We Owe Spike Lee a Huge Apology

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 5 years ago '12        #61
ezduzit 9 heat pts
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and also...most people dont know the story about the 1200 black soldiers that were supposedly massacred during WWII....tarantino is also trying to do a movie that plays off of that in "Killer Crow" that is a spinoff of Inglorious Basterds....alot of americans dont know about that story cause the government buried that sh*t deep....if anything, hes bringin exposure to issues that most americans hate to hear or talk about....i dont see how hes closet racist like some close minded people be sayin smh
 5 years ago '06        #62
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Good article but his point can be easily countered. He's saying everybody should give spike lee thanks, that he is responsible for the performances of certain black actors. Idk if I agree, or if Denzel / Halle credit spike lee for being the reason they've received an Oscar.

Spike lee has gotten his recognition/ respect/ and props, just cus he don't wanna support django, doesn't mean this shoulda became a story as it has
 5 years ago '10        #63
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Good read....but everyone should know this already unless you're a troll on Boxden
 5 years ago '05        #64
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damn good read and good point, ,much props deserved for this
 5 years ago '12        #65
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Ok were apologizing for when he put that fake address of ZImmerman up and had people mobbin some old couples house on some beauty and the beast sh*t?? Oh not that? Ok
 5 years ago '04        #66
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 r.burgundy said:
you cant inform everyone some people are just to ignorant to be informed
 01-23-2013, 07:24 PM         #67
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QT always degraded blks in his movies...the use of the word makes no sense, he just throw it in there just to do
 5 years ago '10        #68
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GREAT FREAKING ARTICLE
 5 years ago '08        #69
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 NvrCMyNut said:
do white & black people ever stop whining over petty sh*t?

can't wait till america is a hispanic country
fu*kin right. Tacos, siestas, big a.sses

 MosDefinition said:
you cant inform everyone some people are just to ignorant to be informed

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 5 years ago '04        #70
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After seeing the movie (I wanted to watch it because I like most QT flicks, and Christoph Waltz>>>>), I definitely understand Spike Lee's point as to why he didn't want to see the film. Again, lets not ignore an important part of this editorial, that Spike had already read the script before the movie, so him seeing the movie is not really relevant if he's read the script.

While I was watching the movie, I noticed that I began to compartmentalize how I felt during the flick and after watching. It certainly is a great movie in terms of acting, cinematography, storytelling, etc... all of the (for lack of better terms) "technical" aspects of the film. However, it felt very awkward watching some of the scenes in the movie... the big house where Don Johnson was the pimp/slave owner "Big Daddy". Hearing the character Betina call him Big Daddy while he called her his ****** bi*ch definitely struck a negative chord with me, as did the scenes with the Black men f!ghting to the death at the behest of DiCaprio's character, and sicking the dogs on the slave who climbed up the tree.

Yes, this movie does trivialize slavery in my opinion, especially when you add 2Pac and Rick Ross to the score. This is worth mentioning because hip hop, for all the good it is and has done and has the potential to do, has been used as a tool in exploiting the Black American populace, as well as creating and reinforcing stereotypes of Black people in America. Adding any comedic spin to a one of the most vile periods in American History, whose impact is felt both systematically and systemically to this very day, is in effect marginalizing the enslavement and brutalization of Black people in America; and it is a further insult to use a term whose history is rooted in discrimination towards Blacks as a way to facilitate the comedic aspect of a movie whose setting is a recreation of the darkest hour in this nations history.
 01-23-2013, 07:30 PM         #71
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 5 years ago '10        #72
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 Msirae said:
At the end of the day this movie got everyone talking about slavery in ways that haven't been talked about for decades. Plus the movie is raw, QT da god.
People are NOT discussing slavery. People are making arguments to use the N word. These two discussions are so not the same
 5 years ago '07        #73
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I remember a few years back seeing Spike Lee speak at a church during Thanksgiving and he said "kids are starving these days", while wearing a gold chain with a diamond crusted Jesus cross around his neck. C'mon Spike... :jacmonson:
 5 years ago '08        #74
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 zhiggeman said:
nice write up but still pointless. Spike lee from back in the day has been long gone. Its funny the writer says he didn't do those movies for oscars when in fact that was why he did the story 4 little girls. Spike lost sight of what BLACK people wanted to see along time ago. While the same guy that wrote do the right thing, school daze, and jungle fever has appeared to have WAKEN UP (pun to what he use to say in his BLACK movies), he doesn't hold his tongue to critize other peoples work but you feel we should apologize to him because we critized his opinion of someone else work? riiiight..

the problem with black cienma and directors is they lack vision. they use the same tired subjects and play off the same old race angles. fu*k i know i'm black why do i have to watch a movie about black people that i have never met or will ever meet outside of watching your dumb a.ss movie? make some sci fi sh*t, make some other worldly sh*t, be creative. answer me this.. why is it easy to believe a white person is in a movie is rich and well to do, but when its a black person you automatically a.ssume drugs are involved? your mind says oh he sold dope to get that fly a.ss car and crib, yet with the white guy no explanation is needed? spike is guilty of such travestieis.. he needs to grow up content wise as should all directors.. not even going to mention marlon wayans scary movie
Your viewing habits might have something to do with your opinion. Just because you watch the lowest form of entertainment doesn't mean you should be an as*hole. Watch better films d!ck head.

To the point the article is great and right how the fu*k do you call a guy that was the only guy making black movies an uncle Tom? Like I said from jump I know why he feels the way he feels and I can respect his opinion, it's his life. Not one time did Spike say you shouldn't support the film or QT(who was givin a role in one of spikes films) he just said he didn't want to see it.


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 5 years ago '08        #75
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 Bullseye said:
I remember a few years back seeing Spike Lee speak at a church during Thanksgiving and he said "kids are starving these days", while wearing a gold chain with a diamond crusted Jesus cross around his neck. C'mon Spike... :jacmonson:
Was he drinking his vodka?
 5 years ago '07        #76
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 MosDefinition said:
i saw the movie 1 it sucked 2 it was to long second most of the acting was awful from sam jacksons uncle ruckus impersonation to dicaprios sh*tty louisiana accent
Wasn't a Louisiana accent at all...
 5 years ago '04        #77
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funny thing about pulp fiction his wife was black
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 dog4life said:
funny thing about pulp fiction his wife was black
So was Mr Orange's partner in Resevoir Dogs.
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 zhiggeman said:
the problem with black cienma and directors is they lack vision. they use the same tired subjects and play off the same old race angles. fu*k i know i'm black why do i have to watch a movie about black people that i have never met or will ever meet outside of watching your dumb a.ss movie? make some sci fi sh*t, make some other worldly sh*t, be creative. answer me this.. why is it easy to believe a white person is in a movie is rich and well to do, but when its a black person you automatically a.ssume drugs are involved? your mind says oh he sold dope to get that fly a.ss car and crib, yet with the white guy no explanation is needed? spike is guilty of such travestieis.. he needs to grow up content wise as should all directors.. not even going to mention marlon wayans scary movie
This.

That the main problem with black directors. They stick to the same sh*t.
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 r.burgundy said:
its stupid to somebody who doesnt understand what is bein said.
and judgin by tha bolded u still clearly dont understand.spike didnt attack django or tarrantino.he just said he wont watch a slave movie that isnt true to tha source.he didnt make it a qt issue,or a n*gga issue,so their is really nothin to criticize in his statement

No, you dont understand because my comment wasn't just for what Spike said about Django but his history of critical remarks period along with the general concept of everyone being entitled to an opinion and a response to an opinion. It's not that hard to grasp.

but either way him saying that a spaghetti western is disrespectful to his ancestors is criticism of the film whether you want to consider it direct or indirect.

and any type of opinion on a topic can be criticized. Why ? because it's a subjective opinion, not a fact.



 <<InphDigi>> said:
After seeing the movie (I wanted to watch it because I like most QT flicks, and Christoph Waltz>>>>), I definitely understand Spike Lee's point as to why he didn't want to see the film. Again, lets not ignore an important part of this editorial, that Spike had already read the script before the movie, so him seeing the movie is not really relevant if he's read the script.

While I was watching the movie, I noticed that I began to compartmentalize how I felt during the flick and after watching. It certainly is a great movie in terms of acting, cinematography, storytelling, etc... all of the (for lack of better terms) "technical" aspects of the film. However, it felt very awkward watching some of the scenes in the movie... the big house where Don Johnson was the pimp/slave owner "Big Daddy". Hearing the character Betina call him Big Daddy while he called her his ****** bi*ch definitely struck a negative chord with me, as did the scenes with the Black men f!ghting to the death at the behest of DiCaprio's character, and sicking the dogs on the slave who climbed up the tree.

Yes, this movie does trivialize slavery in my opinion, especially when you add 2Pac and Rick Ross to the score. This is worth mentioning because hip hop, for all the good it is and has done and has the potential to do, has been used as a tool in exploiting the Black American populace, as well as creating and reinforcing stereotypes of Black people in America. Adding any comedic spin to a one of the most vile periods in American History, whose impact is felt both systematically and systemically to this very day, is in effect marginalizing the enslavement and brutalization of Black people in America; and it is a further insult to use a term whose history is rooted in discrimination towards Blacks as a way to facilitate the comedic aspect of a movie whose setting is a recreation of the darkest hour in this nations history.

The film had slavery AND comedy yes, but it didn't portray slavery itself in a comedic fashion. I think it's stupid to say " you can't have any controversial subjects in movie that has comedic moments, even if they're distinctly separate"

I think people are over analyzing the movie. It's a really simple movie to understand and take in, so if the majority of black folk loved the movie including people like d!ck Gregory, that says something.

I dont think it marginalizes or trivializes slavery in any way because the depictions of slavery in the movie are very raw and for some even hard to watch and never directly put in a comedic tone.

Every brutal aspect of slavery displayed in the movie from Broohilda getting whipped to the Mandingo's f!ghting to the death to D'Artagnan being ripped apart by dogs was put over a very somber and serious tone.

The reason why most black people ( or most people period) loved the movie was because it realistically showed the brutality of slavery while still being able to be entertaining. If you polled most black people who watched the movie and asked them " Would you like for all the comedy to be taken out" I'm sure most of them would say No because it's what made the movie entertaining and black folk love to laugh.

I think anyone who knows how to distinguish the purpose of each element of the movie can see that the comedy doesn't trivialize the depictions of slavery in it in any way IMO.


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