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 5 years ago '04        #41
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Im pretty locked into the gun world and hes right... ever been to a gun show?? come to VA and go to a gun show... White people, confederate flags, Nazi Flags and funny looks at black people who attend like myself..
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 dat_boi_tj said:
Im pretty locked into the gun world and hes right... ever been to a gun show?? come to VA and go to a gun show... White people, confederate flags, Nazi Flags and funny looks at black people who attend like myself..
Depends where the gun show is. It would be my contention however, that you see that kind of sh*t because there are in fact a lot of racist fu*king white people in America, and not because that racism is WHY they're gun enthusiasts. Just between the hunting/sporting and the tacticool/military dork demographic, you're already talking about the majority of gun owners and their motivations right there.
 5 years ago '05        #43
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ima keep it simple..

you buy guns to protect yourself...because you scared of something..

middle america, the south.. and all those backwards a.ss places in america that voted for romney through use of scare tactics.. are uneducated, sheep who believe what they have been programed and brainwashed to believe by movies, the image that rap music paints, and fox news liars and sh*t...

so yeah they buying guns because NOW they think they are the minorities.. they think america is being taking over by people of color, and they also think people of color are criminals.. they scared.. its obvious... they scared and stupid..

......

......

as for these crazy a.ss shootings... you gonna know something is up if a black/mexican goes and does something.. thats gonna be the ulimate set-up to create mass hysteria...
 12-26-2012, 01:01 AM         #44
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i agree....that stand your ground law was created to help act on their fear
 12-26-2012, 01:51 AM         #45
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@ all this stereotyping and generalizations about the South going on in this thread. Yes, we're all idiots down here, uneducated, country bumpkins, we walk around bare foot and chew tobacco and have s3x with our sisters.



That's whatever though, that's just typical Northern Elitism that's been perpetuated through school teachings, passed down from parents, and other typical hearsay non sense. The biggest racist town I've ever been around was in Indiana. The only time I've ever seen a white person outwardly call a black person the n-word was in New York... I've lived in the South (Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee) for 25 years, mostly in Southern Florida. I lived in Cali for a year (where I learned of racism against Asians for the first time, which was weird as fu*k to me.)

In terms of the fear thing. The main reason any of these suburban folks fear minorities is not just because they're racist, some of them are, sure, but simply because they don't interact or see, or know any minorities. Everyone knows man's biggest fear after death is the unknown. That's exactly what's happening here, if a white person is only around white people all the time, their first contact and reaction to minorities will be one of fear. Because they are unknown to them. Immediate caution, etc. Someone like myself, who grew up in South Florida in a predominately Latino neighborhood, have no fear of minorities. Because of the fact that I grew up around them, and know them, and have friends that are hispanic and black. But these white people in suburbs have no idea what minorities are like, they have no familiarity. That breeds fear.

As far as the gun sh*t, I highly doubt that's the driving force for these gun owners. I've met and been around some, and it's not for a feared "race war" That's silly. It's because they're obsessed with the power that you feel with a gun. These people shoot and it's like a second form of orgasm for them. Yes, it's basically like a 2nd d!ck. I'm being serious, people get off by shooting sh*t. That's why they go to the ranges, etc. It's not for fear of a fu*king race war Only crazies like Charles Manson think up sh*t like that. It's because these people like the power of a gun, it makes them feel more bad a.ss. That's all it is.
 5 years ago '09        #46
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 Got Cheeve? said:
@ all this stereotyping and generalizations about the South going on in this thread. Yes, we're all idiots down here, uneducated, country bumpkins, we walk around bare foot and chew tobacco and have s3x with our sisters.



That's whatever though, that's just typical Northern Elitism that's been perpetuated through school teachings, passed down from parents, and other typical hearsay non sense. The biggest racist town I've ever been around was in Indiana. The only time I've ever seen a white person outwardly call a black person the n-word was in New York... I've lived in the South (Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee) for 25 years, mostly in Southern Florida. I lived in Cali for a year (where I learned of racism against Asians for the first time, which was weird as fu*k to me.)

In terms of the fear thing. The main reason any of these suburban folks fear minorities is not just because they're racist, some of them are, sure, but simply because they don't interact or see, or know any minorities. Everyone knows man's biggest fear after death is the unknown. That's exactly what's happening here, if a white person is only around white people all the time, their first contact and reaction to minorities will be one of fear. Because they are unknown to them. Immediate caution, etc. Someone like myself, who grew up in South Florida in a predominately Latino neighborhood, have no fear of minorities. Because of the fact that I grew up around them, and know them, and have friends that are hispanic and black. But these white people in suburbs have no idea what minorities are like, they have no familiarity. That breeds fear.

As far as the gun sh*t, I highly doubt that's the driving force for these gun owners. I've met and been around some, and it's not for a feared "race war" That's silly. It's because they're obsessed with the power that you feel with a gun. These people shoot and it's like a second form of orgasm for them. Yes, it's basically like a 2nd d!ck. I'm being serious, people get off by shooting sh*t. That's why they go to the ranges, etc. It's not for fear of a fu*king race war Only crazies like Charles Manson think up sh*t like that. It's because these people like the power of a gun, it makes them feel more bad a.ss. That's all it is.
fu*k outta here with that bullsh*t about the South Come over here to Tuscaloosa, Alabama for a while and lets see if you are still singing the same tune; and whites been using guns out of fear of colored people since the days of Native Americans were kicking their door in.


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 5 years ago '08        #47
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Moore is exactly right.

Fear is the prime motivator for gun ownership. Fear has actually been a huge part of american history,

think about it:

The English first came to America to escape religious persecution (fear of the church).

Then the first enemies of early White settlers were indians so guess what? cop guns to k!ll the indians.

Then the revolution popped off, so cop guns to k!ll the British

Then the 2nd was passed in case the new govt. went the way of the English monarchy

Then came slaves and their freeing so hey, cop guns to k!ll the potential slave revolt

Then the immigrant period of American history really kicks off and it becomes a good idea to cop guns because you never know what those grimey micks, polacks, gooks, chinks, kikes, wops, ******s, spics, wetbacks, sand ******s, krauts, slavs, etc. will do.

Then sh*t the neighborhood goes to pot so sh*t get a gun so you won't get robbed by those poor freeloaders.

Lets keep it real: america preaches all of that "unity/melting pot" bullsh*t but come the fu*k on; with such a vast population of diverse groups, we're essentially a country full of strangers. We don't really know or care to know much about each other and at our heart, WE DON'T TRUST OR PARTICULARLY LIKE ONE ANOTHER.

Thats kind of another reason why Japan (in addition to harsh gun laws as a result of postwar sanctions) isn't really that violent; the Japanese are less individualistic as they are able to unite around the fact that most of the country is homogenous in ethnicity/culture/history. The same doesn't exist in America where we're far more individualistic and are conditioned to "look out for self and watch out for enemies".
 5 years ago '05        #48
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 Got Cheeve? said:
@ all this stereotyping and generalizations about the South going on in this thread. Yes, we're all idiots down here, uneducated, country bumpkins, we walk around bare foot and chew tobacco and have s3x with our sisters.



That's whatever though, that's just typical Northern Elitism that's been perpetuated through school teachings, passed down from parents, and other typical hearsay non sense. The biggest racist town I've ever been around was in Indiana. The only time I've ever seen a white person outwardly call a black person the n-word was in New York... I've lived in the South (Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee) for 25 years, mostly in Southern Florida. I lived in Cali for a year (where I learned of racism against Asians for the first time, which was weird as fu*k to me.)

In terms of the fear thing. The main reason any of these suburban folks fear minorities is not just because they're racist, some of them are, sure, but simply because they don't interact or see, or know any minorities. Everyone knows man's biggest fear after death is the unknown. That's exactly what's happening here, if a white person is only around white people all the time, their first contact and reaction to minorities will be one of fear. Because they are unknown to them. Immediate caution, etc. Someone like myself, who grew up in South Florida in a predominately Latino neighborhood, have no fear of minorities. Because of the fact that I grew up around them, and know them, and have friends that are hispanic and black. But these white people in suburbs have no idea what minorities are like, they have no familiarity. That breeds fear.

As far as the gun sh*t, I highly doubt that's the driving force for these gun owners. I've met and been around some, and it's not for a feared "race war" That's silly. It's because they're obsessed with the power that you feel with a gun. These people shoot and it's like a second form of orgasm for them. Yes, it's basically like a 2nd d!ck. I'm being serious, people get off by shooting sh*t. That's why they go to the ranges, etc. It's not for fear of a fu*king race war Only crazies like Charles Manson think up sh*t like that. It's because these people like the power of a gun, it makes them feel more bad a.ss. That's all it is.

you hurt,n*gga shut up

nobody said anything about barefeet or tobacco


even tho the south IS where all the tobacco is stfu
 5 years ago '04        #49
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The best way to combat what HE SAYS is fear, is with with MORE fear.

You're on a roll, Moore, you bought-and-paid-for as*hole.


Stop listening to these loud-mouth, corrupt fu*ktards on TV trying to divide us all.

Because it WILL tear us apart as a country.
 5 years ago '06        #50
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 Got Cheeve? said:
@ all this stereotyping and generalizations about the South going on in this thread. Yes, we're all idiots down here, uneducated, country bumpkins, we walk around bare foot and chew tobacco and have s3x with our sisters.



That's whatever though, that's just typical Northern Elitism that's been perpetuated through school teachings, passed down from parents, and other typical hearsay non sense. The biggest racist town I've ever been around was in Indiana. The only time I've ever seen a white person outwardly call a black person the n-word was in New York... I've lived in the South (Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee) for 25 years, mostly in Southern Florida. I lived in Cali for a year (where I learned of racism against Asians for the first time, which was weird as fu*k to me.)

In terms of the fear thing. The main reason any of these suburban folks fear minorities is not just because they're racist, some of them are, sure, but simply because they don't interact or see, or know any minorities. Everyone knows man's biggest fear after death is the unknown. That's exactly what's happening here, if a white person is only around white people all the time, their first contact and reaction to minorities will be one of fear. Because they are unknown to them. Immediate caution, etc. Someone like myself, who grew up in South Florida in a predominately Latino neighborhood, have no fear of minorities. Because of the fact that I grew up around them, and know them, and have friends that are hispanic and black. But these white people in suburbs have no idea what minorities are like, they have no familiarity. That breeds fear.

As far as the gun sh*t, I highly doubt that's the driving force for these gun owners. I've met and been around some, and it's not for a feared "race war" That's silly. It's because they're obsessed with the power that you feel with a gun. These people shoot and it's like a second form of orgasm for them. Yes, it's basically like a 2nd d!ck. I'm being serious, people get off by shooting sh*t. That's why they go to the ranges, etc. It's not for fear of a fu*king race war Only crazies like Charles Manson think up sh*t like that. It's because these people like the power of a gun, it makes them feel more bad a.ss. That's all it is.
no one says the whole south is like that... everytime they mention the south, the mention the part of the south that are scared uneducated redneck country bumpkins, no the whole south... smh
 5 years ago '06        #51
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 Decan45 said:
White people aren't gun nuts because they're "scared" of minorities. That's fu*king ridiculous. There's a plethora of reasons why gun nuts exist in this country. However, one of the most prominent reasons would absolutely be self defense from criminals. Where the argument gets skewed is in the fact that most white people would most likely a.ssume that they'd be statistically more likely to get robbed, mugged or beat up by a minority, rather than a white person, regardless of whether that's actually true in their area or not. Nevertheless, THAT in itself does not make the demand for empowerment racially based. If you believe that, you're simply forcing redundant information to be the focus of the topic, when it's not.
well first of all i never blanketed all white people with the idea that they have guns out of fear of minorities, but to deny the existence of an underlying subculture of minority fear, that exists in gun extremism, is naive.
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 Gm0ney85 said:
ima keep it simple..

you buy guns to protect yourself...because you scared of something..

middle america, the south.. and all those backwards a.ss places in america that voted for romney through use of scare tactics.. are uneducated, sheep who believe what they have been programed and brainwashed to believe by movies, the image that rap music paints, and fox news liars and sh*t...

so yeah they buying guns because NOW they think they are the minorities.. they think america is being taking over by people of color, and they also think people of color are criminals.. they scared.. its obvious... they scared and stupid..

......

......

as for these crazy a.ss shootings... you gonna know something is up if a black/mexican goes and does something.. thats gonna be the ulimate set-up to create mass hysteria...
 5 years ago '06        #53
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 Got Cheeve? said:
@ all this stereotyping and generalizations about the South going on in this thread. Yes, we're all idiots down here, uneducated, country bumpkins, we walk around bare foot and chew tobacco and have s3x with our sisters.



That's whatever though, that's just typical Northern Elitism that's been perpetuated through school teachings, passed down from parents, and other typical hearsay non sense. The biggest racist town I've ever been around was in Indiana. The only time I've ever seen a white person outwardly call a black person the n-word was in New York... I've lived in the South (Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee) for 25 years, mostly in Southern Florida. I lived in Cali for a year (where I learned of racism against Asians for the first time, which was weird as fu*k to me.)

In terms of the fear thing. The main reason any of these suburban folks fear minorities is not just because they're racist, some of them are, sure, but simply because they don't interact or see, or know any minorities. Everyone knows man's biggest fear after death is the unknown. That's exactly what's happening here, if a white person is only around white people all the time, their first contact and reaction to minorities will be one of fear. Because they are unknown to them. Immediate caution, etc. Someone like myself, who grew up in South Florida in a predominately Latino neighborhood, have no fear of minorities. Because of the fact that I grew up around them, and know them, and have friends that are hispanic and black. But these white people in suburbs have no idea what minorities are like, they have no familiarity. That breeds fear.

As far as the gun sh*t, I highly doubt that's the driving force for these gun owners. I've met and been around some, and it's not for a feared "race war" That's silly. It's because they're obsessed with the power that you feel with a gun. These people shoot and it's like a second form of orgasm for them. Yes, it's basically like a 2nd d!ck. I'm being serious, people get off by shooting sh*t. That's why they go to the ranges, etc. It's not for fear of a fu*king race war Only crazies like Charles Manson think up sh*t like that. It's because these people like the power of a gun, it makes them feel more bad a.ss. That's all it is.
hold on, half the dudes co-signing in this thread are southerners, so its not Northern Elitisim

secondly, im personally (cant speak for others) not saying its just the South, im speaking on fearful gun nuts in general

im from NJ, and theres rednecks and confederate flags here, in PA and NY just like in the south, just not as often and openly

and again im not saying all gun nuts are racist and fear minorities to justify their gun use, but for alot that is the case
 5 years ago '06        #54
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 Screwhead said:
The best way to combat what HE SAYS is fear, is with with MORE fear.

You're on a roll, Moore, you bought-and-paid-for as*hole.


Stop listening to these loud-mouth, corrupt fu*ktards on TV trying to divide us all.

Because it WILL tear us apart as a country.
this country has been torn from the start, there is no "will"
 5 years ago '06        #55
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 Matt504 said:
instead of us running in to give knee jerk reactions to this thread based on emotions and a few moments of what you consider rational thinking, why not take a few moments to see if there's any validity to these claims.

obviously white people aren't gonna flock into this thread and agree with Mr. Moore, so that means we have to search deeper ourselves,

educate yourselves on the Haitian revolution,

see what psychologists may have to say about these kinds of behaviors

educate yourselves and THEN reply..


pay close attention to those who dismiss theories seconds after waltzing into a thread, completely overlooking the fact that this phenomena has been observed and studied in depth.
 12-26-2012, 08:54 AM         #56
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 ill 800 said:
why you believe a known hypocrite with a political agenda is beyond me

The black panther bit is well documented though, it actually did go down like that......how you can ignore history just to better fit your own personal agenda is something I find more disturbing then the information you are posting.
 12-26-2012, 09:02 AM         #57
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 Carlton Black said:
n*ggas been knew Michael Moore was a fraud...dude is cointel pro down to a t.....

Can you tell me why "evil liberals" are always more willing to bend to the truth and are more likely to abandon their own beliefs if there is something that is not true or not quite accurate.....

And conservatives all have to pretend like the truth does not exist......its the same pundits refuting this in these threads..........why do you people get so mad at people who tell the truth? I mean I know most of you get off on lies(even when you know its a lie) you still ride with the story and defend it to your death......why is that?
 5 years ago '05        #58
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I agree and disagree... I live in texas where people just love having guns.. they buy whatever new gun hits the shelf.. its just a hobby for most people I know. but I have known some people they say they need one to protect themelves.. then I always ask what are they scared of, and most say scared that they wont be able to protect their families from intruders etc... Im black most of these people are white with a few black and mexican
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 Dos-effect said:
The black panther bit is well documented though, it actually did go down like that......how you can ignore history just to better fit your own personal agenda is something I find more disturbing then the information you are posting.
 12-26-2012, 12:48 PM         #60
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 hbk83 said:
I agree and disagree... I live in texas where people just love having guns.. they buy whatever new gun hits the shelf.. its just a hobby for most people I know. but I have known some people they say they need one to protect themelves.. then I always ask what are they scared of, and most say scared that they wont be able to protect their families from intruders etc... Im black most of these people are white with a few black and mexican
I agree with this. Most of these gun enthusiasts I've met just fu*king love shooting guns. Like I said, it's a high for them. Also as I said before, I guess it's a feeling of power, or even like having a 2nd d!ck or something. But that is by far the majority of gun owners and why they like guns. Is there a small percentage that might be scared of minorities "swarming in and taking over?", yeah, there's always going to be crazy people, so sure, but it's a tiny percentage of the gun owners out there.

A wise strategy when trying to figure out a phenomenon is to look at the simplest answer. Most of the time, we try and hypothesize all these different scenarios, and possibilities but in the end, it's the obvious, simple answer. And that's that people love shooting guns, they love the feeling of owning guns, something of power. And that's it, it's not because they're scared some black guy is going to come bust in their house and rob them, it's because the person likes shooting guns. It's a hobby, it's like me playing basketball every week. To Joe Gun Enthusiast, that's his weekly way of having fun. To must of us who aren't around guns or people who love guns like that, it's alien, so we try and make some other kind of sense out of it, but I'm telling you, that's all it is.
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