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 5 years ago '04        #161
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 Dos-effect said:
Okay I do have the right to bear arms in America today, but do I take up that right, no I don't. I side with gun advocates to a degree. In the sense of personal protection, a fire arm in the home yes I feel that would be necessary for any man or woman of a family to have because there are some crazy fu*king people in the world. But do I side with the right to go out and buy any gun that's on the market regardless of the sensibility of it. No I don't. You don't need a chopper to stop someone from breaking in your home, you don't need a 1oo round clip to go hunting with, the only thing guns of that nature are meant for is shooting a massive amounts of bullets at one time in large areas of targets. Why anyone would be an advocate of that is mind blowing to me. The argument that simply because its a rights then it should be allowed is ridiculous. When we look at guns of that nature we have to look at the civilian purpose. What is the civilian purpose at this time for these types of guns, who are regular Americans planning on arming themselves from?
Semi-automatic rifles have a lot of purposes, both for hunting and sport shooting. 100 round magazines? Not so much. Regardless, the point is that in 2010 for instance, rifles made up 350 out of 9,000 gun-related homicides. Handguns made up 7,000+ out of 9,000. This whole argument against semi-automatic rifles is a giant moot fu*king point, because they aren't traditionally what people use to murder other people, nor did they provide any "advantage" to the recent shooter in Connecticut, due to the fact he was shooting a bunch of helpless little 6 year olds. It's a bullsh*t sensationalist debating point that the news media is feeding everyone on repeat. If you ban these kinds of rifles, you will not see crime go down. You will not see gun homicides go down. You will not see school shootings go down. It's the equivalent of putting on a band-aid, and not even getting it on the wound.

 Dos-effect said:
There is a anti-gun sentiment in this country, the main reason is people are tired of people dying behind guns shots. This is not a government outcry, its the American public. The family members of people who were lost to guns, the people who have to wake up every day knowing that their loved ones are no longer here because some fool with a gun shot them to death. And for others its resonates deeply because they fear that it could be their child, or their father, or the mother who was taken in that manor. Most guns that are used to k!ll people are not obtained by due process, they are purchased illegally intentionally because they are untraceable. Preventing the sales of guns is not going to stop shootings in this country. So how exactly would the government be able to do this. You keep attempting to drive this point into the ground that they want our guns but you've offered no real legislation of this being true. People talk, people have been talking for years but nothing has ever really happen has it?
I agree with you on this one. I've been saying this. It won't do anything to stop the violence, because it's not addressing why people are being violent, nor is it empowering anyone to stop those who decide to be violent.

You're wrong about there not being any legislation though. Google it. There's a huge push in congress to reinstate the old "assault weapons ban". It's a worthless piece of legislation that pretends that limiting people to 10 rounds a magazine will prevent them from being able to go on shooting sprees. It's a joke. It's a bunch of bullsh*t drawn up by a bunch of soft, privileged white politicians, who don't know anything about guns or gun f!ghts. I can reload an AR and close the bolt in 3 seconds flat on a bad day. I'm just as, if not quicker at reloading a handgun. Columbine was carried out with weapons that were legal under the a.ssault weapons ban. Virginia Tech was carried out with weapons that would have been legal under the a.ssault weapons ban, and furthermore the police found 17 empty magazines in the school. Forcing the shooter to reload 17 times didn't do a thing to stop the worst casualty rate a single gunman has ever inflicted in U.S history.

 Dos-effect said:
You originally proposed the idea of there being no connection with race and guns, I proved it, you dodged it and are still attempting to dodge it. Moving on
I absolutely did not EVER say that gun laws and race have never found each other crossing paths. What I said was that guns and race have nothing to do with the reason why many Americans are so adamant about not having their rights infringed upon. Apples to oranges.

 Dos-effect said:
You are double talking, I painted a clear portrait of the particular demographic of gun consumers I was referring too. I in no way insinuated that all whites have this mind frame, however for a good majority of conservative America the statement holds true. I mean we watch fox, I'm sure some us listen to the conservative talk shows, the programs are FILLED with talks of 2 Americas and drastic change needing to happen. Talks of getting rid of Obama by any means necessary and doing away with the dirty liberals, etc, etc. This is not a fabricated idealism that I have formed in my head. There is a large group of people who think like this who believe that this country is failing and failing fast. They are pro civil war, they anti unity, and feel they need to prepare themselves for end of their civil liberties. Those types of people are dangerous. I mean dude you have seen the pictures of the lynchings with all the whites standing around smiling, I don't put that notion past these type of people. Because its these same types of people who are making the most noise in this gun control issues. In regards to your "humble honesty" Ill just pretend like this is not the first time you have typed a statement without throwing loose intangible "facts" around recklessly. Like the Indians and the disease statement you made earlier in the thread.
Brother, it has always been this way. We've seen this kind of polarity through out American history. I remember not too long ago when it was the other way around, and the threat of the mighty neo-cons threatened to destroy the fabric of our society. I remember personally thinking that there was a very realistic chance that someone was going to attempt to a.ssassinate George Bush. I think you have to look from the other side of the looking glass, and be vigilant in using historical reference. Things are never as bad as they seem. We are not on the cusp of civil war, and these gun rights advocates do not want to hurt Americans. They just want their rights, and admittedly some of them are indeed very scared of change. However irrational they may be in their fear at times, I don't think their intentions are malicious.

 Dos-effect said:
The videos were not to mock conservatives but more to shed light on the though process of these people that you are taking up for. Adding more to my argument in hopes of shedding light on my consensus, however you didn't watch them but you still comment that I'm lost in horsesh*t. Will how exactly do you comment on a video that you didn't even watch? With as much audacity to blast me for presenting you with evidence to support my beliefs? Very ignorant on your part. I could take a video camera in any neighborhood in America and find ignorance, but would the conversation recorded even pertain to our conversation? The videos I presented did, but your so busy already knowing the point that I am making that you didn't even take timeto break down the significance of why they were posted.
I didn't comment on the videos themselves, I commented on the point of your argument, which was an attempt to demonstrate how stupid "right wingers" are. And yes, the conversation would pertain to ours, if you went around your neighborhood and asked people what they thought about the government. I stand by what I said, which served to prove that people all over the country are completely ignorant of what's going on. Nobody really knows the news. Nobody understands the three branches of our government. Hell, people in this country can't even grasp geography worth a fu*k.

 Dos-effect said:
As opposed to what? Regardless of the grounds that the party was formed they DO exist, right or wrong? And their movement has manifested its way into congress, right or wrong? And their members are largely anti-government intrusion right? Their members are mostly older white Americans? They support the 2nd Amendment immensely do they not? So a group whose numbers range somewhere near 40 million, has members of its party in Congress, and has the Republican party scared sh*tless of a over take in power is a fringe outfit? That is interesting to say the least.
Show me where the Tea Party numbers 40 million, and I'll concede that you have a point. I just don't buy that. That number is WAY too high.

 Dos-effect said:
Well what do you call this little Mitt Romney act your pulling now? All of sudden he is a social moderate........but I digress
You're comparing me to Mitt Romney? I'm not even going to dignify that dumb sh*t with a response.

 Dos-effect said:
Well have you ever argued so passionately against them? You and alot of people for that matter. Your right guns have been a problem in the urban community for many decades. Communities that I am far more closer to then you might I add. The city I grew up in the 80's was the murder capitol of the world. I'll admit I was to young to fully grasp the understanding of what that meant, but I understood the pain people felt when they were loosing their family members to gang violence. My disdain for guns existed long before Newton or Columbine. I had to walk through metal detectors just to get in my middle school.
Were the guns to blame?

 Dos-effect said:
White America did not cue the want for guns to be taking off the streets, as it was the majority of them who did not and still do not care about violence in inner city black neighborhoods.
What I said about you taking your cue from white people, had to do with the fact that you're only talking about the subject because some white kids got shot up. Not only that, but you're siding with a bunch of fu*king morons who think limiting magazine capacity, regardless of the fact that there's millions of high capacity magazines floating around out there, is going to somehow miraculously stop school shootings.

And you're right to a degree. They don't care about getting guns off the streets. But we're not talking about taking guns off the streets. We're talking about the creation of gun laws that serve to limit our rights. White people don't talk about getting guns off the streets because all of these predominately white politicians don't want to admit that all of the legislation they've imposed to try and do that, have absolutely fu*king failed. They don't want to admit that even when you virtually outlaw firearms altogether in a particular area, the black market for firearms makes a k!lling, and people who want to k!ll still get their hands on firearms and use them against other people.
 5 years ago '04        #162
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 Dos-effect said:
Plenty of kids die everyday by hand guns and there is no mention of them on nation news channels, but I'm not upset with that. Because that's the way America has always been. My question to you is why are you still supporting gun laws when you can see the effects of these murders as well as I can? Once all this talk dies down(probably right around the time the fiscal cliff bullsh*t gets dealt with behind closed doors) people in Chicago will still be dying, but that's okay as long as Billy Bob can keep play into his fantasy world where Captain Planet Obama coming to take his guns away huh
It's ironic that you ask that, because Chicago has a virtual ban on all handguns. The question is, why should I support gun laws that restrict everyone's rights on a federal level, when it clearly doesn't fu*king work in areas like Chicago where the idea for such legislation comes from? If you want to save Chicago, you have to save them from themselves. Outlawing guns hasn't done a fu*king thing. You have to motivate people to not want to k!ll each other. Guns are not the problem, people are. It's a social issue. It's incredibly naive and childish to think that ink on paper will save the world from violence and murder. It's not about Billy Bob playing into a fantasy, it's about everyone's inalienable rights. It's about addressing the huge and on-going coincidences of all these kids fu*ked up on anti-depression pills, going around k!lling people. It's about educating people how to build communities, instead of tearing them apart.

 Dos-effect said:
Again most gun deaths in America are committed by people who illegally obtained the guns. The kid stole the guns from his mom, regulations on gun purchases is not the problem. Banning semi-automatic guns for civilians is just common sense, I mean I have yet to see aliens come down from the sky and the average American has to use their Bush Master to save the world......I mean dude be serious....the only time you hear about the usage of these types of guns is in mass k!llings, shoot outs, or drive by's. Its just greediness, nobody needs all the fire power period. So some kid shoots up a school with a 22, tragic indeed......but how many bullets can that kid let off before he has to reload......people get the chance to run, possibly fend him off, or not die by multiple gun shots. I mean the kids were riddled with bullets. And this is where reality comes in. Instead of admitting that at least these types of weapons need to be seriously mandated for the average civilian you would rather debate the necessity for these types of people to have more guns, that shoot more rounds. and do more damage. Getting these types of guns out of the hands of gang bangers, sh*t for brains racist, and unstable adults is perhaps the best way to began combating these types of incidents. So what automatic guns may still be brought illegally........the odds of someone obtaining it that way and using it to slaughter people is alot better then the country allowing the sale of the damn things in mass amounts. Like most of these idiots are John Mc'Clain...........in all honesty wtf are they going to do with them?
Ya see, this is where your true colors are showing. You're completely outing yourself as someone who doesn't believe in personal liberty. This paragraph here is proof that you don't know anything about the history of mass k!llings in this country, nor about gun f!ghting in general. As I said earlier, rifles make up a tiny fraction of gun related homicides. Furthermore, your argument is rooted in ammo capacity. Caliber is a negligible variable when you're talking about shooting unarmored, soft targets from close range. Given all of that important information, banning semi-automatic rifles is not only a dumb a.ss knee-jerk reaction, but a completely ignorant, senseless and pointless one. As far as the argument over ammo capacity? Again, as I've already said... It's fu*king stupid. Forcing a shooter to reload does not change the dynamics of shooting unarmed, unarmored targets. Virginia Tech is proof. The dude set the fu*king record for shooting people and he reloaded 17 fu*king times.
 12-30-2012, 05:43 PM         #163
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Ya see, this is where your true colors are showing. You're completely outing yourself as someone who doesn't believe in personal liberty. This paragraph here is proof that you don't know anything about the history of mass k!llings in this country, nor about gun f!ghting in general. As I said earlier, rifles make up a tiny fraction of gun related homicides. Furthermore, your argument is rooted in ammo capacity. Caliber is a negligible variable when you're talking about shooting unarmored, soft targets from close range. Given all of that important information, banning semi-automatic rifles is not only a dumb a.ss knee-jerk reaction, but a completely ignorant, senseless and pointless one. As far as the argument over ammo capacity? Again, as I've already said... It's fu*king stupid. Forcing a shooter to reload does not change the dynamics of shooting unarmed, unarmored targets. Virginia Tech is proof. The dude set the fu*king record for shooting people and he reloaded 17 fu*king times.
Please spare me the "personal liberty" bullsh*t. You have a personal liberty to own a gun, but you don't have a liberty to own a weapon that is manufactured to fire 180 round per minute. That's a privilege. And you don't invoke privilege to someone that you see doesn't know how to handle it. If you have a 16 year old child that has just got his driver's license by law he is at liberty to drive, but if the kid is out driving recklessly, drinking and driving, and catching tickets left and right you are going to take away his privilege to drive right? Its common fu*king sense, you keep trying to argue about constitutional rights like your some kind of fu*king robot. Sensibly we have to begin to change the culture and the nature of how we view guns in this country. If your only answer is to make a ploy for people to back off of gun owners, then your solution is ineffective.

What is personal liberties anyway? By definition: the liberty of an individual to do his or her will freely except for those restraints imposed by law to safeguard the physical, moral, political, and economic welfare of others.

Again except for those restraints imposed by law to safeguard the physical, moral, political, and economic welfare of others. ..............from wiki......In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 66.9% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[4] There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[5] Just over half of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[6] with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 suicide deaths, and 12,632 (40.5%) homicide deaths.[7]

Almost 70 percent of all homicides where perpetrated using a firearm......but these statistics don't matter and are not all alarming? This is the real problem with guns in America, the people who are actually dying. Your whole 2 post rant about the government being the enemy and needing protection is all made up propaganda bullsh*t. We have a gun problem in this country specifically gun murders. And our laws need to be updated to combat this issues. If that somehow equates to a government take over for you..........fine.....just sit back be quiet and let the adults handle it. And this knee jerk reaction has been in affect for years but the mandates were relaxed thanks to the American patriotism of the good ole NRA right?
Just cause we are Americans does not mean we have to be f*gs to the rest of the world or ourselves. A ban on the legal sales of semi automatics is a start..........not the end all to be all by any means, but it is a start......I mean if you love guns why wouldn't you be about protecting them to insure that you are able to keep yours........which would mean support responsible laws that promote the responsibility of owning fire arms........instead you are doing the opposite opposing any type of real structure to regulation and the whole time screaming injustice when your really just saying let the criminals keep doing what they are doing....so we can keep doing what we are doing, which is just stockpiling up on weapons on some just in case sh*t happens type notion....its paranoia

And I'm not indicating that most people who own guns are not responsible with them, I'm saying if the criminals are the ones who are committing these crimes and murders then we need to address that aspect of it as well. We cant pretend to ignore this aspect with it being the most important reason for gun control......but you cant begin to control that aspect until you insure that the ones we are selling to our citizens are not making their on to our American streets rather stolen, lost, or borrowed either.........


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 5 years ago '04        #164
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 Dos-effect said:
Please spare me the "personal liberty" bullsh*t. You have a personal liberty to own a gun, but you don't have a liberty to own a weapon that is manufactured to fire 180 round per minute. That's a privilege. And you don't invoke privilege to someone that you see doesn't know how to handle it. If you have a 16 year old child that has just got his driver's license by law he is at liberty to drive, but if the kid is out driving recklessly, drinking and driving, and catching tickets left and right you are going to take away his privilege to drive right? Its common fu*king sense, you keep trying to argue about constitutional rights like your some kind of fu*king robot. Sensibly we have to begin to change the culture and the nature of how we view guns in this country. If your only answer is to make a ploy for people to back off of gun owners, then your then that solution is ineffective.

What is personal liberties anyway? By definition: the liberty of an individual to do his or her will freely except for those restraints imposed by law to safeguard the physical, moral, political, and economic welfare of others.

Again except for those restraints imposed by law to safeguard the physical, moral, political, and economic welfare of others. ..............from wiki......In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 66.9% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[4] There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[5] Just over half of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[6] with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 suicide deaths, and 12,632 (40.5%) homicide deaths.[7]

Almost 70 percent of all homicides where perpetrated using a firearm......but these statistics don't matter and are not all alarming? This is the real problem with guns in America, the people who are actually dying. Your whole 2 post rant about the government being the enemy and needing protection is all made up propaganda bullsh*t. We have a gun problem in this country specifically gun murders. And our laws need to be updated to combat this issues. If that somehow equates to a government take over for you..........fine.....just sit back be quiet and let the adults handle it. And this knee jerk reaction has been in affect for years but the mandates were relaxed thanks to the American patriotism of the good ole NRA right?
Just cause we are Americans does not mean we have to be f*gs to the rest of the world or ourselves. A ban on the legal sales of semi automatics is a start..........not the end all to be all by any means, but it is a start......I mean if you love guns why wouldn't you be about protecting them to insure that you are able to keep yours........which would mean support responsible laws that promote the responsibility of owning fire arms........instead you are doing the opposite opposing any type of real structure to regulation and the whole time screaming injustice when your really just saying let the criminals keep doing what they are doing....so we can keep doing what we are doing, which is just stockpiling up on weapons on some just in case sh*t happens.......
Your 16 year old driving analogy was perfect. I especially like how you equate taking an individual's privilege to drive a vehicle on public roads, with stripping the entire nation of a particular type of firearm across the board.

I'll ask again, as I did earlier... Show me a law that would've stopped that school shooting. Show me a law that will end violence in the streets. You won't.

Despite what a lot of people think due to the fact that they're no more than a bunch of parrots, America is not the most dangerous developed country. Far from it. You can spout off gun crime figures all day, but it doesn't change the fact that places like the UK for instance, a country which has a ban on ALL firearms, has a violent crime rate much higher than ours. It's so old and tiring to hear people talk about the U.S like it's this decrepit war zone of gun crazy cowboys, who constantly fu*k each other up. What's even more disappointing is the number of Americans who buy into this bullsh*t propaganda. Our country is NOT that bad. Our violent crime rate is NOT that high. We are a relatively peaceful developed country, despite the gun crime figures. All that crying people like you do, does not in any fu*king way, shape or form, make us a safer society. All it amounts to is a bunch of scared mother fu*kers bi*ching and moaning for someone to take their liberties away from them. Who the fu*k are you to tell me that I'm not responsible enough to own a semi-automatic weapon to protect me and my family with? If you want to be food, you be food. That's your business. You be defenseless. Whatever floats your boat, bro. But I'm tired of hearing people trying to take the only equalizing factor that a good person can utilize to defend themselves, because they believe in this f*ggot utopian horsesh*t that if you just take everyone's "legal" guns, evil disappears from the face of the planet.

And out of curiosity, since you say you're a person to doesn't exercise his right to own a firearm... What would you do if some crazy mother fu*ker broke into your house? Do you have kids? A wife? What's your plan of action?
 12-30-2012, 07:43 PM         #165
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 Decan45 said:
Your 16 year old driving analogy was perfect. I especially like how you equate taking an individual's privilege to drive a vehicle on public roads, with stripping the entire nation of a particular type of firearm across the board.
A parental government is no different then a national government, figuratively speaking of course.....analogy was effective seeing as your thought process is that of a spoiled child.......

 Decan45 said:
I'll ask again, as I did earlier... Show me a law that would've stopped that school shooting. Show me a law that will end violence in the streets. You won't.
I don't create laws, there is no way to tame emotional reactions that cause violence on a national scale, the question is redundant. There is however a way to control the weapons that may be used to act out these emotional reactions. But since I'm not "God" I don't see myself actually being able to stop the act of violence. Like seriously did you ask me that?





 Decan45 said:
Despite what a lot of people think due to the fact that they're no more than a bunch of parrots, America is not the most dangerous developed country. Far from it. You can spout off gun crime figures all day, but it doesn't change the fact that places like the UK for instance, a country which has a ban on ALL firearms, has a violent crime rate much higher than ours.
# 1 United States: 11,877,218
# 2 United Kingdom: 6,523,706- violent crimes..........so that is a lie.........


 Decan45 said:
It's so old and tiring to hear people talk about the U.S like it's this decrepit war zone of gun crazy cowboys, who constantly fu*k each other up.
The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - there are 89 guns for every 100 Americans, compared to 6 in England and Wales.

And the murder figures themselves are astounding for Brits used to around 550 murders per year. In 2011 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms...........that statement was also a lie.

 Decan45 said:
What's even more disappointing is the number of Americans who buy into this bullsh*t propaganda. Our country is NOT that bad. Our violent crime rate is NOT that high. We are a relatively peaceful developed country, despite the gun crime figures.
I love how you say despite the gun crime figures............refer to the 2 statements up top......your fu*king delusional dude......

 Decan45 said:
All that crying people like you do, does not in any fu*king way, shape or form, make us a safer society. All it amounts to is a bunch of scared mother fu*kers bi*ching and moaning for someone to take their liberties away from them. Who the fu*k are you to tell me that I'm not responsible enough to own a semi-automatic weapon to protect me and my family with? If you want to be food, you be food. That's your business. You be defenseless. Whatever floats your boat, bro. But I'm tired of hearing people trying to take the only equalizing factor that a good person can utilize to defend themselves, because they believe in this f*ggot utopian horsesh*t that if you just take everyone's "legal" guns, evil disappears from the face of the planet.
So to your tireless rant all you have shown is that your recycled information your getting from Alex is bogus and wrong. I mean talk about parrots......you've offered no proof of the government actually banning guns, you've offered no real solution to the problem, you've consistently made one bullsh*t statement after the other spewing incorrect data to back up your argument. And your final argument is you dont want to have guns banned by people who believe in a "f*ggot utopian horsesh*t"..........Wow......and this is what you call intellectual conversation? This is the argument that Americans should be listening too. What are you scared of bruh? I mean if the country by your standards is peaceful why are you so emotional and paranoid of being "food".........food for who the vultures? You see if you honestly believe that then again you should be supporting stricter gun laws to keep them out of the hands of the vultures right? Your still endorsing them insisting its to keep your family safe. Your on some f!ght imaginary fire with imaginary fire fairy tale bullsh*t. We dont live in a utopia, we live in reality.....and in reality we address problems by implementing a strategy to solve our problems. And when we have kindergarteners mowed down in what one would think should be the safest place in America.....that that sir creates a problem.........instead of trying to convince of some government conspiracy how about you catch up to the 21rst century and stop being such a inbred redneck huh?


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Humans are not perfect as there is no such thing as true perfection. Whatever America decides, there will be advantages and consequences to pay down the line.
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So white people who believe in constituional gun rights are "nuts" and purchase these weapons because they are afraid of minorities? For a group of individuals who dislike being generalized and stereotyped so damn much, some sure are quick to make rediculous judgements on someone or something you probably know absolutly nothing about...


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 nightmare said:
every thread, in almost every section i see you in, you say BS is what i meant, you clearly have an agenda in EVERYTHING you post, thats why i dont feel like responding to you muhc
my agenda is to expose bullsh*t like what you posted. dont post garbage from a moron and try to pass it off like its a fact so u can get a fu*king hot topic.
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 aclockworkred71 said:
Crime rate is per population and laws won't rid the black market of guns, pathetic arguments.

Lol the black market is is just some bum selling guns out of his truck.............please stop....we can do better as a country
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 ill 800 said:
my agenda is to expose bullsh*t like what you posted. dont post garbage from a moron and try to pass it off like its a fact so u can get a fu*king hot topic.
thats exactly what you do!

people i post can substantiate their claims with actual evidence and facts, but i know how facts dont sit well with people like you
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 Dos-effect said:
A parental government is no different then a national government, figuratively speaking of course.....analogy was effective seeing as your thought process is that of a spoiled child.......
No, your analogy was butt cheeks. Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. And in the event that someone abuses their privilege to drive a car, we do not therefore impose a restriction on all other drivers. And ironically enough, just as a side note, cars k!ll WAY more people than firearms. How do you feel about Lamborghini laws?

 Dos-effect said:
I don't create laws, there is no way to tame emotional reactions that cause violence on a national scale, the question is redundant. There is however a way to control the weapons that may be used to act out these emotional reactions. But since I'm not "God" I don't see myself actually being able to stop the act of violence. Like seriously did you ask me that?
My point exactly. Your knee-jerk reaction to "controlling" gun violence is to ban "assault rifles", despite the statistics that show that out of all of the homicides of 2011, only 343 of them were committed using a rifle of any kind. Did you know that 12,000 people died in 2011 from drinking and driving? What your proposing is a joke. It amounts to nothing more than an attempt to impose on others' freedoms, because you're sensitive to the bullsh*t sensationalist fantasy of a sleeper cell army of crazy white people, with access to military rifles and hell bent on shooting rampages that the media has been feeding you since the Newtown shooting. The reality is far less surreal.

 Dos-effect said:
# 1 United States: 11,877,218
# 2 United Kingdom: 6,523,706- violent crimes..........so that is a lie.........
The U.S population is five times larger than the UK.

 Dos-effect said:
And the murder figures themselves are astounding for Brits used to around 550 murders per year. In 2011 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms...........that statement was also a lie.
It's actually closer to 750, if you include the whole UK. Regardless, apparently I had read some misleading statistics on this one. Although, it seems that between between 2000-2010, roughly 66% of all homicides were committed by a firearm, with the vast majority of them being done with a handgun. The million dollar question that begs to be answered is who is committing these murders? Are they legal gun owners?

 Dos-effect said:
So to your tireless rant all you have shown is that your recycled information your getting from Alex is bogus and wrong.
Oh, for fu*k's sake...

 Dos-effect said:
I mean talk about parrots......you've offered no proof of the government actually banning guns, you've offered no real solution to the problem, you've consistently made one bullsh*t statement after the other spewing incorrect data to back up your argument. And your final argument is you dont want to have guns banned by people who believe in a "f*ggot utopian horsesh*t"..........Wow......and this is what you call intellectual conversation? This is the argument that Americans should be listening too. What are you scared of bruh?
Let's be adults here and stop characterizing "the government" as this big brother umbrella organization. What I said was that there is a significant, obviously liberal, debate from the PEOPLE of this country, that are suggesting that we follow the Western European model for gun control (i.e: Virtually take them all away). While there hasn't been any legislation drawn for such a move, there has been a lot drawn up to ban and restrict certain weapons and magazines. That is a fact.

And a solution for what, you say? For murder? Let's be real here... Most murders taking place in this country are happening in large cities, in predominately poor neighborhoods and/or entertainment venues such as bars and clubs. Alcohol plays a role in roughly 2/3 of all homicides. It's statistically most likely that the murder is committed with a handgun. And even you have admitted yourself that most of these crimes are committed by people in possession of an illegal firearm. If you take all of this into consideration, and if you're truly and honestly invested in the interest of stopping murder in general, then why are we having a national discussion on "assault weapons"? It is painfully obvious that "assault weapons" have absolutely nothing to do with any of it. In fact, out of all of the methods people use to murder on a daily basis, "assault weapons" are one of the very least of our worries.

 Dos-effect said:
I mean if the country by your standards is peaceful why are you so emotional and paranoid of being "food".........food for who the vultures? You see if you honestly believe that then again you should be supporting stricter gun laws to keep them out of the hands of the vultures right? Your still endorsing them insisting its to keep your family safe. Your on some f!ght imaginary fire with imaginary fire fairy tale bullsh*t.
It's not paranoia, it's the principle. I'm a man of principle, and on principle, you should not have any say so on whether or not I can do anything, so long as I don't hurt others. Did I mention I tend to be quite the libertarian? Here, I'll tell you a true story that coincidentally took place two days ago.

I got up at 3AM to a call from work, informing me of a bunch of equipment that had fu*ked up in the field. I call a technician to explain to him how to fix the problem and dispatch him out to the job. While I'm on the phone, I hear someone beating the living sh*t out of my front door. Mind you, I can never hear someone knock on my door from upstairs. I knew right away that someone was either desperately trying to wake me up, or they were kicking my fu*king door down. I tell the guy on the phone what's going on, hang up, grab my gun, put the phone in my pocket and head downstairs. I open the door with the gun behind my thigh and out of view. There's this broad standing there, looking like she's half dead and high as fu*k, and she goes, "You've got to help us, there's these guys chasing us! Please help us!" I tell her, "What the fu*k are you talking about, and who's 'we'?" Just as I say that, these two guys come around the corner onto my patio saying a bunch of rushed, incoherent gibberish like "Yeah, for real man, for real. They're coming this way. Hey, let us in, for real." And the dude in front sticks out his arm attempts to brush me aside like he's going to just walk in my house. I immediately slap dudes arm down, take a step back, draw weapon to dude's face. I tell the guy, "Y'all picked the wrong fu*king house to pull this sh*t. Get the fu*k off my porch." All three of them instantly panicked and started apologizing, asking me not to shoot them and disappeared down the street. Believe it or not, this really did just happen to me the other night. Was I shaken up? No. Was I scared? No. Was I safe? Yes. It's empowerment, brother. I don't know how to convey that feeling to you through words. These three dope fiends thought they were going to pull some slick sh*t and rob my a.ss, then they were faced with death and decided maybe it was a better idea to kick rocks. No one should lose that right, or even have to defend it for that matter, just because of someone's sorry a.ss, loser of a kid popping psychotropic drugs goes apesh*t. (Over 80% of all recent mass shooters were on prescription psychotropics.)

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We dont live in a utopia, we live in reality.....and in reality we address problems by implementing a strategy to solve our problems. And when we have kindergarteners mowed down in what one would think should be the safest place in America.....that that sir creates a problem.........instead of trying to convince of some government conspiracy how about you catch up to the 21rst century and stop being such a inbred redneck huh?
Yes, in reality we DO address our problems... Which is why banning "assault weapons" should not be part of the discussion, seeing as how it doesn't address the fu*king problem.

...Really bro? Inbred redneck? I get a kick out of hearing people give away their visual projections and stereotypes they put on people over the internet. You got this whole image you've imagined of me worked out. That sh*t is funny.


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It took you 6 days to respond n*gga?....................we not going to see eye on this bruh........you have no moral obligation towards society to start regulation on an out of control market for guns and murder in this country, and I support said regulation in hopes to get ahead of a serious problem in our country that has been emerging in the past 30 years where gun deaths and crimes committed by guns are slowly amounting to bat sh*t crazy numbers. So this is the last time I'm going to respond to you in this thread.......


 Decan45 said:
No, your analogy was butt cheeks. Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. And in the event that someone abuses their privilege to drive a car, we do not therefore impose a restriction on all other drivers. And ironically enough, just as a side note, cars k!ll WAY more people than firearms. How do you feel about Lamborghini laws?
So how do you feel about those seat belt laws, and drunk driving restrictions, speeding laws, insurance mandates? People abusing their giving right to drive is exactly what prompted these types of laws to be enacted.......and they are restrictions on all drivers. And a car accident is many cases is just that an accident, how you can even compare that to an intentional act of violence is astounding.

 Decan45 said:
My point exactly. Your knee-jerk reaction to "controlling" gun violence is to ban "assault rifles", despite the statistics that show that out of all of the homicides of 2011, only 343 of them were committed using a rifle of any kind. Did you know that 12,000 people died in 2011 from drinking and driving? What your proposing is a joke. It amounts to nothing more than an attempt to impose on others' freedoms, because you're sensitive to the bullsh*t sensationalist fantasy of a sleeper cell army of crazy white people, with access to military rifles and hell bent on shooting rampages that the media has been feeding you since the Newtown shooting. The reality is far less surreal.
A ban on a.ssault rifles for the average American civilian yes, as stated there is no sensible reason for an average American citizen to own them. Why is this so hard for your brain to compute? You keep making all of these arguments that have nothing to do with that aspect. Give me one purpose of a semi auto a.ssault rifle in the hands of of a guy like Joe the Plumber, or some one like yourself? And I'm not talking about your stupid a.ss feeling of "empowerment", I'm talking about real life situations where a those types of guns are needed on a daily basis? Even if you scream protection I think the majority of sane citizens will that its overkill. Yet they are selling out the stores like hot cakes........And the "liberal media" ........pardon me I had to laugh at that.........does NOT PROMOTE PEOPLE THINKING A CERTAIN way........just because the overall media may sensationalize a story does not mean that it was not an important issue to people before the story happen. That's a cop out that people like you use in this country whenever something happens where a controversial aspect of society is examined. You want to blame the media for "programming" people to believe something that you claim they other wise would not give 2 sh*ts about. If its race then you like to blame the media for creating racial tensions, if its entitlement then you want to blame the media for creating class warfare, in this case its guns..............but my question to you is if the controversial aspects did not exist.........why would it be a big story anyway?


 Decan45 said:
Let's be adults here and stop characterizing "the government" as this big brother umbrella organization. What I said was that there is a significant, obviously liberal, debate from the PEOPLE of this country, that are suggesting that we follow the Western European model for gun control (i.e: Virtually take them all away). While there hasn't been any legislation drawn for such a move, there has been a lot drawn up to ban and restrict certain weapons and magazines. That is a fact.
Obviously liberal huh? fu*k I guess demanding a strike on guns that thus far have only shown proof that they can slaughter a lot of people in public places at one time is insanely liberal huh? Or is that insanely responsible to ourselves and to our children? I mean sorry dude the hard on that you get from going out in the woods and letting off clip after clip does not out weigh the need to try to make our world just a little bit safer. And its not just machine guns and rifles, these are any possible weapon that has no purpose but to cause gluttonous damage to any unknown person. And its not because I support a government take over or some sort of race war, but simply because THEY SERVE NO REAL PURPOSE to a normal civilian society. And the purpose they do serve for legally registered owners garners no real purpose to a normal civilian society

 Decan45 said:
And a solution for what, you say? For murder? Let's be real here... Most murders taking place in this country are happening in large cities, in predominately poor neighborhoods and/or entertainment venues such as bars and clubs. Alcohol plays a role in roughly 2/3 of all homicides. It's statistically most likely that the murder is committed with a handgun. And even you have admitted yourself that most of these crimes are committed by people in possession of an illegal firearm. If you take all of this into consideration, and if you're truly and honestly invested in the interest of stopping murder in general, then why are we having a national discussion on "assault weapons"? It is painfully obvious that "assault weapons" have absolutely nothing to do with any of it. In fact, out of all of the methods people use to murder on a daily basis, "assault weapons" are one of the very least of our worries.
So what are you really debating here.............gun regulation, or the ban on a.ssault weapons........because gun regulation would include a ban on all a.ssault weapons at least from my perspective. Gun regulation would also include intense laws that are stricter on murders committed by guns both legally registered and illegally obtained. Illegal possession of guns would also face much harsher guidelines. The price of ownership would go up including the price paid to obtain guns and the ammunition needed to use them, in addition a possible yearly tax on weapons brought at "liberty" that can perhaps be used for anti violence programs to reach out to youths who may in neighborhoods where gun violence runs rampant. A national war on guns and gun violence put to the same fanaticism as the War on Terror and the War on Drugs. I mean guns play a major part in both of those factions don't they? My whole thing is I'm not supporting an agenda, I don't side with popular belief simply because it is so.......and I'm not some pea brained idiot who lets people who are really no better then me tell me what I should be believing or adhering to. I am a man the same as yourself who has enough sense to understand that gross negligence will always resort to gross misconduct..........


 Decan45 said:
It's not paranoia, it's the principle. I'm a man of principle, and on principle, you should not have any say so on whether or not I can do anything, so long as I don't hurt others.
My dude we are adults, grow the fu*k up........this has nothing to do with your opinion on who should and should not be able to tell you to do something, this is about your personal love for guns. Your not so much of a rebel that you don't pay taxes like your told to do, or maintain car insurance like your told to do, or click it or ticket like your told to do. I'm just saying stop trying to make this an argument on an invasion of of your personal rights. Its not.......


 Decan45 said:
I got up at 3AM to a call from work, informing me of a bunch of equipment that had fu*ked up in the field. I call a technician to explain to him how to fix the problem and dispatch him out to the job. While I'm on the phone, I hear someone beating the living sh*t out of my front door. Mind you, I can never hear someone knock on my door from upstairs. I knew right away that someone was either desperately trying to wake me up, or they were kicking my fu*king door down. I tell the guy on the phone what's going on, hang up, grab my gun, put the phone in my pocket and head downstairs. I open the door with the gun behind my thigh and out of view. There's this broad standing there, looking like she's half dead and high as fu*k, and she goes, "You've got to help us, there's these guys chasing us! Please help us!" I tell her, "What the fu*k are you talking about, and who's 'we'?" Just as I say that, these two guys come around the corner onto my patio saying a bunch of rushed, incoherent gibberish like "Yeah, for real man, for real. They're coming this way. Hey, let us in, for real." And the dude in front sticks out his arm attempts to brush me aside like he's going to just walk in my house. I immediately slap dudes arm down, take a step back, draw weapon to dude's face. I tell the guy, "Y'all picked the wrong fu*king house to pull this sh*t. Get the fu*k off my porch." All three of them instantly panicked and started apologizing, asking me not to shoot them and disappeared down the street. Believe it or not, this really did just happen to me the other night. Was I shaken up? No. Was I scared? No. Was I safe? Yes. It's empowerment, brother. I don't know how to convey that feeling to you through words. These three dope fiends thought they were going to pull some slick sh*t and rob my a.ss, then they were faced with death and decided maybe it was a better idea to kick rocks. No one should lose that right, or even have to defend it for that matter, just because of someone's sorry a.ss, loser of a kid popping psychotropic drugs goes apesh*t. (Over 80% of all recent mass shooters were on prescription psychotropics.)
Okay Dirty Harry, I',m wondering when you were typing this were you envisioning yourself using the "Batman voice" ..................look on the real dude I'm not even going to knock this story cause if its true more power to you.......but you might wanna consider moving..................my question though is how does this equate to attempting to stop murders by guns? I mean you possibly stopped a crime that could have resorted to violence, but outside of that you showed nothing but how much of a bad a.ss you think you are. And protecting your family is important and I'm not even mocking that aspect of it, in fact Ive already stated that is one of the main positive factors of responsible gun owner ship. Which is why I actually support the idea of a hand guns in homes. But with that you also have to admit that the production and ownership impact the numbers of guns that are accessible for gun crimes also. So the argument that more guns equals less crime is kind of off setting because we are only putting more guns on the street for more crimes to be committed. Remember these crazy fu*kers all obtained the weapons from within the home......within the home




 Decan45 said:
Really bro? Inbred redneck? I get a kick out of hearing people give away their visual projections and stereotypes they put on people over the internet. You got this whole image you've imagined of me worked out. That sh*t is funny.
Similar to your perception of everyone who is against your views being liberal push overs huh? You literally live in a glass house don't you? And by the way my dude...........


 Decan45 said:
But I'm tired of hearing people trying to take the only equalizing factor that a good person can utilize to defend themselves, because they believe in this f*ggot utopian horsesh*t that if you just take everyone's "legal" guns, evil disappears from the face of the planet.

......................I'll take sh*t that rednecks say for a $1000 Alex......................


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It took you 6 days to respond n*gga?....................we not going to see eye on this bruh........you have no moral obligation towards society to start regulation on an out of control market for guns and murder in this country, and I support said regulation in hopes to get ahead of a serious problem in our country that has been emerging in the past 30 years where gun deaths and crimes committed by guns are slowly amounting to bat sh*t crazy numbers. So this is the last time I'm going to respond to you in this thread.......




So how do you feel about those seat belt laws, and drunk driving restrictions, speeding laws, insurance mandates? People abusing their giving right to drive is exactly what prompted these types of laws to be enacted.......and they are restrictions on all drivers. And a car accident is many cases is just that an accident, how you can even compare that to an intentional act of violence is astounding.



A ban on a.ssault rifles for the average American civilian yes, as stated there is no sensible reason for an average American citizen to own them. Why is this so hard for your brain to compute? You keep making all of these arguments that have nothing to do with that aspect. Give me one purpose of a semi auto a.ssault rifle in the hands of of a guy like Joe the Plumber, or some one like yourself? And I'm not talking about your stupid a.ss feeling of "empowerment", I'm talking about real life situations where a those types of guns are needed on a daily basis? Even if you scream protection I think the majority of sane citizens will that its overkill. Yet they are selling out the stores like hot cakes........And the "liberal media" ........pardon me I had to laugh at that.........does NOT PROMOTE PEOPLE THINKING A CERTAIN way........just because the overall media may sensationalize a story does not mean that it was not an important issue to people before the story happen. That's a cop out that people like you use in this country whenever something happens where a controversial aspect of society is examined. You want to blame the media for "programming" people to believe something that you claim they other wise would not give 2 sh*ts about. If its race then you like to blame the media for creating racial tensions, if its entitlement then you want to blame the media for creating class warfare, in this case its guns..............but my question to you is if the controversial aspects did not exist.........why would it be a big story anyway?




Obviously liberal huh? fu*k I guess demanding a strike on guns that thus far have only shown proof that they can slaughter a lot of people in public places at one time is insanely liberal huh? Or is that insanely responsible to ourselves and to our children? I mean sorry dude the hard on that you get from going out in the woods and letting off clip after clip does not out weigh the need to try to make our world just a little bit safer. And its not just machine guns and rifles, these are any possible weapon that has no purpose but to cause gluttonous damage to any unknown person. And its not because I support a government take over or some sort of race war, but simply because THEY SERVE NO REAL PURPOSE to a normal civilian society. And the purpose they do serve for legally registered owners garners no real purpose to a normal civilian society



So what are you really debating here.............gun regulation, or the ban on a.ssault weapons........because gun regulation would include a ban on all a.ssault weapons at least from my perspective. Gun regulation would also include intense laws that are stricter on murders committed by guns both legally registered and illegally obtained. Illegal possession of guns would also face much harsher guidelines. The price of ownership would go up including the price paid to obtain guns and the ammunition needed to use them, in addition a possible yearly tax on weapons brought at "liberty" that can perhaps be used for anti violence programs to reach out to youths who may in neighborhoods where gun violence runs rampant. A national war on guns and gun violence put to the same fanaticism as the War on Terror and the War on Drugs. I mean guns play a major part in both of those factions don't they? My whole thing is I'm not supporting an agenda, I don't side with popular belief simply because it is so.......and I'm not some pea brained idiot who lets people who are really no better then me tell me what I should be believing or adhering to. I am a man the same as yourself who has enough sense to understand that gross negligence will always resort to gross misconduct..........




My dude we are adults, grow the fu*k up........this has nothing to do with your opinion on who should and should not be able to tell you to do something, this is about your personal love for guns. Your not so much of a rebel that you don't pay taxes like your told to do, or maintain car insurance like your told to do, or click it or ticket like your told to do. I'm just saying stop trying to make this an argument on an invasion of of your personal rights. Its not.......




Okay Dirty Harry, I',m wondering when you were typing this were you envisioning yourself using the "Batman voice" ..................look on the real dude I'm not even going to knock this story cause if its true more power to you.......but you might wanna consider moving..................my question though is how does this equate to attempting to stop murders by guns? I mean you possibly stopped a crime that could have resorted to violence, but outside of that you showed nothing but how much of a bad a.ss you think you are. And protecting your family is important and I'm not even mocking that aspect of it, in fact Ive already stated that is one of the main positive factors of responsible gun owner ship. Which is why I actually support the idea of a hand guns in homes. But with that you also have to admit that the production and ownership impact the numbers of guns that are accessible for gun crimes also. So the argument that more guns equals less crime is kind of off setting because we are only putting more guns on the street for more crimes to be committed. Remember these crazy fu*kers all obtained the weapons from within the home......within the home






Similar to your perception of everyone who is against your views being liberal push overs huh? You literally live in a glass house don't you? And by the way my dude...........





......................I'll take sh*t that rednecks say for a $1000 Alex......................
this sh*t is still going on?
 01-07-2013, 04:49 AM         #175
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this sh*t is still going on?
I know right?...
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 Dos-effect said:
I know right?...
this thread been bumped like 12 times, by like 10 different people
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Oh boo hoo, it took me a while to respond. I got sh*t to do.

 Dos-effect said:
So how do you feel about those seat belt laws, and drunk driving restrictions, speeding laws, insurance mandates? People abusing their giving right to drive is exactly what prompted these types of laws to be enacted.......and they are restrictions on all drivers. And a car accident is many cases is just that an accident, how you can even compare that to an intentional act of violence is astounding.
Most car accidents severe enough to cause death happen due to irresponsibility and negligence. I think seat belt laws are a joke, and they're especially hilarious to me considering that I own a motorcycle. Speed limits and required insurance? Sure, why not. They serve their purposes. These questions are apples to oranges though. We're talking about an inalienable right, which was created specifically for the protection against tyranny. We accept necessary evils all the time for the sake of liberty, regardless that they will hurt people. This is one of them.

 Dos-effect said:
A ban on a.ssault rifles for the average American civilian yes, as stated there is no sensible reason for an average American citizen to own them. Why is this so hard for your brain to compute? You keep making all of these arguments that have nothing to do with that aspect. Give me one purpose of a semi auto a.ssault rifle in the hands of of a guy like Joe the Plumber, or some one like yourself? And I'm not talking about your stupid a.ss feeling of "empowerment", I'm talking about real life situations where a those types of guns are needed on a daily basis? Even if you scream protection I think the majority of sane citizens will that its overkill. Yet they are selling out the stores like hot cakes........
First of all, this "assault rifle" business has to stop. Get real. There's nothing you can do with a rifle that meets the criteria of being an "assault rifle", that can't be done with any other semi-automatic rifle. The a.ssault weapons ban which coined this term, banned certain functional modifications, not because they functioned to increase the lethality of the weapon, but because they look scary to people who don't know sh*t about firearms. There's a myriad of uses for a semi-automatic rifle, not the least of which is protection. Not everyone lives in a city either. There are many, many people who live outside of city limits. Semi-automatic rifles are especially important for them, as well as being far more effective at home security than a handgun.

 Dos-effect said:
And the "liberal media" ........pardon me I had to laugh at that........
Why would you put that in quotations, or laugh at it for that matter, when I didn't say "liberal media"?

 Dos-effect said:
does NOT PROMOTE PEOPLE THINKING A CERTAIN way........just because the overall media may sensationalize a story does not mean that it was not an important issue to people before the story happen. That's a cop out that people like you use in this country whenever something happens where a controversial aspect of society is examined. You want to blame the media for "programming" people to believe something that you claim they other wise would not give 2 sh*ts about. If its race then you like to blame the media for creating racial tensions, if its entitlement then you want to blame the media for creating class warfare, in this case its guns..............but my question to you is if the controversial aspects did not exist.........why would it be a big story anyway?
I never said this "story"-What a cute euphemism that is, wasn't important. I'm also not trying to imply that the media consciously and actively tries to program people. To be completely honest, it's the things the media doesn't show you that affect people's perception far more than the things they do show. The media is about making money. It's not about encouraging and keeping a well informed citizenry. Sensationalism sells. There's a reason you don't watch C-SPAN. They call every AR-15 a "Bushmaster" to create a buzz word. They play the same coverage, of the same topic, ad nauseam, even when there hasn't been any updates. In doing so, they neglect to cover anything else that's going on. This coincidentally has an affect on peoples' minds, like it or not. Call it what you want, but it is what it is. It's what happens when you pretend that entertainment is news, and you call it that.

 Dos-effect said:
Obviously liberal huh? fu*k I guess demanding a strike on guns that thus far have only shown proof that they can slaughter a lot of people in public places at one time is insanely liberal huh? Or is that insanely responsible to ourselves and to our children? I mean sorry dude the hard on that you get from going out in the woods and letting off clip after clip does not out weigh the need to try to make our world just a little bit safer. And its not just machine guns and rifles, these are any possible weapon that has no purpose but to cause gluttonous damage to any unknown person. And its not because I support a government take over or some sort of race war, but simply because THEY SERVE NO REAL PURPOSE to a normal civilian society. And the purpose they do serve for legally registered owners garners no real purpose to a normal civilian society
I meant liberal figuratively, as in the political ideology, not literally. And yes, most of the people who support the a.ssault weapons ban, as well as those who want to ban firearms altogether, happen to be "liberals". It just is what it is.

Look man, your irrational fear of the a.ssault rifle boogey man does not entitle you with the right to take my AR-15. When you get right down to it, that's really the end of the discussion right there. I've explained this to you a number of times now. The AR-15 is not what enabled the Sandy Hook shooting to happen. The kid could've used any other firearm and caused just as many casualties. He was shooting tiny little children, in a school that didn't have one armed defensive measure. You're not making a case for why banning that particular weapon is a good idea, because you're not explaining how banning that weapon would've prevented this from happening. The reason why? Because it wouldn't have. The AR-15 is not the catalyst. You're merely using this tragedy out of convenience, as a means to impose your opinion that you don't like people having semi-automatic rifles onto others. If you're scared of the AR-15 boogey man, that's your own problem to deal with, not mine. You can't have my sh*t just because you're scared. That's not how this works. If you want to discuss ways we can truly lower gun-crime, by way of better screening and social programs to stop gang and drug violence, I'm with you all day. But this ra-ra bullsh*t about rifles is outrageous and downright fu*king silly.

 Dos-effect said:
So what are you really debating here.............gun regulation, or the ban on a.ssault weapons........because gun regulation would include a ban on all a.ssault weapons at least from my perspective. Gun regulation would also include intense laws that are stricter on murders committed by guns both legally registered and illegally obtained. Illegal possession of guns would also face much harsher guidelines. The price of ownership would go up including the price paid to obtain guns and the ammunition needed to use them, in addition a possible yearly tax on weapons brought at "liberty" that can perhaps be used for anti violence programs to reach out to youths who may in neighborhoods where gun violence runs rampant.
Remember earlier when you posted all of those old gun laws, many of which were surreptitiously designed to disable black people's ability to arm themselves? Well if you took the time to read them, you'd realize that many of them did so by doing exactly what you're proposing in the bold, because black Americans were predominately poor. I can't shake my fu*king head enough. Furthermore, by making it that much harder for working class people to afford firearms, you're still not combating gun-crime at all; because as we've established multiple times in this thread already, the vast majority of the crimes are being committed by illegally obtained and owned firearms! The underlined portion, while good-intentioned, is completely a.ss backwards because you're proposing we allocate funds from law-abiding citizens by taxing them, even though they've done nothing wrong. We pay enough taxes as it is, and if you haven't taken the time to look, our government spends an obscene amount of money on dumb sh*t. You don't need a tax on the people to stop gun crime. The money is there already. You just need to get your representative to f!ght for it.

 Dos-effect said:
A national war on guns and gun violence put to the same fanaticism as the War on Terror and the War on Drugs. I mean guns play a major part in both of those factions don't they? My whole thing is I'm not supporting an agenda, I don't side with popular belief simply because it is so.......and I'm not some pea brained idiot who lets people who are really no better then me tell me what I should be believing or adhering to. I am a man the same as yourself who has enough sense to understand that gross negligence will always resort to gross misconduct..........
Do you understand the irony in what you're proposing here? You want to advertise and market a war on gun violence, and model it after the absolutely, horrendously failed war on drugs which has done nothing except serve to create an industry where there's monetary incentive for putting poor minorities in prison? Do you realize that if we were at all successful at the war on drugs, we wouldn't have anywhere NEAR the gun violence that we have to begin with?

Bro, really... After reading what you just said here.... If I didn't already know different, I would've guessed you were a sheltered white guy. Think about what you're saying.

 Dos-effect said:
My dude we are adults, grow the fu*k up........this has nothing to do with your opinion on who should and should not be able to tell you to do something, this is about your personal love for guns. Your not so much of a rebel that you don't pay taxes like your told to do, or maintain car insurance like your told to do, or click it or ticket like your told to do. I'm just saying stop trying to make this an argument on an invasion of of your personal rights. Its not.......
Actually, it's explicitly and literally about my personal rights. For you to say otherwise is borderline fu*king retarded. You're proposing that you take something from me, that the bill of rights says I can and should have. That would be, by definition, imposing on my rights. And no, it's not about my "personal love for guns". fu*k that noise. Stop trying to portray me as some nutcase who names his weapons and strokes them like its his c*ck. And brother let me tell you, I like having car insurance. I don't mind paying taxes, because I feel obligated to contribute to my community both here and abroad. I hardly ever wear a seat belt.

 Dos-effect said:
Okay Dirty Harry, I',m wondering when you were typing this were you envisioning yourself using the "Batman voice" ..................look on the real dude I'm not even going to knock this story cause if its true more power to you.......but you might wanna consider moving..................my question though is how does this equate to attempting to stop murders by guns? I mean you possibly stopped a crime that could have resorted to violence, but outside of that you showed nothing but how much of a bad a.ss you think you are.
Yeah, I figured you'd belittle that story. Cool, whatever.

I'm not "showing how much of a bad a.ss I think I am". I didn't do that in the slightest. It's just a true story. It really happened. I simply told it to you, exactly the way it happened. I didn't dress it up, exaggerate it, or embellish the results of my actions. The point of the story is just to prove that guns are invaluable to a person's safety. What happened that day has even further bolstered my support for gun ownership.

 Dos-effect said:
And protecting your family is important and I'm not even mocking that aspect of it, in fact Ive already stated that is one of the main positive factors of responsible gun owner ship. Which is why I actually support the idea of a hand guns in homes. But with that you also have to admit that the production and ownership impact the numbers of guns that are accessible for gun crimes also. So the argument that more guns equals less crime is kind of off setting because we are only putting more guns on the street for more crimes to be committed. Remember these crazy fu*kers all obtained the weapons from within the home......within the home
See, the hypocrisy here is what gets me. You fabricate this sensational argument against semi-automatic rifles, by pulling at the heart-strings of people over a school shooting. Then you turn around and support handguns in the home, when you're completely aware of the fact that the vast majority of gun homicide is committed with an illegally obtained handgun (i.e Stolen out of a home). It's like I said before. All this sh*t you keep talking sounds to me like a bunch of horsesh*t that has nothing to do with you actually caring about people dying, and a whole lot more to do with your feeling of entitlement to take away semi-automatic rifles because you think they're scary and dangerous.

 Dos-effect said:
Similar to your perception of everyone who is against your views being liberal push overs huh? You literally live in a glass house don't you? And by the way my dude...........
Not at all. I never said that. I never said you were a liberal, for instance. But I will say that coincidentally, the vast majority of people who debate this sh*t with me are soft, naive people who don't own firearms. They're the kind of people who a guy like me ends up protecting in a public situation, because they're too dumb and cowardly to take the responsibility of protecting themselves seriously.


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