You can't be a child without being a baby first. You can't be an adult without being a child first. Growth and development doesn't start outside the womb nor does it ends inside.

If you end a human life cycle outside of the womb, it's called murder. If you end a human life cycle inside the womb, it's called abortion. Both uses external forces to end a human life cycle that would have continued if left alone.
I'm specifically talking about being hooked into someone's circulatory system, not any other kind of help. It's a very different thing.

Also, ending a human life cycle outside of the womb isn't always murder. I don't consider euthanasia to be murder.
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These ignorant mofos just ruined my whole case against abortion. TB, is this you?


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