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 12-13-2012, 11:59 AM         #1
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Jay-Z And Ma$e's Only 'Beef'? 'A Girl Named Arion'
 

 

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By Rob Markman (@RobMarkman) , with reporting by Sway Calloway (@realsway)

Jay-Z isn't just one of rap's greatest hit-makers; he's one of hip-hop's fiercest competitors too. Jigga's verbal joust with Nas went down in the history books, but God's Son wasn't his only opponent. Many fans would be surprised to learn that back in 1998, Jay and Ma$e were engaged in a subliminal battle, where each hurled disses, even if they never said each other's name. So what started the feud?

"A girl named Arion," Ma$e said when he appeared on "RapFix Live" on Wednesday as a part of MTV's "Big and Best of 2012." "All my beefs are over either some girl that went wrong."

Diehards may remember Arion from a skit off of Ma$e's 1997 debut Harlem World, where the two-timing rapper confuses the names of his girlfriends in a dizzying phone exchange. Well it seems Arion was more than just a character on the multiplatinum rap LP. According to Ma$e, she was a member of Hov's crew whom he had a fling with. The problem was, Arion's boyfriend was also a member of the Roc-A-Fella crew at the time, so Ma$e's transgressions didn't sit well with Hov, or his then partner Dame Dash. "I guess Jay inherited it because me and him never really had a problem," Ma$e explained. "He said something, I said something back and that was about it."

Ma$e made it very clear that both he and Jay are beyond their lyrical spat, but the backstory is still intriguing to rap fans today. On 112's 1998 single "Love Me," M-A-Dollar Sign tossed subtle, but fiery shots at the Brooklyn MC. "All we hear is platinum that, platinum this/ Platinum whips, nobody got no platinum hits," Ma$e spit, referencing his superior sales numbers at the time.

The jab went over the head of most rap fans, but not Hov, who responded with "Ride or Die" from his 1998 LP Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life. "You see the respect I get every time I come through/ Check ya own videos you'll always be #2," Jay shot back, making fun of Ma$e for playing second fiddle to Diddy in the "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down," video where he wore a baseball jersey with the number two on it, while Puff wore number one.

The beef eventually fizzled out, and Ma$e retired from rap the next year, but even now, 14 years later, Ma$e is in disbelief. "Do you believe that though? That was over a girl," he said in amazement.

"At that time I was ruling, so there wasn't really much to talk about," he continued. "I respect what he did, I still respect what he's doin' and that's it."


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 5 years ago '12        #2
thatsmygoat 5 heat pts
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dissing Jay will get you mased


Jay won
 5 years ago '04        #3
psylence2k 58 heat pts58
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So does this mean that story Jay spit about his girl making him stop to pick up a Ma$e album while in disguise is true ??


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 5 years ago '05        #4
CartelFamill 55 heat pts55
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Mase Ruled for 8 Months and then Jayz Took over the Game and Never looked back


Jayz and LL ? LL made Jayz Called him out then Proceeded to Roost his a.ss in front of Bunch of People
 5 years ago '12        #5
GoldRush 63 heat pts63
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thats a interesting read
 5 years ago '11        #6
ImInHerMouth 1 heat pts
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n*gga mase used the girl's real name lmao slimey a.ss harlem n*gga

but i'm confused, was mase fu*kin her when she was with jay's man? or was he fu*kin her before?


it's always cool to hear the stories behind these skits and lines tho
 5 years ago '09        #7
NLSP42 152 heat pts152
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 Crookz said:
I've always wondered what started this

Now if we can figure out what started the beef between jay and LL
Jay had battled LL back in the day and by Ty Ty's account Jay won (never confirmed though )

Then Jay and LL were never best of buds......but then when Jay was the president of Def Jam and LL was recording for a new album.....Jay didnt market it at all (back 06-07)....and really didnt care about the project at all......or LL......Jay was busy pushing other albums......LL took that as a diss....and since then LL was always jealous of Jays fame and fortune.....because LL thought it should have always been him in that spot
 5 years ago '10        #8
trill jackson 737 heat pts737
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what started it was a diss record made made that circulated in the hood and the thing that really made jay go in was when made said "everybody talking about platinum this and platinum that but they aint got no platinum hits and platinum plaques" rocafella was the only n*ggas with the platinum jewelry at the time
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Agentzer0oo0 209 heat pts209
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So it's finally cleared up

And Hov still got me for what he said on Ride Or Die:

"Always gotta be the weakest n*gga out the crew
I probably make more money off your album than you
Check your own videos, you'll always be number two
n*ggas talkin' real greasy on them R&B records
But I'm platinum a million times, n*gga, check the credits”
 5 years ago '10        #10
trill jackson 737 heat pts737
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i think the real origin of the ll jay thing started with jays uncle telling him you're sh*ts wack you aint never gonna be better than ll. that's the sh*t that made jay wanna battle him in the streets in the 1st place
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Agentzer0oo0 209 heat pts209
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 trill jackson said:
i think the real origin of the ll jay thing started with jays uncle telling him you're sh*ts wack you aint never gonna be better than ll. that's the sh*t that made jay wanna battle him in the streets in the 1st place


That's actually not a far off guess......
 12-13-2012, 05:17 PM         #12
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that platinum this/platinum whips but nobody got platinum hits line really hurt camels soul
 5 years ago '09        #13
Jacc Blacc 55 heat pts55
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mase stayed fukking people's chick, isnt that why he had to leave harlem, fukked some street dude's girl and he was trying to get mase bodied
 5 years ago '04        #14
murdahudawg 2 heat pts
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"S Carter Ghostwriter and for the right price I can even make yo sh*t tighter!"

But why n*ggas act like MA$E ain't fire back?

yall forgot the verse he spit on the song with 8ball and mysonne? What playas do?

LOL cmon man that battle was dope!
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dnycem 3 heat pts
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 murdahudawg said:
This tracked fu*kin bumped
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RubbahBandMayn 6 heat pts
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 murdahudawg said:
Forgot about this jam
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killababi 31 heat pts31
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 thatsmygoat said:
dissing Jay will get you mased


Jay won
Think that line is bout R.Kelly too
 12-14-2012, 06:56 AM         #19
dlettern  OP
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"All we hear is platinum that,
Platinum this,
Platinum whips,
Nobody got no platinum hits" - Mase
 5 years ago '07        #20
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 murdahudawg said:


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