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 01-30-2014, 09:49 AM         #2721
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 4 years ago '05        #2722
Junior G 114 heat pts114 OP
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McClain didn't want to greyshirt
 4 years ago '08        #2723
904Nole 1 heat pts
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Well...Bye.
 4 years ago '05        #2724
MysticKJ 28 heat pts28
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 Flo State said:
McClain was a Pruitt boy. Pruitt was the reason we got Daub and McClain. I'm hearing rumors about Daub as well...
Isn't Daub already signed as an Early Enrollee?
 4 years ago '08        #2725
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 MysticKJ said:
Isn't Daub already signed as an Early Enrollee?
He is.
 4 years ago '05        #2726
Junior G 114 heat pts114 OP
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Yea daub already takin classes
 4 years ago '04        #2727
UnFaZeD 
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I saw a couple tweets saying Daub was academically ineligible but then i saw a couple more rebutting those tweets.
 01-30-2014, 10:58 AM         #2728
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Florida State has parted ways with three-star defensive line recruit Blake McClain. McClain was one of FSU's longest-standing commitments, and one of its lowest-rated.

Sources told Tomahawk Nation that the decision was made over the weekend while McClain was on his official visit to Tallahassee. McClain denied those claims when asked by Tomahawk Nation about the status of his recruitment on Janury 26.


Yah man everything is good
Nope im #NoleNation all day!

But Noles247 confirmed with McCLain's coach Thursday ($).


"He just felt uncomfortable with the new situation and (former defensive coordinator) Jeremy (Pruitt) not being there," Geis said.

"What they want to do with him, he is uncomfortable with that," Geis added. "It is different than what they were going to do when Jeremy was there."

I do not believe that to be the true reason McClain decommitted. While he did have the strong connection with Pruitt, there is no reason to believe FSU's plans for how it would have used McClain would have changed, as both defensive line coaches remain on staff and the scheme is not changing substantially. I believe this is a high school coach covering for his player.
 01-30-2014, 11:01 AM         #2729
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Pruitt didn't want him at Georgia.

Jeremy Pruitt might have a black mark beside his name for some Florida State fans after the defensive coordinator left the Seminoles on Tuesday for a similar position at Georgia.

That’s not the case for 2014 FSU commit Blake McClain, a defensive end at Jacksonville Sandalwood.

McClain said he spoke with Pruitt about 4 p.m., Tuesday.

“He told me, ‘Florida State is the place for you to go,’ and he wished me the best of luck,” McClain said. “It just shows he is a real upstanding guy and I really do appreciate that call.”


McClain, a 6-foot-3, 257-pound defensive end, said Pruitt was instrumental in his recruitment to FSU.

“It was a little bit of a disappointment, but for the most part I don’t think much has changed,” McClain said.

While McClain said he remains committed to FSU, he will listen to all comers, and he said North Carolina defensive coordinator Dan Disch was the first to contact him since Pruitt’s decision to leave.

“I feel kind of good about it,” McClain said of other schools reaching out to him. He also expects he might hear from Florida, Virginia Tech and Miami. “I’m not really sure exactly what I’m going to do at this point, so it will be good to have other colleges give me a call so I can talk with them.”

McClain, a Sandalwood teammate of linebackler Kain Daub, committed to the Seminoles in March of last year. Daub, who is one of four early 2014 enrollees at FSU, committed in January.
 01-30-2014, 11:10 AM         #2730
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understand that this might be over the heads of some of our readership, but another portion has been clamoring for this, so I'll try to make it both simple and comprehensively responsive.

Most recruiting websites currently list Florida State as having 28 verbal commitments from recruits. In reality, that number is closer to 26, because three-star receiver JoJo Robinson is really not being recruited right now by Florida State, isn't taking an official visit to Tallahassee, and is expected by almost everyone to flip elsewhere.

More: Florida State recruiting board| National Signing Day Preview: Tight End| National Signing Day Preview: Running Back

Even with 26 current commitments, FSU is still actively pursuing about eight prospects.

The maximum number of new players FSU can enroll in school in time for football season is 30. Why 30? Every school can enroll 25 players in the fall semester each year. The extra five come from players who enrolled for the spring semester who can be counted back against the previous year's limit if a school had a shortage (FSU did.)

Visually:

-5 signees (Dalvin Cook, Trey Marshall, Kain Daub, Kareem Are, Steven Gabbard) enrolled in January and count against the 2013 recruiting class

-25 signees will enroll in the fall and will fill up the 25 cap for 2014.

Can FSU sign more than 30?

Yes. There is a lot of misinformation about this floating around. The number of players a team can enroll is controlled by the NCAA. The number of players a team may sign is controlled by the conference. While the SEC does have a rule limiting signees (because some of its schools were really outside the spirit of the system), the ACC does not have such a rule, nor does it need one.

There is certainty in FSU's class right now in that it will end up being an excellent class. But there is a lot of uncertainty as to who will end up in the class. Four of Florida State's current 26 are still talking with other teams, which means they are not 100-percent committed. Another six are players who may have issues qualifying academically.

If FSU keeps its current 26, and five more players want to sign on National Signing Day, FSU can absolutely sign 31.

The best way to do so is via a "grayshirt." A grayshirt is when a player signs, but delays his enrollment until the spring semester, counting not against the cap of 25 coming in for the current year (here, 2014), but against the cap for the following year (2015).

Grayshirting often gets a bad name in the media. But there are good grayshirts and bad grayshirts. When Florida's president Bernie Machen spoke out against grayshirting, he was referring to the bad type of grayshirt (though I cannot be sure that he was aware of the nuances).


Imagine the feeling if the student finds out, literally a few months before enrolling, that the institution is backing out of the contract. It is too late in the summer to go back to one's second choice. The student is told he will have to wait until next year. Sorry, but no acceptance, no scholarship. That's it.

In Division I college football this practice is known as "grayshirting" and, unfortunately, there are universities that sanction this activity. The universities, with full knowledge of what they are doing, extend more athletic scholarships than they have. These schools play roulette with the lives of talented young people. If they run out of scholarships, too bad. The letter-of-intent signed by the university the previous February is voided. Technically, it's legal to do this. Morally, it is reprehensible.

I am in lockstep with Machen as it concerns grayshirts of a surprise nature after a prospect has signed.

That is not what I am referring to. I'm talking about grayshirting with notice. Nick Saban addressed this after Machen spoke out. I cannot speak to Saban's truthfulness, but his theory is absolutely correct.


"We have never grayshirted a guy here who when he decided to come here didn't know the circumstances that we were going to take him at the University of Alabama," Saban said. "The reason is sometimes academic, the reason is sometimes physical development and maturity, but never has a player not known (he might be grayshirted). We have never not done it up front, so the player comes here with the idea that ‘I'm going to start school in January.'"

In that year, some of Saban's players agreed to such an offer with advance notice, but another did not, instead electing to switch to another school that offered him fall enrollment.

Who would be likely to accept such a grayshirt? Players who are unlikely to make contributions during their freshman years, and specifically, players with whom a school has some leverage.

And right now as the National Champions, FSU has a lot of leverage. Players want to be a part of the program. It could, if it wants to sign more than 30, tell some of the players who are not guaranteed to be academically qualified that it would like them to consider delaying their enrollment by a semester.

But Not every player will take that deal. Some will elect to take offers from lesser programs who have space for fall enrollment. That's the potential downside for FSU. Of course, even broaching the subject of potentially grayshirting with a prospect is a potentially touchy subject that could anger the recruit, so the school must be careful about selecting who it wants to grayshirt, if anyone.

The key is that this sort of arrangement must be made with proper notice.

Springing this sort of thing on a player after he has signed his letter of intent is unfair and probably unethical, though not actually against any rule of which I am aware.

But notice is key. If a player has notice that he may be grayshirted before he signs his NLOI, then the signing signifies that he is willing to potentially give up fall enrollment for a chance to eventually be a part of the program -- a chance he may not have otherwise had if he didn't agree to such a possibility.

Note: I use "possibility" because even players who have agreed to the possibility of grayshirting might not have to end up grayshirting if others in the class slated to enroll in fall fail to qualify, this creating open spots for fall enrollment.

Notice also gives a player time to look around and consider his options, take visits to other schools, etc. It ensures that he is making an informed decision.

When dealing with such a large signing class as a result of space being created by sending so many players to the NFL over the last two cycles, grayshirting is a practical, effective, and if executed with proper notice, ethical way to manage numbers in such a class.
 01-30-2014, 11:15 AM         #2731
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Newberg Class (positions based on where listed in projections)

QB
Four-star QB JJ Cosentino
Four-star QB/ATH Treon Harris

RB
Five-star RB Dalvin Cook
Three-star RB Jonathan Vickers

WR
Five-star WR Malachi Dupre
Five-star WR Travis Rudolph
Four-star WR Ermon Lane

TE:
Four-star TE Mavin Saunders
Four-star TE Ryan Izzo

OL
Four-star OT Roderick Johnson
Four-star OT Chad Mavety
Four-star OG Kareem Are
Three-star OG Corey Martinez
Three-star OC Alec Eberle
Three-star OT Brock Ruble
Three-star OT Ethan Frith

DL
Four-star DL Malik McDowell
Four-star DT Derrick Nnadi
Four-star DL Dexter Wideman
Four-star DT Demarcus Christmas
Three-star SDE Rick Leonard
Three-star DT Adam Torres
Three-star DT Arthur Williams
Three-star DT Fredrick Jones

LB
Four-star OLB Jacob Pugh
Four-star ILB Delvin Purifoy
Four-star ILB Kain Daub

DB
Four-star DB J.C. Jackson (if he visits)
Three-star DB Malique Jackson
Four-star DB Trey Marshall

ATH/ST
Two-star LS Stephen Gabbard


Chris Nee Class Predictions:

Same except instead of Dupre we get Four-star Javon Harrison. Nee projects we miss on Wideman and Mcdowell as well.
 01-30-2014, 11:18 AM         #2732
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The numbers for Newberg's class projections mean two players would have to greyshirt (left off Featherston on accident I believe). I'm guessing Jones would be a lock for a grey shirt and maybe one of the underrated OL recruits. Just throwing my two cents in.
 4 years ago '05        #2733
MysticKJ 28 heat pts28
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 Flo State said:
WR
Five-star WR Malachi Dupre
Five-star WR Travis Rudolph
Four-star WR Ermon Lane
if that were to happen, the rest of the country is fu*ked...still have Greene/O'leary

 4 years ago '05        #2734
Junior G 114 heat pts114 OP
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Steve Lorenz said...

I've been contemplating it for a bit, but tonight I switched my Crystal Ball on Malik McDowell from Michigan to Florida State.

I will say this: NOBODY knows what is fully going in this situation. Brady Hoke has an in-home visit with him and his family tomorrow, and I imagine they will try to convince him to take his official to Michigan this weekend instead of Ohio State. If he's successful, I may flip back to Michigan. I don't necessarily believe he will be able to do that.

Malik likes Michigan State, but his parents do not. I think his parents will have a say in this one. They like Michigan, but Malik does not seem to be high on them at this point. Ohio State is sort of in the middle, but I don't think his parents like them either, and I don't know if he likes them enough.

Sort of a situation where McDowell may end up in a spot where everyone is happy. Distance is the only concern here. If FSU can overcome that obstacle, I think he's theirs. I've been covering Malik for almost two years now, so I figured I'd post this.
 4 years ago '05        #2735
Junior G 114 heat pts114 OP
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Good for #FSU, #OSU RT @MGoBlew Per Sam Webb, McDowell's mom didn't even bother to attend the in-home MSU had with Malik.

 4 years ago '08        #2736
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this class is lookin pretty stacked.


nnadi AND mcdowell?!?

the 3 top wideouts?!?!?!?!?!?!??


jimbo is a special forces k!ller with this recruiting. he keeps losing coaches before NSD and dont even sweat. watch him get it done 904
 4 years ago '05        #2737
Junior G 114 heat pts114 OP
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"Travis Rudolph says all these rumors about him taking a last minute visit to Florida or Miami are untrue. He is signing with FSU"
 4 years ago '08        #2738
904Nole 1 heat pts
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People want Rudolph to flip so bad lol. Everyday it's a new rumor.
 4 years ago '11        #2739
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LSU is really desperate for Dupre. I think they see the writing on the wall.
 4 years ago '04        #2740
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I'm good with a bunch of 3 and 4 star recruits.. 5 Star recruits tend to think everything is supposed to be handed to them where as the 3 and 4 star guys tend to work a little harder to showcase that they deserved that extra star or 2..IMO.. With that said.. I'm liking what I'm seeing from this class thus far..
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