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 12-14-2012, 10:39 AM         #101
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 psylence2k said:
You guys can't be phucking serious

Mayweather has fought his opponents at a hell of alot closer to their natural weight than Pacquiao has.

He didn't weight drain De La Hoya and Cotto the way Pacquiao did. He fought them at Light Middleweight while Pacquiao made De La Hoya f!ght at Welterweight and Cotto at a catch weight.

Mayweather fought Mosley after he knocked out Margarito the same time Roach refused to let Manny f!ght Mosley because he was "too good", so he waited til Mosley fell off and fought him. If that isn't blatantly cherry picking then I dont know what is.

and he's always respected Cotto for his character, the whole period leading up to the f!ght you could tell that he admired the way he carried himself. You could tell there was a great mutual respect BEFORE the f!ght. WTF are you talking about ?



Manny weight drained De La Hoya
fought Cotto and Margarito at catchweights
avoided Mosley til he fell off
and ran from a blood test for over 2 years.


close the fu*kin thread!!!
 5 years ago '12        #102
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 p00rky said:
I don't think Pac will recover from that punch. I bet he's going to be a lot more cautious in the ring
Definitely.


This Mayweather/Pacquiao war going on in this thread is fu*king ridiculous though..

They seem to take away everything that Manny has accomplished based off of one fu*king punch that happened to knock him out. I'm not taking anything from Marquez, that was a perfect counter by all aspects, but people are trash talking Manny like he wasn't controlling the f!ght all the way up to that point(beisdes the 3rd round). The 3rd f!ght between then wasn't a robbery.. it might've been if Marquez didn't back up the last two rounds and cruise through them like he was already winning.. The second f!ght, that knockut was the real difference. And again, the knockdowns were the real difference in the 1st f!ght, but I agree with the draw.

Manny could've been more aggressive during the Bradley f!ght, Bradley had a steady jab going that was giving him points. I still think THAT f!ght was a robbery, but Bradley had more rounds than people think/thought.
 5 years ago '05        #103
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Man up Manny , what about all those families u knocked out ?

His chick should support him by not crying and making him feel like a bi*ch...

He is a boxer and boxers get knocked out..
 5 years ago '09        #104
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 Storchaveli said:


Marquez took his soul with that vicious counter.
Manny has an entire country on his back, he feels as if he let them down thats why he is upset.
 5 years ago '05        #105
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"on the tube i'm just watching pacquiao box 'em up"
 5 years ago '12        #106
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 The Utmost said:
"on the tube i'm just watching pacquiao box 'em up"
 5 years ago '04        #107
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 WMYakballzWM said:
ignorant fu*ks, they treat manny like a god in the philippines. He thinks he let his people and family down. of course you'll get emotional. stupid ignorant fu*king tards
and thats why i'm happy he lost, fukk him and them

for god's sake they wanna ban bieber becuz he posted a meme in instagram, how lame is that?

now they can shut up when it comes to boxing

long live floyd
 5 years ago '05        #108
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 RustyLorcin said:
How can you call a top level boxer a fraud? I'm in the Gym 3-4 times a week training and it totally destroys me physically just training a few hours a week. Manny trains 8 hours a day continuously. Just by having the BALLS to follow his drive and do what he loves commands respect.


All this Manny haters are mostly African Americans that use boxing as some weird way of propping up their ego, Dudes that are in the GYM know that boxing is all about styles. Floyd beating Marquez is in no way representative of what will happen if Floyd f!ghts Manny it doesn't work that way.

Leonard beat the sh*t out of out Hearns.
Hearns destroyed Duran.
Duran was the reason Leonard needed plastic surgery to fix the skin hanging off his eyebrow from the beating he took on their 1st f!ght.


All you dudes calling Manny a fraud are a bunch of couch potatoes, and I still think Manny would be Floyds toughest f!ght in his whole career even after 2 consecutive losses, Actually the Manny we saw up until the knock out will have a field day against Floyd and his shoulder roll defense, actually the shoulder roll will be neutralized and Floyd will be forced to f!ght.

Southpaw with power, speed, precision and high work rate it's a dangerous combination against right handed f!ghters that f!ght out of the shoulder roll. The last time Floyd fought someone with that combination he was loosing the f!ght all the way up until the middle rounds against Judah before Judah gave up half way into the f!ght like usual. A prime Judah is definitely no where in the league in skills of Manny (even with his decline).
Shut ya dumbass up. Leonard made Duran quit the 2nd time they fought.

On top of that, this idiot said Manny could neutralize the shoulder roll. How? By punching wildly? You see what happened when he does that.
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Haha^^
 5 years ago '09        #110
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 psylence2k said:
You guys can't be phucking serious

Mayweather has fought his opponents at a hell of alot closer to their natural weight than Pacquiao has.

He didn't weight drain De La Hoya and Cotto the way Pacquiao did. He fought them at Light Middleweight while Pacquiao made De La Hoya f!ght at Welterweight and Cotto at a catch weight.
DLH dragged Pac up two divisions lol. Manny had no bargaining power. DLH was still the cash king. DLH tried to cherry pick a smaller guy and got his a.ss whipped. Pac deserves praise, not hate.

Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey in his previous fu*king f!ght. 1 lb...Really? That was the difference between Pac making Cotto run like a bi*ch or it being competitive?

Mayweather fought Mosley after he knocked out Margarito the same time Roach refused to let Manny f!ght Mosley because he was "too good", so he waited til Mosley fell off and fought him. If that isn't blatantly cherry picking then I dont know what is.
Mosley was coming off the longest layoff in his career when he fought Floyd. He was a shot f!ghter. Couldn't pull the trigger, except once. Manny fought a worse version of Shane, only because we knew he was shot after Mayweather.





Manny weight drained De La Hoya- No he didn't
fought Cotto and Margarito at catchweights-The Margarito f!ght was a disgrace, but the Cotto f!ght was legit.
avoided Mosley til he fell off-He had already fallen off when Floyd fought him.
and ran from a blood test for over 2 years.-Floyd made up blood tests to duck the f!ght. Absolutely no proof of Manny being on anything.

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 xRapHeadx said:
Floyd made up blood tests to duck the f!ght. Absolutely no proof of Manny being on anything.
I can't believe this dude said Floyd made up some tests.

I guess you haven't noticed that Floyd has been doing Olympic style testing since his f!ght with Mosley.
 5 years ago '10        #112
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 Jimmy Breaux said:
And he dominated Marquez who ended up knocking the sh*t of Pacroid.

Sit down.
the money team >>>>>
 5 years ago '04        #113
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 xRapHeadx said:
DLH dragged Pac up two divisions lol. Manny had no bargaining power. DLH was still the cash king. DLH tried to cherry pick a smaller guy and got his a.ss whipped. Pac deserves praise, not hate.

Cotto weighed 146 against Clottey in his previous fu*king f!ght. 1 lb...Really? That was the difference between Pac making Cotto run like a bi*ch or it being competitive?



Mosley was coming off the longest layoff in his career when he fought Floyd. He was a shot f!ghter. Couldn't pull the trigger, except once. Manny fought a worse version of Shane, only because we knew he was shot after Mayweather.
regardless of negotiations and who had what control (because neither one of us know exactly how much each wanted the f!ght)

dropping down 20 lbs when you're past your prime is way more detrimental than going up 20 lbs when you're still young

Judging off the De La Hoya f!ght and everything after Manny's body was able to handle the weight gain ( whether naturally or unnaturally ) as he for some weird reason was able to not only maintain his speed and accuracy but also his stamina. You could obviously see that Manny's body adapted very well ( with a little a.ssistance , who knows ? )

No young "elite" f!ghter should get credit for whooping De La Hoya who is not only at the end of his career but ALSO almost 15 lbs lighter than his "normal" weight.

He couldn't even phucking make it around the running track and had to be rehydrated with an IV. Even Roach said De La Hoya destroyed his body trying to make weight.

Anyone trying to make it seem that De La Hoya wasn't in HORRIBLE and probably the worst condition in his career when he fought Manny is delusional.


It doesn't matter how bad you think Mosley was, He wasn't bad enough to make Pacquiao accept a f!ght, he ran, there's no way around that. Mayweather fought Mosley in a condition that Manny's team was too scarred to.

So why is Mayweather portrayed as more chicken than Manny when he's f!ghting the f!ghters Manny is running away from because as his own trainer said they're "too good" ??

Also if Shane is a "shot" f!ghter at that stage like you said (even though his only loss in five years was to Cotto at that point). Then what does that make Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, and Margarito ??? Manny racked up W's against "shot" f!ghters.

and you dont know for sure why Floyd asked for a blood test but you're gonna a.ssume it was to run ?? If so then why didn't he just say no to that crazy list of demands from Team Pacquiao like glove sizes, ring sizes, overweight penalties ?? He agreed to all of that. but the one thing he wanted, the one thing that alot of the boxing world is suspicious about, the one thing all of Mayweather's opponents since have gladly agreed to doing, a simple blood test. Manny couldn't do. I think it's obvious who was running.


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 12-14-2012, 04:50 PM         #114
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 Y.G. said:
I can't believe this dude said Floyd made up some tests.

I guess you haven't noticed that Floyd has been doing Olympic style testing since his f!ght with Mosley.


Mosley was the f!ght Floyd took after negotiations with Manny basically broke down the first time.

The main talking point was, Floyd's ducking Pacquiao by demanding random drug testing. There's no public knowledge of him demanding it before. No sh*t he's been doing it "since the Mosley f!ght". He had no choice but to be consistent with the demand.
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 psylence2k said:
regardless of negotiations and who had what control (because neither one of us know exactly how much each wanted the f!ght)

dropping down 20 lbs when you're past your prime is way more detrimental than going up 20 lbs when you're still young
DLH has all the bargaining power. He was the biggest draw in the sport. You can't even argue that Pac could force him down in weight.

Yes, and he shouldn't have tried to cherrypick a smaller man.


Judging off the De La Hoya f!ght and everything after Manny's body was able to handle the weight gain ( whether naturally or unnaturally ) as he for some weird reason was able to not only maintain his speed and accuracy but also his stamina. You could obviously see that Manny's body adapted very well ( with a little a.ssistance , who knows ? )
He didn't gain any weight. He stopped sweating down.

Manny in 2006


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Manny in 2008


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No young "elite" f!ghter should get credit for whooping De La Hoya who is not only at the end of his career but ALSO almost 15 lbs lighter than his "normal" weight.
He should get credit for taking up the challenge and performing marvelously. Pac was an enormous underdog in that f!ght. Many thought it was a joke f!ght and sh*tted on Oscar for it. Don't try to rewrite history.
He couldn't even phucking make it around the running track and had to be rehydrated with an IV. Even Roach said De La Hoya destroyed his body trying to make weight.
Then why did DLH choose to f!ght a guy 3 weights lower? lmfao
Anyone trying to make it seem that De La Hoya wasn't in HORRIBLE and probably the worst condition in his career when he fought Manny is delusional.
He was in horrible shape, but it was his own damn fault for trying to cherrypick a smaller man.

It doesn't matter how bad you think Mosley was, He wasn't bad enough to make Pacquiao accept a f!ght, he ran, there's no way around that. Mayweather fought Mosley in a condition that Manny's team was too scarred to.
Mosley was a shot f!ghter when Floyd fought him. Jittery, slow, inactive. Mayweather gets more credit because no one knew Mosley was shot before that f!ght. Manny cherrypicked Mosley as an easy payday. Still was an old and well worn Shane.

So why is Mayweather portrayed as more chicken than Manny when he's f!ghting the f!ghters Manny is running away from because as his own trainer said they're "too good" ??
Mayweather is portrayed as a chicken, because he ducked the f!ght. He's thrown roadblock after roadblock to making the f!ght.

Also if Shane is a "shot" f!ghter at that stage like you said (even though his only loss in five years was to Cotto at that point). Then what does that make Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya, and Margarito ??? Manny racked up W's against "shot" f!ghters.
DLH was shot, but not Cotto and Hatton, who could both still pull the trigger. I don't think you understand what a shot f!ghter is, but ok.


and you dont know for sure why Floyd asked for a blood test but you're gonna a.ssume it was to run ??
He had never asked for blood tests before, but he asks for them when a special f!ghter is around his weight? Can you explain the change in philosophy?


If so then why didn't he just say no to that crazy list of demands from Team Pacquiao like glove sizes, ring sizes, overweight penalties ?? He agreed to all of that. but the one thing he wanted, the one thing that alot of the boxing world is suspicious about, the one thing all of Mayweather's opponents since have gladly agreed to doing, a simple blood test. Manny couldn't do. I think it's obvious who was running.
You don't know for sure that Pac's team even demanded those. That's just what Floyd says, and he's been known to lie.

Past Mayweather opponents had no bargaining power. Manny is a legitimate TV and gate draw, and could make 20M+ not f!ghting him. He didn't have to give in to anything. Mosley and Ortiz are B sides, guys who will never do big numbers as the main attraction. Cotto was running out of big payday options and took the testing.
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 UrbanEnterprise said:


how many boxers can "carefully select" their opponents and still be 43-0

don't worry i'll wait
Carefully selecting opponents is a big part of boxing. Sorry you had to wait so long for this knowledge to be kicked your way
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People can laugh at manny but hes a man at the end of the day he takes care of his family and he will be more successful than any of you keyboard k!llers
 12-14-2012, 06:51 PM         #119
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 p00rky said:
Tyson asked Holyfield for the same test after the first f!ght. No one complainied. JMM beat PAC and ppl thought he is on roids. JMM asks for the same test May asked for. No issues but when May asks for it... OMG he's ducking...
and that relates to what I said... how?
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 xRapHeadx said:
DLH has all the bargaining power. He was the biggest draw in the sport. You can't even argue that Pac could force him down in weight.

Yes, and he shouldn't have tried to cherrypick a smaller man.




He didn't gain any weight. He stopped sweating down.

Manny in 2006


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Manny in 2008


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He should get credit for taking up the challenge and performing marvelously. Pac was an enormous underdog in that f!ght. Many thought it was a joke f!ght and sh*tted on Oscar for it. Don't try to rewrite history.

Then why did DLH choose to f!ght a guy 3 weights lower? lmfao

He was in horrible shape, but it was his own damn fault for trying to cherrypick a smaller man.



Mosley was a shot f!ghter when Floyd fought him. Jittery, slow, inactive. Mayweather gets more credit because no one knew Mosley was shot before that f!ght. Manny cherrypicked Mosley as an easy payday. Still was an old and well worn Shane.


Mayweather is portrayed as a chicken, because he ducked the f!ght. He's thrown roadblock after roadblock to making the f!ght.



DLH was shot, but not Cotto and Hatton, who could both still pull the trigger. I don't think you understand what a shot f!ghter is, but ok.



He had never asked for blood tests before, but he asks for them when a special f!ghter is around his weight? Can you explain the change in philosophy?




You don't know for sure that Pac's team even demanded those. That's just what Floyd says, and he's been known to lie.

Past Mayweather opponents had no bargaining power. Manny is a legitimate TV and gate draw, and could make 20M+ not f!ghting him. He didn't have to give in to anything. Mosley and Ortiz are B sides, guys who will never do big numbers as the main attraction. Cotto was running out of big payday options and took the testing.
You're saying the same thing over and over again and trying to doge the main points.

1. De La Hoya making a dumbass decision to agree to f!ght way below a healthy weight is his own fault, no shyt , nobody is arguing against that. That doesn't make Manny's win impressive though. You can keep saying " Well De La Hoya agreed this , De La Hoya agreed to that " , Okay, an athlete making a stupid decision due to their competitive nature and money hunger, What's new ??

All of that is besides the point that Manny's win was far from impressive , De La Hoya being stupid doesn't make Manny a better boxer. Manny whooped a De La Hoya who was in horribe as shyt condition. That's the bottom line.

and that picture only hurts your argument, meaning Manny committed to a weight he usually already weighs in at, not much of an adjustment , to someone whose normal weight is around 15 pounds heavier.

2. Mosley was shot ?? but nobody knew but you right ?? So when did everyone else realize that he was shot ?? When Mayweather mopped the floor with him ?? Okay once again , you're going off on irrelevant tangents, the main point is, Manny ran, Floyd stepped up. So who was the chicken in that situation ??

3. Only demands that Mayweather wanted was a blood test and a bigger cut. He's always stood by those demands, the real problem is Manny flip flopping saying " no blood tests" in negotiations, then once negotiations are over he's on some " Oh yea I'll do a blood test" , He's the one that said " I'll take a lot less money because I f!ght for the people" in one interview, then when it's time to negotiate he's on some " I want 50/50 "

4. Pac's team did demand those terms and they said it themselves, Roach, Arum, Michael Koncz (his advisor) , and Michael Gaca (his lawyer) all talked about them dictating the glove size, weight class, ring size, and weight penalty fees.

5. Mayweather's opponents took the test because they were clean f!ghters, If Manny was a clean f!ghter and wanted this f!ght so badly, why did he have a problem with taking a blood test for so long ?? Honestly all boxers should be blood tested IMO, in a sport with a history of PED'd f!ghters that requires you to smash each others heads in , it should be the first sport on the list for required blood testing, and for people to defend a f!ghter who flip flops from no blood testing to 28 days to 14 days then walks away from negotiations and THEN says he'll do no cut off is ridiculous.


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