Dec 21 - NRA: "The Only Thing That Stops A Bad Guy With A Gun Is A Good Guy With A Gun"

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 5 years ago '06        #61
KFrizzle 296 heat pts296
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 FoShizzle8 said:
lets see
columbine had 2 shooters.this school had 1
sorry that 2 people with guns can k!ll 1 with one
also in all the storys about columbine i heard,none of them even mentioned the school having security in it
very true...

and them boys came packin heat... which is rare, illegal handguns are use the most (like 6000 handgun crimes to a 700 rifle/shotgun crimes)
two Glock pistols, a shotgun and an AR-15, a semiautomatic variation of the military's M-16 rifle
 5 years ago '07        #62
stogz 18 heat pts18
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You know.... there are 2 things that just happen to be present in every instance of gun violence.

1. People
2. Guns

Now, one of these things need to be banned.
 12-21-2012, 09:10 PM         #63
Los-O 
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 stogz said:
You know.... there are 2 things that just happen to be present in every instance of gun violence.

1. People
2. Guns

Now, one of these things need to be banned.
You know.... there are 2 things that just happen to be present in every instance of car accidents.

1. People
2. Cars

Now, one of these things need to be banned.





I could go on and on. By your logic, we need to ban A LOT of things in society.
 12-21-2012, 09:12 PM         #64
StatisticZ 
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Going by his logic I will gladly lend him one of my guns so he can ban himself from life and let us carry on.
 5 years ago '06        #65
KFrizzle 296 heat pts296
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 Los-O said:
You know.... there are 2 things that just happen to be present in every instance of car accidents.

1. People
2. Cars

Now, one of these things need to be banned.

I could go on and on. By your logic, we need to ban A LOT of things in society.
















You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to StatisticZ again.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Los-O again.
 5 years ago '04        #66
psylence2k 59 heat pts59
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 aclockworkred71 said:
I won't ask for sources but you are kidding right? Most r*pes are from friends, most car accidents are close trips near home, most home fires are from candles etc.

You can use this concept to argue avoiding friends, trips to the store, candles etc. But the facts are its a part of life, your statistics don't really move anyone with common sense, most would still be in protection of the 2nd amendment.

I mean there is so many irresponsible people out drinking tonight, lets 'control' alcohol for everyone! Sorry but this logic has failed time and time again.

Projecting people as weak idiots with no common sense isn't a good argument for gun control, don't punish man for his neighbor, this tactic was once used to discriminate millions for no reason, learn from history.
Projecting people as irresponsible idiots is actually a great argument for gun control, this country is filled with irresponsible idiots, with or without criminal records, why give them access to guns ??

You want to talk common sense ?? How about looking at how most developed and industrialized countries that have banned guns have lowered their gun homicide rate ?? Wouldn't someone who's sensible, logical, and objective with no bias be like " Hey, you know what ? it worked for them , why not give it a try ?? I mean what we're doing right now is k!lling 12,000 a year compared to their 30 , shouldn't we a least TRY this, REAL and comprehensive gun control with no loopholes ??? " isn't that common sense ??

What you guys are doing is looking at statistics which are closer to facts than these "theories" you have and saying " Nah , we don't even want to try it , just give us more guns " like we haven't been giving people that for decades and still have a higher firearm homicide rate.

and as for you comparing guns to candles, car trips, and friend r*pe ?? Are You serious ?? do you want to sit down and think about how fallacious that argument is or do you really want me to explain to you why it's stupid ??



 FoShizzle8 said:
lets see


columbine had 2 shooters.this school had 1


sorry that 2 people with guns can k!ll 1 with one




also in all the storys about columbine i heard,none of them even mentioned the school having security in it.oh and if you wanna get on security,wasnt it brought out that james holmes specificly picked the theater he was gonna shoot up because of the fact its security sucked
didn't Virginia Tech have a whole on campus police force ??

this discussion goes beyond elementary schools, do we have enough police to man every 100 ft area of every public place where a shooter could decide to hit ??
 12-21-2012, 09:35 PM         #67
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What's stupid is you keep claiming things as facts and statistics without any supporting documentation what-so-ever. If you prefer their route, go live there, send a postcard. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were written as they are for a reason. You can't pick and choose from a list of things that were set in place to provide a backbone for the ground you walk.
 5 years ago '04        #68
Fameus 6 heat pts
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Notice how quickly it became NRA vs. Anti Gun making it if you like guns you wanted this tragedy to happen. Lets be clear NOBODY has the answer. There is a discussion that needs to take place but when everyone is yelling NOBODY is listening. When your only in a conversation for your OWN agenda nothing is being accomplished. If guns were banned today there are still over 200 million in circulation . Be realistic nobody is going to collect them or there would be end of days that most of the people on this site wants to see happen. People need someone to blame for whatever reason.
 5 years ago '07        #69
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 Los-O said:
You know.... there are 2 things that just happen to be present in every instance of car accidents.

1. People
2. Cars

Now, one of these things need to be banned.





I could go on and on. By your logic, we need to ban A LOT of things in society.
except your "logic" is deeply flawed, when using a car correctly, you wont hurt anyone. Guns are by design for hurting/killing.


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 5 years ago '07        #70
Ham Rove 3520 heat pts3520
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 FoShizzle8 said:
lets see


columbine had 2 shooters.this school had 1


sorry that 2 people with guns can k!ll 1 with one




also in all the storys about columbine i heard,none of them even mentioned the school having security in it.oh and if you wanna get on security,wasnt it brought out that james holmes specificly picked the theater he was gonna shoot up because of the fact its security sucked
lets see

you continue to speak out of your a.ss?

yep, nothing to see here folks.
 5 years ago '04        #71
psylence2k 59 heat pts59
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 StatisticZ said:
What's stupid is you keep claiming things as facts and statistics without any supporting documentation what-so-ever. If you prefer their route, go live there, send a postcard. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were written as they are for a reason. You can't pick and choose from a list of things that were set in place to provide a backbone for the ground you walk.

Which statistic do you need documentation for ?? because I have most of them on hand and can find the rest

and I love the whole " Oh you dont like this about America ?? Move " like this country hasn't been making constant progress and change for over 200 years despite that bullshyt mentality that wants to keep things stagnant. I'm sure there were idiots saying " Oh you dont like slavery ?? move then, you dont like segregation ? move " and no that's not comparing guns to slavery for those idiots who are gonna jump to that conclusion.

and also about this whole 2nd amendment thing , you guys do realize up until about 2006, the second amendment was actually interpreted like how it's actually written right ??

You know, where it says " a well-regulated militia ", you know back when the founding fathers lived with one shot muskets that took minutes to reload, what they had in mind was for each state to have it's own well regulated militia or the most comparable thing would be modern day state police forces.

a well regulated militia doesn't mean three gung-ho idiots rolling around in a dodge durango.

but instead of having common sense and being like " you know, this is what it actually says, a 'well-regulated militia' AND the context of when it was written also doesn't fit the crazy shyt that's going on today " , people are like " fu*kK YOU, SECOND AMENDMENT, GIVE ME MY DAMN GUNS !! ".


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 5 years ago '07        #72
Ham Rove 3520 heat pts3520
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 Fameus said:
Notice how quickly it became NRA vs. Anti Gun making it if you like guns you wanted this tragedy to happen. Lets be clear NOBODY has the answer. There is a discussion that needs to take place but when everyone is yelling NOBODY is listening. When your only in a conversation for your OWN agenda nothing is being accomplished. If guns were banned today there are still over 200 million in circulation . Be realistic nobody is going to collect them or there would be end of days that most of the people on this site wants to see happen. People need someone to blame for whatever reason.
no one who isn't an idiot is saying ban guns, like you pointed out, it would be impossible and imo counter productive, people should have the right to own a gun. but anytime you bring up limiting guns in any way shape or form these NRA propaganda fed gun nuts lose their mind. Any sort of limitation to them is akin to all out prohibition. The NRA f!ghts the sanest of gun laws (even laws supported by more than half of NRA members) are fought by the NRA. That is because the NRA is owned by the gun manufacturers, they don't care about safety. They care about selling guns. If that means guns getting in the hands of people who prob shouldn't have access to them, well tough t*tties i guess, we got money to be made here.


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 5 years ago '04        #73
WhoThaFuk 2 heat pts
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The NRA is full of sh*t.
 12-21-2012, 10:43 PM         #74
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 psylence2k said:
but instead of having common sense and being like " you know, this is what it actually says, a 'well-regulated militia' AND the context of when it was written also doesn't fit the crazy shyt that's going on today " , people are like " fu*kK YOU, SECOND AMENDMENT, GIVE ME MY DAMN GUNS !! ".
I agree the language is confusing but i believe the founding fathers intended to give individual gun rights to citizens, but that power was originally given from the states and not by the federal government. Thats why the original Pennsylvania constitution of 1776 specifically stated "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state." Its a state given right. Several states have similar things written in their constitutions. Obviously, the Bill of Rights came after the States had already given us the right to bear arms and the 2nd amendment I believe still reflects that right from the states.


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 5 years ago '04        #75
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NRA: Our guns will never be safe unless we allow them to carry little guns
 5 years ago '11        #76
SomeOnesoN 206 heat pts206
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Can't really compare guns to alcohol (reply to another post in this thread):

Driving is a Privilege
Owning a gun is a Right

Huge difference...
 5 years ago '04        #77
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Here's what I'm not understanding...

1. People will get guns illegally if they have to just like they get drugs when they want.

2. If there are stricter gun laws, how much stricter can they be? If I have the best background record and I own a gun, then my brother can take my gun and go on a shooting spree just like Lanza got his mother's guns. How do gun laws stop that?

3. Why are murder rates so bad here in Chicago when gun laws are real strict? You literally can't walk outside your door with a loaded gun anywhere in the state but we still have one of the largest murder rates. I guarantee 90% of the murders that involved a gun were with illegal guns.

I think if there were cops in every school, it wouldn't be a bad thing. If a person is willing to die shooting up a school, he'll do it no matter what. But if he's not willing to die, having cops there will prevent him from trying.

If there was any possible way to get all guns off the street and make it impossible for them to get into the united states, then fine that would probably work. But that's just not possible...guns will make it in here no matter what.
 5 years ago '08        #78
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just dropping in to say

dumbest sh*t this man could have said
 5 years ago '08        #79
EMER1TUS 11 heat pts11
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I thought buddy was about to get hit wit a shoe when he got interrupted like GWB did
 12-22-2012, 07:30 AM         #80
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tragedies make people easily persuaded. public always wants quick action too. play the images over and over and over, ingrain that sh*t into your skulls. by the time it wears off you done lost half your freedoms and started a few wars. maybe it wont go far this time but they want all those registered gun users off the streets. then all you got is illegal guns by the millions. then when they still shoot people you gonna want sweeps throughout your cities. in every home looking for guns.
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